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Well, this does mean that if you watch movies on your projector, an average of 3 hours a day, you would eventually have saved money by December of 2006.


This is assuming you buried the difference in money and didn't put it in a savings bond or anywhere where it could generate some interest.


The 3 hours a day is also quite a lot, at least for me, so if you do it at 2 hours a day (on average), you can add three more years to the equation.


I can't say that I'm not tempted to go with the 530 either, since at that price it's a great deal, and I believe, a much better projector for HT viewing...


I'm now thinking about selling my DELL projector on eBay as soon as it arrives! =)


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The Lt150 is rated at an anemic 800 lumens which locks you into strictly controlled light applications. The bulb is sold at the obnoxious price of $500. and it has no zoom. Give me the 530 anyday.


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I agree with your point whole-heartedly dtcorbett. Biggest reason I was interested in the $1,700 LT-150 was "cash reserves". If I had the immediate cash, I'd also spring for the LP530 or similar. Kicking myself for missing out on the LT150, but relieved I still have options. Another 3 months and the LT150 will be $1,700 again, lol.


In hind-sight maybe I shoulda charged 5 of those NECs, resold 4 and had enough to buy a couple spare bulbs! That way everyone could share in the windfall. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif


P.S. What do you thing the profit margin is on a $500 bulb http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

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After you factor in the interest you save on the LT-150, the two amounts become close, but don't converge for maybe 5-10 years.


Is there anyone here who thinks that they'll still be using either of those projectors 10 years from now? My guess is that we'll see some pretty big improvements in digital display devices over the next few years. I suspect that by the time the LT-150 gets sold off, I'll go through maybe one bulb. Total price of $2200, over maybe 3 years, at which time maybe I'll get $1000 if I sell it. So the total cost of ownership will be somewhere around $400/yr. For me, that's a reasonable cost.
 

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I have a 26" mits bought in 1986 still in daily use because it is a good quality TV.

I will still be using it in 10 years, just not as much and probably not in the same way. I intend to use the LP530 out in the backyard on summer weekend nights for neighborhood movies around the pool, portability and quick release ceiling mounts open previously unthought of possabilities.


We still haven't addressed the cost of an external deinterlacer/scaler, or a hush box(lp530 = 39db), or the value of the enjoyment of double the brightness, or the potential of the component input(additional $500).


But we also have not taken into account the fact that the bulb price will come down from $500, or the fact that new bulbs may have a longer life.


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The light output alone is a big issue and for that reason the 150 and the 530 are not really comparable. Once you have had a 2000 ansi lumen machine it is hard to go back to even a 1000 or 1300 lumens. The extra power makes the machine so much easier to enjoy and setup. With 2000 ansi lumens you have a machine you can fire up anytime and it is just as much fun to use during day or night. If you can afford the additional outlay for the 530 I wouldn't even think about the 150.


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leckian,


How much of an opportunity have you had to look at the LP530? I saw it at Infocomm and was very impressed by what I have heard about it but I haven't had any decent viewing yet. (I know you are an Infocus expert!)


Thanks,


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In hind-sight maybe I shoulda charged 5 of those NECs, resold 4 and had enough to buy a couple spare bulbs!

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You could have bought more than that. One just sold a few days ago for $2600 (buy now) on eBay in a matter of hours, and currently there is one at $2200 with about 5 hours to go. Five projectors could have netted you about $4k.
 

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Bob-

If you have seen it then you are more of an expert than I am. I have spoken to people in the business who have seen it and have received very favorable comments. I do know that InFocus has a good track record with providing high quality video processing as more or less as a freebie in their projectors. I say freebie since most manufacturers don't bother to and require the use of at least a DVDO to utilize at least an acceptable level of their projectors potential video capabilities. I think though at the price of 3800 for a 2000 ansi lumen machine it is certainly a chance worth considering. If you are patient and you are ready to take advantage of special opportunities when they become available you will always be able to get a projector at below dealer cost. Some of the projectors being offered at the Dell site with the 20% off are below what a dealer would pay for them. If I was going to buy a light cannon I would go for the Mits X390 (2200 lumens) with the 20% off from Dell. It comes with 3 years roadside assistance guarantee-the best in the buisness. The internal scaler is only fair through the S-Video-I haven't tried with component video.


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There is also the possibility that the LP530 might have a suitable upgrade path for future DVI/5C-Firewire copy-protected broadcasts.


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Ken,


This is interesting since the LP530 (like the 340/350) has a DVI input. Of course, more is needed, i.e., the decoding logic with all of the fancy proprietary rights protection.


Do you really think that Infocus will offer such an upgrade for these machines? Have you heard something?


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Find a vendor who sells both and tell him you want to look at the two projectors and will buy one. You may have to pay a restocking fee etc. It will be worth it!


Which projector will you like? Who knows - only you will once you have set them up and used both for a few days as you would normally use them. Everyone has different expectations about these things.


The only problem with my suggestion is that you may see "rainbows" with both and want to send them both back.


I suspect that few if any memebers of this form have seen both in their own HT. I have had projectors in my HT ranging in brightness from 700 ANSI lumens to 1800! If you have ambient light the 1800 ANSI lumens will give you a "punchier" picture. If you have control over the light the 700 ANSI lumens projector will work fine. In fact I would take the 700 over the 1800 in a heart beat (comparing these two particular projectors, not the ones you are asking about). Then again I place the greatest emphasis on image quality - period! Others have different expectations and priorities.


Check it out for yourself!


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To make 2000 lumens, didn't Infocus just enlarge the clear section? If you turn that off (which i assume you can), then you lose all the extra lumens you bought. You probably are still at 1k lumens....and the constrast is half that of the LT150
 

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Just a little re.. FLI2200.. read my review of the LT150. The gist of it is - FLI2200 provides excellent de-interlacing, but you're still dependent on the projector having good internal scaling of 480p (or 576p) to the native resolution. As I don't know how good that is on the 530, I still suspect a HTPC will look better for film sources.


There's also the color/contrast etc. which is an unknown factor. I think it's pointless to speculate on these until someone does a shootout of the two projectors.


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Please correct me if I am wrong but -


If -

The current price of the LT-150 at Dell with the 20% discount is $2112.(good luck selling them here for $2500)


And the Current price from same for the LP530 is $3750.

(prices good through 7/31 for new customers using Dell web site, just call the 877 number and an operator can give you

the 20% discount and free shipping, and order confirmation

in the same phone call.)


And the LT-150 bulb has a life span of 1000 hours with a

cost of $500.00.


And the LP530 bulb has a life span of 4000(assuming saver

mode 1600 lumens doubles stated life of 2000 hours at 2000

lumens), with a cost of $329.


Then-


Even at $1700 the cost of the LT-150 at 6000 hours would be $4,200 and the cost of the LP530 would be $3,960.


The LP530 has a Sage/Farouja deinterlacer/scaler built in, and can be upgraded to component inputs. Does this not

sound like a HT targeted product.


Taking into account the bulb cost over time, and the external deinterlacer/scaler that the LT-150 would need, the

LP530 at $3795 looks like a better buy to me than the LT-150 did at $1700. Not to mention at almost double the

brightness(assuming saver mode 1600 lumens in video mode with white turned off would drop proportionaly even with the

LT-150 with the white segment turned off).


What am I missing here?


I do profess to not know what I am talking about. This is

why I am asking for some input from this forum on the

validity of my observations.


Just one more observation -


If history is a valid yarstick with which to measure the future, then we will not be willing to pay $2000 for the LP530 in 6 to 12 months because it will be such an underperformer compared to then current projectors. Think abount the Dreamvision DL-500 at $6,500 compared to the

LT-150 at $2112 or $1700 today.

 

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On LP530: More lumens with the same contrast as the LP350 (400:1) sounds like a bust to me. The LP350 did not need grayer blacks. The internal scaler is already good. I'm not unhappy about the sage chip, but also not overwhelmed. Sounds like mostly a marketing play to me.


I preferred the LT150 to the LP350 and I'm predicting that the LT150 will beat out the LP530 in everything but light output and internal scaling.


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When does the LP530 ship?


Given the 4,000-hour bulb life and 1600 lumen output, I'd be willing to pay an extra $2k for the LP530, especially if it doesn't put out a lot of fan noise. Problem is, I really like the picture quality of the LT150 (and I'm still using S-video and a bedroom wall!).


I am looking forward to reviews of the LP530. If it looks like a worthy unit, my LT150 may end up in the auction forum.
 

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