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I'm going to keep this relatively short for now - I have to get back in there and ENJOY some more DVDs.

This panel is AMAZING.


I have not seen ANYTHING like this from any other plasma display. Blacks are pure, rich and.... well, BLACK! JET BLACK!!! Shadow detail is not on par with my CRT projector, but is definitely better than any other plasma I've seen - I can see black buttons on a black suit *in shadow* on Seabiscuit. And somebody watch the beginning of The Matrix - where Trinity is being chased across the rooftops by the agent... can YOU tell that her leather undershirt has vertical lines in it??? I can! And I've never noticed that before. Black levels and shadow detail are better than any LCD or DLP projector I've seen with the exception of the latest offering from Marantz. Detail is scarcely to be believed - my wife and I keep pointing out things that we've never noticed before! (She is absolutely THRILLED!)


All the lousy artifacts that I've grown so accustomed to are simply non-existent on this panel. Posterization is non-existent and text is crisp with no edge noise. Even the halos around Marlin and Coral (in the beginning of Finding Nemo) are so subtle that you actually have to LOOk for them. (In fact, after watching that scene, I stopped and said, "HEY! What happened to the halos?! I had to rewind and watch very closely in order to see them at all.) Flesh tones are VERY realistic and lifelike and overall, the color on this thing has to be seen to be believed. In I've just been sitting there, watching scene after scene with a big, sloppy grin on my face and saying, "DID YOU *SEE* THAT?!?!"


Thus far, we've sampled several DVDs, all via a JVC prog-scan DVD player, and I'm happy to pay this panel the ultimate compliment - it has made the source media the weak link in the chain. We're now watching Seabiscuit - the best looking DVD we own (or that I have ever seen) and the picture is SO rich, SO detailed, SO wonderful that it makes apaprent the shortcomings in so many of our other DVDs. Oh, well... all in all, not a bad problem to have! :)


All in all, this is one of the most satisfying, rewarding audio/video purchases I've ever made. I'm going back to enjoy it some more. I'll post back later after I've connected a different sourec (probably DirecTiVo - can't wait to see how SD looks!)
 

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Thanks for the review! Sounds like you're having a lot of fun with your new "toy".


Curious to know what DVD player you have and how it's connected to the NEC?
 

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cool -cough pictures- i'm glad that -cough pictures- you're enjoying -cough pictures- the new plasm -cough pictures- a!!!


i can see you just -cough pictures- watching dvd's on -cough pictures- it all night long!!!


it is -cough pictures- the weekend, after all :) enjoy! whee! someday.. i too will have a high quality plasma set.. :cool:
 

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Man, you aren't making it easy for me to save money and wait a little while longer to pick up my 42MX2/S! My credit card is melting! My home theater is sitting loneley since I returned my samsung 50" DLP.....MUST CONTINUE TO SAVE MONEY! :eek:


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What about standard TV viewing? Yeah, I realize that most all HDTVs, regardless of type, don't display cable TV as well as a direct view CRT. I was just curious if the 42MX2 did a decent job with typical, non-HD cable channels.
 

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googly is right we need pictures of this, i am interested in the 50mx3 so please show me what yours can do, i guess the 12 bit processing is not hype or rumor, but true!! good job NEC and congratulations on your TV.


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I don't see why you get the impression that GooglyBear wants to see pictures. It does sound like he needs to take some NyQuil tonight for that nasty cough, though. Get well, dude.

:)


Elvis

It doesn't sound like you'll be leaving the building any time soon. Congratulations and happy plasma watching!
 

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Elvis,


Glad to see a "BIG Plasma Smile" on your face. Please do feed us more when you get the chance.


The moral of the story is - Yes you can get a entry Plasma alot cheaper, but for the best picture possible, it is going to cost you a bit more.


Happy Plasma-ing!:)


Dave
 

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try Gladiator ! just saw it tonight and guess what, I continue to be amazed, after now more than a month. Don't worry about SD, you will be disappointed, but that is at least what I expected.

Enjoy! glad you to hear you are happy.


Edit: I mean, disappointed is a relative idea here, that is, compared to dvd's and hd broadcast (the real one like Discovery, not the half HD that I get on ABC, CBS with those f****g nightmare bars !)
 

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Well, after sampling our way through Pirates of the Caribbean, Finding Nemo, The Matrix, LOTR 1, Seabiscuit (extended sample - GORGEOUS!), Shrek, Alien (AWESOME remaster) and Monsters, Inc., we settled in to watch Pearl Harbor. (We've owned this for months but have never gotten around to watching the whole thing... and we *still* haven't!) We made it through the 1st disc, then my wife went to bed while I fired up the HTPC to check out HD. It was OUTSTANDING! Once again, no plasma I've yet seen has looked quite this good. There's something about the way this thing handles color... Colors are so rich and vibrant and TRUE - but without being oversaturated; it's really something to see!


Well, I need some sleep. Will respond to questions & comments in the morning.
 

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Elvis...


I know you're waiting before having it properly calibrated. I was just wondering if you did any preliminary calibration, or were you watching with factory presets.
 

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I'm unclear, do you like the plasma? :)
 

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Reading your comments, I threw the Matrix in to check out the vertical lines in Trinity's shirt. The Panny 6UY shows the detail as we expect, but the Matrix is otherwise almost unwatchable. The amount of noise in the background of these dark scenes is ridiculous. All through the opening, the background is a swimming mass of pixels. In scene 7 where Keanu is awoken from his nightmare and then answers the phone cal from Morpheus, the enlarged phone is a mess of dancing pixes. Do you see this? Admittedly, I'm up close, but the lack of a noise suppression setting on the Panny is really bothering me. I've been swapping cables, inputs, DVD players and the noise is still there and rather annoying. How's the NEC in this regard? The Pio was far better (of course not so in terms of blacks).


Bill

[Edit after post: I just watched the Matrix on my PC and it is a noisy DVD. Although the noise is less evident on the PC's CRT, it is there and the plasma brings it out. It's amazing how clean some DVD transfers, like North by NorthWest, are while others are real grainy. ]
 

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regarding how this display handles sd, I've been very impressed. it's far better than I expected and, using a digital cable tuner outputting 720p through dvi, is more detailed than my old crt. this depends on the broadcast, but 480i movies are often better than many displays I've seen showing dvds--this despite the fact that the image is zoomed to fill the screen. I've discussed this on other threads, but I'm now hooked on the dvi input, even though it limits my control over color. (note: non-hdcp display hooked to a compliant tuner--the /S version of this display, which is compliant, has more adjustment control through dvi. the tuner's scaling seems to be part of the benefit.)


regarding the noisy Matrix dvd, try lowering the brightness and see if the noise gets reduced.
 

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I've not found anything that lowers the noise in the Matrix DVD I have (early pressing). Turning down brightness just hides it a little. It's so prevalent I doubt the even a noise reduction circuit would help that much. When Keanu meets and is sitting with Morpheus a few scenes later, I had to turn it off. As I said, North by Northwest is stunningly clear. Same for Indian Jones Last Crusade. My Panny 6UY does not handle noisy sources well. I suspect Elvis will find the NEC does a better job. It includes a noise reduction setting, like the Pio and Fuji, which I found to be VERY effective on a Pio I had. I'm getting the impression that the NEC may be a nice compromise (sweet spot) between the clarity and noise resistance of the Pio and Fuji and the deep blacks of the Panny.


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Yahooo!

Validation for NEC owners. I don't claim to have the experience or the eye yet to do a truly critical comparison from memory (as owning an NEC dictates), but I'm glad to hear you reflect many of the same perceptions I have on my 42VP4. I'm interested in your report on the blacks. I know mine are good, and detailed, and totally without color hue, but they are a tad grey in a dark room. I tend to turn my brightness down a couple clicks below cal and give up a skosh of detail. But if you, as a CRT projector owner, are happy with them they must be good indeed. Curious to see what you make of SD, cuz I heard all the cautions from "unwatchable" to "well, what did you expect?" The quality of my analog cable channels varies wildly, but with the better ones I get a pic superior to my 30 in Panasonic CRT.


Bill Ball--I'm glad I'm not crazy, I saw the same thing on Matrix. It was one of the first DVD's I plopped in when I got my plasma and it was AWFUL! The noise in the dark scenes as you said. It was recommended as a demo disk and I thought maybe something was wrong with mine. "Hulk" is my showoff disk.


BTW, I don't know if you NEC owners saw it, but Kris Deering of Secrets fame (and an NEC owner) put his set through the Secrets de-interlacing tests and it passed them all. I still find mine looks slightly better with my denon 1600 faroudja in progressive scan mode.
 
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