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They mention the lowest of the three Audyssey versions........MultEQ...........then comes MultEQ XT, MultEQ XT32.


I would expect them to ship with what they have said............. MultEQ.
Highly unlikely.

The M15 came with MultEQ XT so they won't downgrade. That'd be utter stupidity.
They can still just name it MultEQ in their early marketing material - it's simply what version we are unaware of as of yet.
 

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They mention the lowest of the three Audyssey versions........MultEQ...........then comes MultEQ XT, MultEQ XT32.


I would expect them to ship with what they have said............. MultEQ.
Too bad also no ATMOS and only 7 channels!!
 

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I am wondering should I wait for the NAD M27 or go for the Parasound A51
Wondering how anyone could possibly answer that for you?
Perhaps wait til the M27 is out, for possible reviews and/or owners feedback to get an idea.
 

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Too bad also no ATMOS and only 7 channels!!
I for one am glad about that :)
NAD seldom seem to cater for excessive surround algorithms.
 

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I am currently looking to replace my Krell Showcase 7 amp. I am under the impression the M25 is a Class A amp but cant find that info. Isnt going from a Class A amp to a Class D amp a downgrade in sound quality in openess, definition and seperation?

Class D has been making a strong come on. Are we at a point where digital and Class A, A/b are now creating 2 tiers of top end amps with the older tech Class A becoming the cream of the crop? Benefit of Class D is less heat generated so you can put more power in a smaller box without the heat penalty of Class Amp circuitry.

Very tough choice, new M27 or a new, discontinued M25

Which one sounds better!?!?!?
 

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^ Sadly no one can tell you that yet since the M27 is not out.

I believe from my own experience that certain Class-D technologies have made huge leaps in quality of reproduction. Sadly Class-D have had a bad rep but I think much of that might be unjustified these days. But as always it depends on your personal taste and preferences. My current Primare A30.7 amp is an in-house Primare solution that sounds amazingly powerful, lively and transparent but with a Class-A 'character' of sorts. Not harsh, not bright, just well-balanced.

I reckon you'll have to wait and simply compare the M27 and/or M25 with your current Krell and decide.
 

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I am currently looking to replace my Krell Showcase 7 amp. I am under the impression the M25 is a Class A amp but cant find that info. Isnt going from a Class A amp to a Class D amp a downgrade in sound quality in openess, definition and seperation?
M25 is a Class AB amp. A Class A multichannel power amplifier would be rare rare thing, and a monster. :D Without something like the Krell's iBias system to dynamically adjust the bias current, that is. E.g. the recently mentioned Parasound A51 is also just a Class AB amp, but the bias current (8 W) for pure Class A operation is somewhat higher than usual for Class AB designs. And FYI, if the M25 where to be class A amp, it would heat your room with at least 2.2 kW (160 W * 7 * 2 [because class A is max. 50% efficient]).

Anyway, the M25 is somewhat warm sounding amp (like Parasound), so one might expect the M27 to be a little bit more forward/sharper/edgier product. (Of course when purely speculatively considering.)
 

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^^^^

I think that the total input power to the M25 would be 2.2 kW and the room heating load would be half of that with the energy sent to the speakers as being the other half assuming 50% efficiency.

Still 1.1 kW is still a pretty good heating load as if on for one hour then that's almost 0.3 ton of air conditioner load. Fortunately I don't think any multichannel amp runs all channels loaded ever as I can't think of anything I've seen in my HT that drives all channels to max simultaneously.
 

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The 2.2 kW was just something off-the-cuff. And the heating load being in the regular case when the speakers are generally only driven by very few Watts.
 

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I've seen mention of a Sept. 1, 2014 release date for the M17 and M27 in a few of the online blogs. Anyone heard if it may hit this month as there is still nothing new on the website?
 

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I just got a response back from NAD that they began shipping the M17 and 27 to the U.S. two weeks ago. My local dealer hasn't received their demo units yet but I'll put a deposit down to get on the list. Can't wait.
 

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^^ Not sure, but I pinged Saturday Audio Exchange, which is local for me, and they have their M22 (two channel version of the M27) set up in one of their rooms, and got a demo version of the M27 in a few days ago. I'm going to swing by there with some demo material either tomorrow night or Saturday. Does anybody have any specific questions I should look into beyond the "when will it be available" kind?
 

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^^ Not sure, but I pinged Saturday Audio Exchange, which is local for me, and they have their M22 (two channel version of the M27) set up in one of their rooms, and got a demo version of the M27 in a few days ago. I'm going to swing by there with some demo material either tomorrow night or Saturday. Does anybody have any specific questions I should look into beyond the "when will it be available" kind?
Stuart, take a photo of the internals, if they'll let you. This will tell us definitively if they're using Hypex UcD or nCore modules.
 

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Stuart, take a photo of the internals, if they'll let you. This will tell us definitively if they're using Hypex UcD or nCore modules.

I'll ask nicely if I can do a photo, but I very much doubt they'll let me. More likely they'll tell me they'll ask their NAD rep what Hypex module is being used, but there's no harm in trying.
 

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I'll ask nicely if I can do a photo, but I very much doubt they'll let me. More likely they'll tell me they'll ask their NAD rep what Hypex module is being used, but there's no harm in trying.
I hear you, though you'd be amazed at what I've gotten dealers to do, when asked nicely.;)
 

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I hear you, though you'd be amazed at what I've gotten dealers to do, when asked nicely.;)
What's the over/under they'll ultimately refer back to the white paper upthread (8/3)? It IS called NAD and NCore, and refers to both new Masters Series amps. You're quite a cynic, Ken...
 

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My local dealer says he just recieved an M17 and M27 and will be displaying them starting next week.

He said the M17 processor does NOT have Audyssey MultEQ XT32 like most of us hoped for, even assumed.
NAD have refused to answer my many inquiries on this topic.

Still cannot for the life of me understand why they stick to subpar XT and not the latest XT32. Stupid. Real stupid. Bet they'll keep excusing this by saying "...oh, but there might be an MDC module with XT32 in the future". Right - like there was for the M15! :rolleyes:

For this blunder alone the M17 processor is a joke!
 

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It also appears that they got rid of the THX badge. Seems like more and more companies aren't willing to pay THX anymore and rather live on their own branding.
 
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