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I am a relative newcomer to the world of home theater, so please excuse my ignorance. I have spent weeks researching the AVS forums before posting this and have so far not found a clear, concise answer to the dilemma I'm in so I figured I would see if any of you more knowledgeable folks can help me out.


First I'll post my gear:

TV: LG 50PK550

Receiver: Onkyo HT-RC260

Blu-Ray: LG BD550

Cable: Motorola HD DVR via Time Warner

Media Streaming: Popcorn Hour A-110

Center Speaker: Polk CS1 Series II

Front Speakers: Polk Audio Monitor40 Series II

(No rear speakers yet)

Sub: Polk PSW505

Game Systems: XBox360, Wii


I bought the HT-RC260 a few days ago because I thought that 6 HDMI ins and 1 out would be the solution to my variety of HDMI devices, not to mention the great price of the unit. Then I discovered the RC260 does not process HDMI audio and simply passes it on to the TV. As far as I can tell, my LG does not send surround sound through the optical out, so I am left with all my sources coming back to the RC260 in 2 channel stereo PCM. Yes there are two optical ins on the RC260 but that only covers 2 of my 6 devices. I want to have all 6 devices capable of outputting all the surround sound and audio formats that they support via HDMI through my receiver.


I am planning on sending back the HT-RC260 but wanted to check in this forum first if I am missing anything, or if I am right in that my combination of devices will not work the way I intended. I also wanted to ask: what is the cheapest receiver that supports 6 HDMI inputs AND provides HDMI processing on those inputs? I have searched all over Newegg, Amazon etc and cannot find much info regarding HDMI Audio Processing vs. HDMI Audio Passthrough. It's so cryptic on these product pages, and my searching on AVS Forums has so far been fruitless in terms of a modern, current list of receivers capable of this.


Any help/suggestions/criticisms/flame wars welcome!
 

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I bought the HT-RC260 a few days ago because I thought that 6 HDMI ins and 1 out would be the solution to my variety of HDMI devices, not to mention the great price of the unit. Then I discovered the RC260 does not process HDMI audio and simply passes it on to the TV.

What? Where are you getting your info? The RC-260 definitely processes HDMI audio! It even has TrueHD and DTS-MA decoding from Blu Ray. All the new 2010 Onkyo receivers do.
 

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What? Where are you getting your info? The RC-260 definitely processes HDMI audio! It even has TrueHD and DTS-MA decoding from Blu Ray. All the new 2010 Onkyo receivers do.

I must be doing something wrong, because my XBox360 is not playing back in surround, my Popcorn Hour is not playing back in surround, my cable DVR is not playing back in surround... etc etc. I'm just getting 2 channel stereo. It seems like the internal HDMI switching on the RC-260 is sending the audio to the TV, where it is translated from multi-channel format to stereo PCM.


After posting an initially happy & positive review on Newegg about this device (because at first test, it did seem pretty awesome), I went back to the product page and read a more recent review which seems to echo the issue I'm having:

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Cons: hdmi passthrough. i cannot understate how important this is. hdmi passthrough is a killer for most people. if you can pay a little more to avoid hdmi passthrough, do so! what hdmi passthrough means is that you can plug in your hdmi devices to the receiver and then send a single hdmi cable to the TV. however, you cannot send hdmi audio from your HDMI device and output it on the Onkyo receiver. the receiver can only pass it on to the TV. in other words, to have surround sound audio, you need to have another optical cable running to the Onkyo from your HDMI device. and the highest quality you can get over optical is DTS or Dolby Digital. None of the highest quality audio formats can go over optical because of lack of bandwidth. even if you connect your HDMI device directly to the TV and then run an optical cable to your receiver, that's an even worse scenario because 90% of TV's will only send HDMI audio to a receiver via PCM which is basically digital stereo.

Other Thoughts: when choosing a receiver, you want to avoid hdmi passthrough if your budget allows it. you want a receiver that can take a single hdmi cable which can carry both audio and video signals and decode the audio on the receiver itself. not pass it through to the TV. hdmi has plenty of bandwidth to handle all the latest audio formats. it really is better to pay a little more because you only have 1 cable to worry about and you can handle all the latest cool audio formats with higher fidelity than you get with the old DTS and Dolby Digital formats.
 

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You guys really need to spend more time reading your manual.


page 65
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The AV receiver’s HDMI interface is based on the following:

Audio Return Channel, 3D, x.v.Color, Deep Color, Lip Sync, DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS-HD High Resolution

Audio, Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus, DSD and Multichannel PCM


Supported Audio Formats

• 2-channel linear PCM (32–192 kHz, 16/20/24 bit)

• Multichannel linear PCM (up to 7.1 ch, 32–192 kHz, 16/20/24 bit)

• Bitstream (DSD, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio, DTS-HD

Master Audio)

Your Blu-ray Disc/DVD player must also support HDMI output of the above audio formats.

Try turning off the Audio Return.
 

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Yeah, pretty much every Onkyo receiver after 2007's TX-SR605 or above 2008's 507 decodes HR audio from DTS and Dolby Digital.
 

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Like I mentioned, I am an amateur at A/V - networking is my strong suit! I use "RTFM" almost daily at work and don't take my own advice when it comes to my own gear. I'll see if that fixes things, thanks.
 

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Page 44 of the manual...

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HDMI

■Audio TV Out

Off:

HDMI audio is not output.

On:

HDMI audio is output.

This preference determines whether audio received at the

HDMI IN is output by the HDMI OUT. You may want to

turn this preference on if your TV is connected to the

HDMI OUT and you want to listen to the audio from a

component that’s connected to an HDMI IN, through your

TV’s speakers. Normally, this should be set to “Off”.
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Note

• If “On” is selected and the audio can be output from the TV, the

AV receiver will output no sound through its speakers. In this

case, “TV Sp On” appears on the display.

• When “TV Control” is set to “On” (➔ 45), this setting is fixed

to “Auto”.

• With some TVs and input signals, no sound may be output even

when this setting is set to “On”.

• When the “Audio TV Out” setting is set to “On”, or “TV Control”

is set to “On” (➔ 45) and you’re listening through your

TV’s speakers (➔ 15), if you turn up the AV receiver’s volume

control, the sound will be output by the AV receiver’s front left

and right speakers. To stop the AV receiver’s speakers producing

sound, change the settings, change your TV’s settings, or turn

down the AV receiver’s volume.
 

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Thanks Afro GT. I am in the process of moving into a new house so my box with manual and accessories is back in my other house. Should have read that extensively before posting. As soon as I get home I am going to make the switch and see what happens.
 

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You can download a user's manual for your AVR here .
 

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Originally Posted by steagl3 /forum/post/19096515


Like I mentioned, I am an amateur at A/V - networking is my strong suit! I use "RTFM" almost daily at work and don't take my own advice when it comes to my own gear. I'll see if that fixes things, thanks.

No problem. That's what these boards are for.
 

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I know that this thread is old, but using this receiver, can I input HDMI (audio and video) to the receiver. Then output video to a projector with HDMI, and output audio to surround speakers through speaker wires?


Thanks for any help!
 

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Of course you can. That's the purpose of a AV Receiver. That would be a normal setup.


Substitute the projector for a HDTV and that how most people use it.
 

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Okay, great.. thank you. My current receiver is an old onkyo and I need an additional optical cable to transfer sound to the receiver. If I input the sound from HDMI, it forces the sound to go out HDMI.


Thanks for your help!
 
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