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Nashional Theater Project

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Hello everyone. I've been lurking here for a while (i.e. years!), but now it's time for me to build my first home theater!


We're going to build an addition that consists of a three-car garage. Above it will be a 16 X 38 bonus room. 16 X 16 will be for my office and the rest for the theater which should give me about 16 X 22 (the depth can change up until they start to finish the top floor).


Attached is an image of the shape of the room if standing from the back. Is there anything I need to be careful of with a room that has angled walls like this?


I'll try to attach a floor plan when I can draw one up (I'm no Michelangelo ).
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Here's the final design I received yesterday (before shopping for builders).
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Originally Posted by NashTech /forum/post/14111197


Is there anything I need to be careful of with a room that has angled walls like this?

That you can fit the screen size you desire at a high enough position so that if you do a 2nd row of seating that the riser doesn't have to be too tall.
The width at the ceiling is 104". So I think I can squeeze a 100" screen in that space? Is this possible?


And larger if I came down a few inches....

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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC /forum/post/14111373


That you can fit the screen size you desire at a high enough position so that if you do a 2nd row of seating that the riser doesn't have to be too tall.

This is a good point on the screen but if I can remember way back to geometry classes I think your dimensions would leave you at a minumum of about 104" at the ceiling level which would get you a pretty sizable screen for the room.


Is this going to be completely finished by your builder now based upon your wiring plan or are you just getting it rough wired for now and finishing later? If you are getting it finished, I would be concerned that there doesn't seem to be any provisions for your equipment. Extra electrical for components, boxes/conduit for cable/wire runs, etc.
The wiring in the drawing is just the basics and ceiling lighting. I'm going to pull all the system cables myself (IT professional), but will have an electrician complete the necessary outlets as we get into the project.


The closet outside the room is for the AV equipment.
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NashTech,

You and I have a very similar profile room (nearly same dimensions). I'm building a theater in my attic and plan to have a 120" screen. Good luck with the build! I'm doing everything myself and it's hot as hell up there!



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I just read your build thread (and bookmarked it too). I'm probably a couple of months away from breaking ground, if everything else goes well and the builders bids are in line.


I'll be keeping an eye on your progress.
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I already built your theater minus raised cloud ceiling!
Link to thread

Might I suggest a door on the backside of your presumably A/V closet. Maybe make the closet a little deeper too so you can store misc A/V stuff behind your equipment and maybe a fan pointing into your office to circulate the air away from the a/v rack.

Here are some things to not forget:

-smurftubes

-outlet for ropelight in soffit

-ir control wires for lighting & A/V

-sound treatments on walls ceilings and 45s as they will be an extra reflection point

- what I'd do differently

-stage and riser by the builder (they will probably overcharge but can be build by you)


Have any equipment choices yet?
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Thanks for the link malovich.


The whole closet thing will probably change since I realized a little while ago that I don't have any closets in the office. So I'll probably have one on either side of the entrance door which would make a short hallway before going in to the theater.


The theater itself should have two rows of chairs with a walkway along the right (or left) wall and at least a 100" screen.


I've had "surround sound" for at least a decade and I've had a lot of equipment. Right now, I have some very nice Polks LR&C with a Velodyne powered sub all pushed by a Onkyo SR-805 (which I just got a couple of weeks ago and sounds awesome compared to my $1,400 Yamaha that's just a few years old). I also have a PS3 for BR and an xBox 360 and Wii will be in here too.


I'm thinking the screen may be too big for gaming and regular TV watching, so I'm toying with a retractable screen with a 60" or so behind it. Currently I have the Sony A3000 60" DLP which I really like.


Due to my current setup in a vaulted living room (and hardwood floors -- can you say echo!), I have some cheezy surround speakers (still they're Polk), but the SR-805 made everything come alive! But I'll need rear and side surrounds, which I haven't decided on. I can't imagine what this system will sound like in a purpose-built room if it sounds this good now.


So really I have everything except the projector and screen and good surrounds. And these won't be purchased until we get near the end of the build (who knows what the next best thing will be in a few months
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I have a bonus room upstairs that has a similar layout to yours. I will be watching your build closely! My plan was to incorporate a 120" CIH 2.35:1 screen and I had less "ceiling" width than you, but more wall height on the short walls. But I also only planned on one row of seating and using bar stools for overflow behind that row.


One thing you might consider doing is using the short walls along the side of the room for your equipment rack, rather than the closet at the back. Have an access (dwarf door) door in the office area that would lead behind the rack for wiring.


Good luck with the build.
In2Photos, I thought about putting the equipment on the short wall, but my concern was that it will be harder to temperature control since the back of it will be in the attic, and that may make ventilation harder. It it's on the back wall, then it can vent into the office. The theater door can be a solid door or glass and then put a door in the office that's louvered so everything can breath.


The office and theater will have it's own HVAC system, probably one of those smaller Mitts systems that go above the door. Each room will have it's own thermostat.
Let's look at a list of things you need to consider (the builder certainly hasn't or won't).


- Lights...typical poor job. Either all the lights are on or they are all off. Yeah, you can dim; but, still, all on or all off. Use two or three circuits.


- HVAC...will the builder install both supplies and returns in the room? Likely he's only planned for a supply or two. You'll need in the area of 9000 BTU's of cooling in that room with two supplies in the front and two returns in the rear (no more than 250 FPM per supply/return) I don't care about the CFM...that's the HVAC suppliers problem ... I care about the FPM. Remember...that room has a ceiling, three walls and a floor over against non-conditioned space...even more heating/cooling requirements.


- Will you have access to the attic on either side of the room for cable chases?


- Adequate power to your equipment and projector locations. Reclining theater seats? Need power in the floor for them.


- You have a 45 degree ceiling angle on boths sides for the entire length of the room ... really bad for sound. Plan on treatments!


Just quick thoughts off the top of my head.
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Originally Posted by NashTech /forum/post/14111548


The width at the ceiling is 104". So I think I can squeeze a 100" screen in that space? Is this possible?


And larger if I came down a few inches....

I set up my projector and PS3 last night. Projected a 140" (2.4:1 ration) video onto some bed sheets. It's probably to big, but here's a picture of it:

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Originally Posted by NashTech /forum/post/14115414


In2Photos, I thought about putting the equipment on the short wall, but my concern was that it will be harder to temperature control since the back of it will be in the attic, and that may make ventilation harder. It it's on the back wall, then it can vent into the office. The theater door can be a solid door or glass and then put a door in the office that's louvered so everything can breath.


The office and theater will have it's own HVAC system, probably one of those smaller Mitts systems that go above the door. Each room will have it's own thermostat.

Temperature control should not be an issue if you build the rack correctly. I will be building my in the wall with the back of the rack in the attic storage area. The rack will be built from 3/4 ply and there will be two rear panels, one that has been notched for wires to come through and the other to completely cover the back of the rack. The rack will vent into the room as the front will be completely open. The 3/4 ply will be insulated with standard insulation from inside the attic. This should be no worse than drywall with insulation.


I already have the materials purchased to build it but there are other projects to do first (baby on the way!).
Thanks for the tips Dennis. I'll be sure to address them while interviewing potential builders.
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine /forum/post/14115632



- You have a 45 degree ceiling angle on boths sides for the entire length of the room ... really bad for sound. Plan on treatments!

Please explain what NashTech and I need to do for treatment. Why are the angled ceilings bad for sound?


Thanks,

Matt
With a little geometry, you'll begin to see the problem

If you have a speaker located at, say 4' above the floor in a room with 8' ceilings, sound from the speaker, hitting the wall above the 4' level, will reflect upward, eventually to the ceiling and thence elsewhere (like a Q ball).


With the angled ceiling, the reflected sounds are now reflected directly back into the seating locations. Thus, you'll need to incorporate diffusion and absorption on the angled portion of the ceiling to reduce direct, early reflections, into the seating area.
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So, I borrowed the garage from the wife and with blue paint tape masked out what the theater room will be shaped like (attached image).


The measurements I've come with up will take 2 feet from either side of the room to allow clear headroom when walking for those up to 6'2". So that leaves 12' of usable width.


If I allow 28" of walking space on either side, that leaves me with 88" for the maximum seating width. There's not a lot of seating that would fit in this in space that I could find during my short search online, but I can probably go a little wider if needed. Does this sound feasible? Any recommended seats or seating arrangements for this?


I plan for one side to be at floor level and the rear row will have a step to a raised platform for that row. The step will be accessible from the front and rear of the theater.


I should have one row of three seats 11'+/- from the screen. It would also be 8' from the side surrounds and 9' from the rear surrounds. This seems to put the middle seat here in a prime listening position.



However, anyone sitting to the right or left of center will be 5'6" from one side surround and 10'6" from the other surround. I really don't have a way to test this, but assuming I use a good dipole/bipole speaker placed at the walls just before the wall angles to the ceiling (4'4" from the floor at the top of the speaker), would the side they're sitting next to overpower them for surrounds, or should it still sound somewhat normal since they are sitting to that one side?


I look forward to any answers and help. Better to figure out all of this now instead of after it's built and doesn't work right
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LOL. I have done EXACTLY the same thing. Gotta love the blue tape...I mean the wonderful theater screen markup equipment...


Great progress on the build.


CJ
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