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Need a receiver to drive 4 ohm speakers

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I'm in the process of putting together a HT system and I would really like some opinions about receivers driving 4 ohm speakers. I was looking at the Pioneer 1014 and I looked at the Yamaha 2500 but ran into some issues with heat driving 4 ohm speakers. Can someone list some good solid receivers that can drive these speakers with no problems? The speakers are PSB Stratus Silver. Everyone I talked to said they were great speakers but I failed to ask what they were driving them with. Should I be considering separates? Am I making a big deal out of nothing?
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I picked up an Onkyo 502 for my second set-up. I have been using it to power JBL 940's. I have 3 up front and they are 4ohm, 4 way, 300 watt speakers. I have pushed them hard-the Onkyo has shown no abnormal heat or any problems. I have an HK 235 but have not tried it yet. Seems the Onkyo's could handle the load...
NAD, Outlaw, Arcam, Integra, Rotel
I use an Onkyo TX-SR800 rated down to 3 ohms at 250 w/ch, 4 ohms at 210 w/ch. The receiver should cost new around $700.00 to $900.00 and I currently am happily driving 4 ohm speakers.
"I use an Onkyo TX-SR800 rated down to 3 ohms at 250 w/ch,"


They have a rating for 3 ohms?!
IMO all 4 ohm speakers are not the same - some are easier to drive than others due to higher sensitivity, and the manufacturer's nominal impedance rating is not always on the mark. My large "4 ohm" floorstanders were driven just fine with a 55w H/K receiver (AVR20II) for a couple of years before I got a separate amp. In general, H/K receivers will deliver more current and drive lower impedance speakers than the competition, all things equal. So without knowing how difficult your speakers are to drive, I would say get one of the bigger 5 channel H/K receivers, such as the AVR8000, or get a separate amp. You can test them with a mid-price Yamaha receiver - if it can drive them most any comparable receiver can.
Even though Pioneer suggests that 6 ohms is the minimum, several magazine tests on the Elite 52TX indicated that it could drive 4 ohm loads and produce greater power output than with 8 ohm loads and with no problems. Thus, the power supply of the entire Elite series (all of which have capacitors larger than those on the 52TX) should be up to the job.


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"the manufacturer's nominal impedance rating is not always on the mark. "


*None* of them are, in the sense that all of peaks and dips from the driver and XO components.


I suspect the problem is not the nominal impedance at all, but the minimum impedance.
I have been driving my M&K LCR 750's with a H/K avr 325 for a while now with no problems. The 325 is only rated at 50 watts!
Cambridge Audio 540R will easily drive a 4 ohm load. Not long in features and has a fixed 80hz xover, so make sure your speakers can live with that.
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I use an Onkyo TX-SR800 rated down to 3 ohms at 250 w/ch, 4 ohms at 210 w/ch. The receiver should cost new around $700.00 to $900.00 and I currently am happily driving 4 ohm speakers.
Totally wrong and misleading. I looked at the specs you are quoting and it is NOT actual power output. It's the receiver's dynamic power output. Dynamic output has alway been a dubious spec as there is no real standard on how dynamic output should be measured. Dynamic output is measured by finding how much power an amp can deliver without clipping for a SHORT period of time. There are so many variables about how this is measured that varies from manufacturer to manufacturer. Such as how much time is used to measure this power burst? At what frequency is this burst being measured at? Is this measured with all channels driven?


The only real measure of an amp's prowess in power output is it's RMS rating with all channels driven into specified loads. No receiver can sustain high power outputs at 3 Ohms; even 4 Ohms is questionable.
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I use an Onkyo TX-SR800 rated down to 3 ohms at 250 w/ch, 4 ohms at 210 w/ch. The receiver should cost new around $700.00 to $900.00 and I currently am happily driving 4 ohm speakers.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I have an SR800 and it's rated at "100W/ch into 8 ohms, 2 channels driven, 20-20kHz" and "2 x 160W into 6-ohms, 1kHz EIAJ". Note the restrticted 6-ohm spec with just a 1kHz tone.


I'm an Onkyo fan from way back, but since I have a few other amps to compare it with, I would guesstimate the SR800 at about 50-60W/ch if measured on the same basis as high-current amps like HK and Adcom ... and maybe even less if all channels driven.
ijd is correct. Onkyo typically produces about 1/3 of their rated power with 5 channels driven, as does Sony, and that into an easy 8 Ohm resistive load, which does not correspond to any loudspeaker that I am aware of.


However, much like several other big name manufacturers have done, Onkyo will eventually figure out how to engineer a high-voltage (low current) power stage so that they will be able to maintain close to their no load spec with more than 2 channels driven. The only problem with that is no speaker actually presents a simple resistive 8 Ohm load to an amp. Virtually all better speakers present much closer to 4 Ohm active load. That's where the high-voltage, low current designs stumble.


Stick with a brand known to honestly produce high-current, an indicator of which is the ability to produce, at minimum, its 8 Ohm power into 4 Ohms, with more than 2 channels driven. Of the mass market, mid-level brands, H/K, NAD, Pioneer Elite and Marantz will generally produce more power into 4 Ohms than 8. The list ends about right there.
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Sorry to disappoint you, but I have an SR800 and it's rated at "100W/ch into 8 ohms, 2 channels driven, 20-20kHz" and "2 x 160W into 6-ohms, 1kHz EIAJ". Note the restrticted 6-ohm spec with just a 1kHz tone.

Note that the EIAJ specifications are taken @10%THD..
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Note that the EIAJ specifications are taken @10%THD..
10% THD! :rolleyes:


What kind of spec is this one?
While I own an Integra (based on an Onkyo 701) and am quite happy with it, I did restrict my speaker shopping to those with 8 ohm loads, recognizing my receiver's limitations. Over time, I intend to add outboard amps to allow me to consider 4 ohm speakers in the (not to close, my wallet hopes :D ) future. If you are considering 4 ohm speakers, NAD, Arcam, Rotel and Cambridge Audio should be on your list of alternatives.
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10% THD! :rolleyes:


What kind of spec is this one?
It is a junk specification intended only for low end car audio products..

Unfortunately this is an glaring example of misleading the consumer..

Print the biggest number..
Buy the heaviest one that fits your budget. Seriously.
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