[ramzy]

I'm a bit lost and overwhelmed at the choices. I am currently using a supercube 1 and want to upgrade the sub as well as use a dual sub set up.


My budget is approximately $1400, but I am ultimately looking for value. If I spend less while getting better sound than a supercube, then mission accomplished.


Due to the WAF, depth cannot be more than 22 maybe 23 inches, and ultimately, a critical factor. WAF says no cylinders either.


My room is about 15x14x10 with a partial opening towards the back.


My only concern is HT.


I run my bass ususally a little hot. I'm looking for something deeper than a supercube. I want to "feel' it, and wouldn't mind if the neighbors felt it too

No appearance requirements. I do enjoy a more refined look such as the SC for MFW, however its a small factor for my wife, and she can veto me.


I would like to purchase ASAP and am open to any brands or dealers.


Again, my goal is a dual sub setup with each sub outperforming the supercube. If this is not possible, then just recommend an additional supercube.


Any recommendations and feedback would be appreciated.

 

[eric-t]



Quote:
Originally Posted by ramzy /forum/post/18174757


I'm a bit lost and overwhelmed at the choices. I am currently using a supercube 1 and want to upgrade the sub as well as use a dual sub set up.


My budget is approximately $1400, but I am ultimately looking for value. If I spend less while getting better sound than a supercube, then mission accomplished.


Due to the WAF, depth cannot be more than 22 maybe 23 inches, and ultimately, a critical factor. WAF says no cylinders either.


My room is about 15x14x10 with a partial opening towards the back.


My only concern is HT.


I run my bass ususally a little hot. I'm looking for something deeper than a supercube. I want to "feel' it, and wouldn't mind if the neighbors felt it too

No appearance requirements. I do enjoy a more refined look such as the SC for MFW, however its a small factor for my wife, and she can veto me.


I would like to purchase ASAP and am open to any brands or dealers.


Again, my goal is a dual sub setup with each sub outperforming the supercube. If this is not possible, then just recommend an additional supercube.


Any recommendations and feedback would be appreciated.

Can you squeeze 25"?

 

[ramzy]

I tried, and tried, and tried some more. Sadly, she would not accept 25 inches. 23 or less which I know hurts.

 

[goonstopher]

I think it will be very easy to outperform a supercube.


One very good sub could kill things compared to a supercube.


At $700 each for 2 and with those size numbers you do run into challenges.


These are just under budget and just under size:
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=102


Another option is 2 of these with the 300w amp
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F12.html


From what I have owned I would consider a single captivator (if you can pull off the idea of one bigger sub)

 

[goonstopher]

Also duals of these (but they are over size on depth)
http://hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3-mk3.html


Or duals of this for under size and under budget because of the sale:
http://hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2-mk3.html

 

[eric-t]



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Originally Posted by goonstopher /forum/post/18174814


I think it will be very easy to outperform a supercube.


One question, why have you limited it to duals? That room is pretty small. One very good sub could kill things compared to a supercube. Do you have frequency anomalies to fix?


At $700 each for 2 and with those size numbers you do run into challenges.
These are just under budget and just under size:
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=102


These are exactly at budget and just over size:
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=618


Another option is 2 of these with the 300w amp
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F12.html


From what I have owned I would consider a single captivator (if you can pull off the idea of one bigger sub)

The eD A3-300 is a good choice and 2 of them is a very good choice and will fill your room with excellent bass.

 

[ramzy]

Thanks for all the quick relies and great suggestions.


I've been slowly educating myself regarding subs and realize the SC isn't the best performer. I'm not surprised there are many choices that do outperform it.


If be some miracle or bribe I was able to fit 25 inches, what would be your recommendations then? Hopeful it will happen, but doubt it.

 

[goonstopher]

Honestly - My gf HATED it when I got my first hsu vtf-3 mk-3 cause of its size but now she bought me 2 captivators. When you really get a WOW factor from subs it seems even uninterested women can get enthused (not a promise but it may happen)


Is the limit in height or depth?

 

[goonstopher]

If you can go for a single then this should fit the bill:

https://svsound.com/products-sub-box-newpb12plus.cfm


If not the the ed's are going to be very good for ht.


Either way I bet you are going to be a happy man. If you liked the supercube then prepare for a new world

 

[ramzy]



Quote:
Originally Posted by goonstopher /forum/post/18174901


Honestly - My gf HATED it when I got my first hsu vtf-3 mk-3 cause of its size but now she bought me 2 captivators. When you really get a WOW factor from subs it seems even uninterested women can get enthused (not a promise but it may happen)


Is the limit in height or depth?

I was settled on the HSU, but as soon as she requested measurement, depth became an issue, or more specifically, depth in our current room. She really wanted another supercube or even a reference but I wanted better performance.

 

[goonstopher]

If you can sell yours and save up for a supercube trinity haha


I really didn't love my hsu but I am in the minority.

 

[ramzy]



Quote:
Originally Posted by goonstopher /forum/post/18174951


If you can sell yours and save up for a supercube trinity haha


I really didn't love my hsu but I am in the minority.

Trinity is on the bucket list

What exactly didn't you enjoy about your HSUs?

 

[eric-t]



Quote:
Originally Posted by ramzy /forum/post/18174877


Thanks for all the quick relies and great suggestions.


I've been slowly educating myself regarding subs and realize the SC isn't the best performer. I'm not surprised there are many choices that do outperform it.


If be some miracle or bribe I was able to fit 25 inches, what would be your recommendations then? Hopeful it will happen, but doubt it.

Two SVS PB12-NSD. $1200 plus shipping.
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-pb12nsd.cfm


or


The 2 eD A3-300. Which would be $1,100 shipped to your door.
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=102


or


A single SVS PB12-plus and you have a finish option. $1,150 plus shipping.
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-newpb12plus.cfm


Also eD has the A5-350 and A7-350 which have a finish option as well


A5-350
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=618


A7-350
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=746


Two subs are always better then one if you have the room to accommodate them as it will give you more even bass response within the room. One good sub will also do a great job as long as you have the proper placement for it. Placement is the key for top performance from any sub.


It becomes overwhelming sometimes trying to pick one

 

[goonstopher]

I didn't like anything it. Maybe it was set up wrong or defective. I realize now that it was placed pretty poorly but it bottomed out or flapped a LOT.


Again almost no one has this problem, not sure why I did.


When I was shopping I had the rythmics in consideration but the eD's should give you more raw spl. Your room is small but the opening is the x-factor. If your room was sealed the the rythimcs would be a clear winner.

 

[ramzy]



Quote:
Originally Posted by eric-t /forum/post/18174969


Two SVS PB12-NSD. $1200 plus shipping.
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-pb12nsd.cfm


or


The 2 eD A3-300. Which would be $1,100 shipped to your door.
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=102


or


A single SVS PB12-plus and you have a finish option. $1,150 plus shipping.
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-newpb12plus.cfm


Also eD has the A5-350 and A7-350 which have a finish option as well


A5-350
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=618


A7-350
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=746


Two subs are always better then one if you have the room to accommodate them as is will give you more even bass response within the room. One good sub will also to a great job as long as you have the proper placement for it. Placement is the key for top performance from any sub.


It becomes overwhelming sometimes trying to pick one

Thanks for the help. Greatly looking forward to making a decision and ordering something on Monday.


Both SVS and Dr Hsu recommended 2 smaller subs rather that the 1 large sub option, exactly as you say.


I 100% agree, it is overwhelming, in a good way

 

[eric-t]



Quote:
Originally Posted by ramzy /forum/post/18174999


Thanks for the help. Greatly looking forward to making a decision and ordering something on Monday.


Both SVS and Dr Hsu recommended 2 smaller subs rather that the 1 large sub option, exactly as you say.


I 100% agree, it is overwhelming, in a good way

I agree, alot only have a $300/500 budget and you have a $1400 one. You are a lucky man

 

[goonstopher]

Just be warned. 2 subs introduces a whole new slew of problems with phase cancellation, placement and equalization. Done improperly you can have muffled sound with no more or less gain than a single well placed sub. You should have some way to account for the differences in distances and to measure if the peaks are overlapping.

 

[eric-t]

I forgot to mention that the eD A3-300 does have a finish choice. If you did choose one it would bring you $100 over budget. Nothing major but I wanted to point that out

 

[ramzy]



Quote:
Originally Posted by eric-t /forum/post/18175036


I forgot to mention that the eD A3-300 does have a finish choice. If you did choose one it would bring you $100 over budget. Nothing major but I wanted to point that out

Are you familiar with the Matte option? What would that look like without a finish?

 

[ramzy]



Quote:
Originally Posted by goonstopher /forum/post/18175027


Just be warned. 2 subs introduces a whole new slew of problems with phase cancellation, placement and equalization. Done improperly you can have muffled sound with no more or less gain than a single well placed sub. You should have some way to account for the differences in distances and to measure if the peaks are overlapping.

I'm trying to educate myself about that. I may end up hiring a local custom installer for calabration if I cannot ultimately figure it out. Good point.