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I have just finished my a/v condo setup, and looking for any advice to make it work the best.


Here is the setup:

Monitor: Pioneer Elite 50" 1140HD
AVR: Marantz SR7002
Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S550
DVD: Pioneer Elite DV-48AV Upconverting
Cable: HD Direct TV model H20
Speakers: Definitive Technology Mythos Solo LCR

Definitive Technology Mythos Gem LR Surround

Definitive Techonology Supercube II subwoofer
Cables: Monoprice 15' HDMI v1.3 (2) From TV to Blu Ray/TV to D-TV box

Monoprice CL2 12AWG speaker cables (in wall) (350')

Monoprice Toshlink interconnects (3) (DVD to AVR/BDP to

AVR/DTV box to AVR

Component Cables (From TV to DVD player)

AVRite 75' Subwoofer Cable (From AVR thru wall to wall plate)

Monoprice 12' Subwoofer cable (from wall plate to sub)


Now what I am looking for is help with making sure I am connected in the best possible way to take advantage of both the audio capabilities of the AVR and getting the best possible visual output from the components. Would it make sense to run one HDMI from the Pioneer TV to the Marantz AVR monitor out? Then, run separte HDMI's from the DVD player, blu ray, and HD direct tv box to 3 of the HDMI inputs on the receiver? Using the component cables from the DVD player to the tv only displays 480i output, whereas, with HDMI connection, it upconverts the picture to 1080i. Also, I didn't know if I ran HDMI's from each separte component to the AVR, if I would not need to use the Toshlink cables for the audio. Any help is greatly appreciated and I look forward to making sure I have everything hooked up the best to receive DTS-HD and TrueDolby from the receiver, not sure if I am getting that via the toshilink cables to the Marantz SR7002. Thank you.
 

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Connect all your devices via HDMI to the receiver. Then use the HDMI output from your receiver to your TV. HDMI carries both audio and video, so you don't need optical in your case. You also need HDMI in order to listen to HD audio (Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA).
 

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Thank you for the fast response, I was figuring that the components to receiver via HDMI and then output on the receiver to the tv. I knew there was a reason I really enjoy forums like this, it makes my life easier, and helps save some $$$ by doing it yourself.


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I followed the easy steps of connection the Blu Ray player, the dvd player and the Direct TV HD box to the AVR via HDMI cables. I connected the DTV box to input 1 (tv), blu ray to input 3 (vcr), and the dvd player to input 2 (dvd). Then I connected 1 15' HDMI cable from Output 1 on the AVR to input 5 (one of the HDMI inputs/other is input 6). I can get the Blu ray to play with video and audio, the dvd player gets both, but I can't get the picture or sound with the Direct Tv HD setup. It randomly will show a picture and get sound for a brief second or two, then go to a black screen and flash the tv input number in the uppper right hand corner. The place I am confused is if the tv input is bad, the HDMI cord is bad, I tried 2 of them, is the connection from the Dtv box to tv bad, or is it as simple as assigning the components via the AVR, or a simple setting that I am missing. It is frustrating me to no end at this point. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
 

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I followed the easy steps of connection the Blu Ray player, the dvd player and the Direct TV HD box to the AVR via HDMI cables. I connected the DTV box to input 1 (tv), blu ray to input 3 (vcr), and the dvd player to input 2 (dvd). Then I connected 1 15' HDMI cable from Output 1 on the AVR to input 5 (one of the HDMI inputs/other is input 6). I can get the Blu ray to play with video and audio, the dvd player gets both, but I can't get the picture or sound with the Direct Tv HD setup. It randomly will show a picture and get sound for a brief second or two, then go to a black screen and flash the tv input number in the uppper right hand corner. The place I am confused is if the tv input is bad, the HDMI cord is bad, I tried 2 of them, is the connection from the Dtv box to tv bad, or is it as simple as assigning the components via the AVR, or a simple setting that I am missing. It is frustrating me to no end at this point. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.

What happens if you connect the Direct TV box directly to your TV? Does it work then?
 

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No, I do not get anything. If I connect a toslink from the Dtv box output to the AVR input I get sound. It is leading me to think it is some setting I am missing.



I even tried using a different HDMI input DSS (vcr2) input to see if it was the input for some reason. If I do it that way when I switch the input selecter on the AVR, it loses the audio from the toslink because it is still in Digitial In 1. I also went into the marantz menu and assigned the different inputs.


Input Setup


Input 1 TV HDMI 1 (this is where I am trying to get input one to be used for the Direct TV HD box)

Input 2 DVD HDMI 2

Input 3 VCR (blu ray) HDMI 3


Video Convert ( There is a separate screen that displays each input and all are set to analog & HDMI)


TV-Auto : Enable

OSD Info : Enable

I/P Convert: Enable

HDMI Out : Output 1


Preferences:


Standby : Normal

Bilingual : Main

HDMI Audio: Enable

HDMI Lip : Disable
 

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No, I do not get anything. If I connect a toslink from the Dtv box output to the AVR input I get sound. It is leading me to think it is some setting I am missing.

If you don't get audio over HDMI from the satellite box when run to to the AVR or directly to the TV, it strongly suggests a problem with the setup of the satellite box.
 

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I have two sat boxes exactly like yours and they work fine with HDMI. The issue must be in the setup of the sat boxes. Make sure you go into the menu and select the proper settings in both the audio and HD sections.
 

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I'd also bet that your D* box is the device causing you problems. My suggestion would be to connect with component (red, blue, green) cables for now until you can get another box.
 

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I would try to connect the DTV box directly to your set using composite cables(yellow red/white)and go into the setup screen. Then under HDTV select 480i resolution. If it works this way, then select 480p and 720p. Make sure Native if off. If this still works try the HDMI cable.


We need to isolate where you are losing the connection.
 

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Ok, I connected the tv directly to the Direct TV HD box via component cables, green/blue/red. I went into the setup of the Direct TV box and made sure I could choose the 4 different resolutions, all were able to display on the tv. I thought the problem was solved, so I switch the tv input from input 4 where I have the components connected to input 5 where the hdmi from the tv to the direct tv box and I don't get a picture, but get sound only because of the Toslink being connected between the direct tv box and the AVR. Still stumped, now where should I go?
 

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Ok, I connected the tv directly to the Direct TV HD box via component cables, green/blue/red. I went into the setup of the Direct TV box and made sure I could choose the 4 different resolutions, all were able to display on the tv. I thought the problem was solved, so I switch the tv input from input 4 where I have the components connected to input 5 where the hdmi from the tv to the direct tv box and I don't get a picture, but get sound only because of the Toslink being connected between the direct tv box and the AVR. Still stumped, now where should I go?

Just so I'm clear, you still have the same issue with DTV-Pioneer via HDMI?


Also try it with native set to on in the DTV box. This will take any scaling/converting out of DTVs hands and put it on your PIO.
 

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Yep same issues still with a HDMI (tried 3 now, including one brand new) brand new one connected currently from DTV box to input 5 on pioneer tv. Not to start any confrontation, just merely a question, I had one person advise to turn off the Native and one advising to turn it on, which makes more sense???
 

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Yep same issues still with a HDMI (tried 3 now, including one brand new) brand new one connected currently from DTV box to input 5 on pioneer tv. Not to start any confrontation, just merely a question, I had one person advise to turn off the Native and one advising to turn it on, which makes more sense???

Native on- sends original program format(480i/480p/720p, etc) to display.

Native off - DTV box will scale/deinterlace to whatever you set it to.


I figure the scaler in your set is better then the DTV box, so I always leave native on. It does tend to increase time when changing channels that have different resolutions, but overall gives a better picture.


For troubleshooting purposes I'd leave it on, so DTV is removed from scaling equation.


It seems like you have an HDMI handshake issue. Does your AVR have component inputs that it will send out via HDMI?
 

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http://us.marantz.com/Products/2205.asp#


Clicking on the above link will give you an accurate pic of the AVR I am using the SR-7002 Marantz AVR.


Turned on the Native feature...

Looks like the AVR will send component out via HDMI. I'd try that as a work around with the DTV box. You'll need to assign an optical input to the same input as component to get sound.



You've tried just DTV-hdmi-Pioneer with native on. Have you tried turning on the DTV box, then TV and vice versa. I have a Toshiba in my bedroom that won't pick up hdmi w/o the DTV box being on first.
 

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No, I haven't tried turning on the DTV box first, I orginally had one HDMI run from the tv to the blu ray, and one from the DTV box to the tv, used component for the dvd, and then ran toslink cables from the dvd, blu ray, and dtv box to the AVR. The only problem was that in order to receive DTS-HD and True Dolby HD, I would need HDMI connections from the AVR to the Blu Ray player. I am still stumped, as right now I have component cables run from the tv to the DTV HD box, and the picture color sucks. I am thinking I may put it back to the original plan and leave it. I am very frustrated as I bought the receiver to decode HD codecs, and with the way the wiring is going, I can't get them.

 

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I can't follow this any more.


As I recall, everything was fine running through your AVR except for the satellite box, which lacked video over HDMI. It turned out that you also don't get a picture from the satellite box when you connected it directly to the TV. Others with the same DTV box say it works fine for them over HDMI.


So, did you speak with your satellite provider? You tried different cables, but what about swapping out the DTV box?


Now, you are trying component video from the satellite box. You said you didn't get video that way either (another good indicator there's a problem with the satellite box), although your last post says your problem is now color that you don't like. Are you able to get video out of the DTV box over component cables?


Your last statement about not getting HD codecs from your receiver also has me stumped. You only have one equipment that outputs HD audio - your S550. Isn't that one working fine with an HDMI connection to your receiver?
 

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I re-read the marantz manual and changed a couple of the settings, per the manual. I got the DTV HD box to work with component cables from the DTV box to the TV. I got audio through a toslink cable from the DTV satellite box to the AVR and all works. The display on the marantz AVR says digital and displays the entire surround setup. I am going to leave it that way for the DTV box, as for the blu ray, I am going to run a HDMI from the blu ray to the AVR and check that I get both audio and video via HDMI, and the codecs are decoded correctly. As for the DVD player I am also going to assign another input for it and use a HDMI cable for that. There is no reason I shouldn't be able to get both audio and video through HDMI from both the DVD player and Blu Ray player.
 

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Quick update, thanks for all the help, I did in fact get it all working. I had to set a few things differently on the AVR for the input settings. I ended up connecting the DTV satellite box via component cables and ran a toslink for the audio. As for the blu ray and dvd, they are connect via hdmi directly to the AVR, and then the monitor out from AVR is connected to the tv. Again, I appreciate the help and patience, I guess it comes down to the dtv box not being able to pass audio and video via hdmi through the receiver.
 
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