Look for "Renewed" Denons on Amazon. Or you could try the "certified refurbished" Denons on accessories4less.com but keep in mind they are not easy to deal with for non-defective returns.I've also been the look out for a used or refurbished Denon AVR that has Audyssey XT32. I think that would be a nice upgrade from my Denon AVR-SB500BT.
Open to input from others regarding the sub and AVR choices. Thanks all.
Max budget for sub would be $500. Probably about the same for a new receiver.Look for "Renewed" Denons on Amazon. Or you could try the "certified refurbished" Denons on accessories4less.com but keep in mind they are not easy to deal with for non-defective returns.
Regarding the sub:
- What's your budget max?
- Room size?
- Is the room totally enclosed, or open plan?
A room that small, and with 50/50 music/HT usage, I'd get a pair of these:Max budget for sub would be $500. Probably about the same for a new receiver.
The room size is 12'x12'x8' cube shaped and sealed off when the door is closed. Basically a box.
A room that small, and with 50/50 music/HT usage, I'd get a pair of these:
Open up one box, and if it's enough for you, ship back the second box on JBL's dime. I have a pair of these in my music setup in a much bigger open plan living room, and they are great for music. For HT, a pair might be ideal for a smaller room like yours. That jaw-dropping price only comes up maybe 2 times a year, most of the time they are $600 apiece.
Well, all 3 of those speakers come with free returns, but currently the JBL is the least expensive ($189) followed by the RSL ($400) and then the SVS ($500).For my room I would prefer a single subwoofer setup. Would you pick the JBL over the RSL 10s or SVS SB1000. Seems like the value is too strong on the JBL.
The 11.2 has a rising treble, unlike their past speakers: https://www.stereophile.com/content/wharfedale-diamond-112-loudspeaker-measurementsYou could audition the Diamond 225 and 11.2, plus either of the Evos---Crutchfield gives you a sweet $10 flat rate return shipping for bookshelf pairs.
The 11.2 is the current version of the 225; I prefer its more conservative aesthetic, but some people like or don't mind the 225's shiny woofer rings. I have read a few user reviews reporting that the 11x series is more "neutral" than the 22x and 10x preceding series, FWIW. The 225 is currently on sale for $100 less than the 11.2 if you're looking to save a little money.
I got lucky and snagged a refurbished X4500H a couple of weeks ago for $999. The Denon X3000 series is where Audyssey XT32 begins. That is where I would recommend you begin. X4000 series has a nicer remote and more features.I've also been the look out for a used or refurbished Denon AVR that has Audyssey XT32. I think that would be a nice upgrade from my Denon AVR-SB500BT.
Reminds me of my early days, when I started with Infinity Primus towers.Music:
Coming form the Polk's the EVO's have this amazing mid range clarity. I've really notices that male vocals sound rich, full, smooth and present. I'm finding strength in the mid range that I previously did not have. The guitars in Fleetwood Mac - Never Going Back Again shine on these speakers. I'm not well versed enough to really critically listen to highs/tweeters. All I can say is that to me they are perfect. I have a preference for a laid back high end that can still provide detail. For instance I am not a fan of Klipsch or Focal sound signatures. The EVO's were easy on the ears during a 2 hours straight listening session. Smooth is what comes to mind when listening to these AMT's. The low end of these is fuller, tighter, and deeper than the Polk RTi A3's even though the polks have a larger woofer, bigger cabinet and a front port. Overall these are just fun, balanced, and bring life and energy to music. I have not listened to the SVS Primes or the JBL's but if I was stuck with these I would not be mad AT ALL. I like them a lot.
Reminds me of my early days, when I started with Infinity Primus towers.
I like the way you describe the sound of these. It's what I've found I like, too. My current speakers have a flat-on axis, and somewhat laid back off-axis (but of the same tonal character) sound that is however extended beyond 20 kHz. It's really interesting. The result is the wall bounce sounds the same as the direct sound, but all you notice is just very engaging detail that draws you in, rather than shoving it in your eardrums. Detail without harshness.
I think you'll like the other speakers, too, but in different ways. Looking forward to reading about it.
Well, all 3 of those speakers come with free returns, but currently the JBL is the least expensive ($189) followed by the RSL ($400) and then the SVS ($500).
For musical finesse I'd pick the JBL over the RSL; for output the RSL since it's the only vented sub. You could always try the SVS too but I would be surprised if it could keep up with either one.
At $500 I'd get the sealed Monolith 10" over the SB1000, but the Mono doesn't have free return shipping.
You might want to post this question about all 4 subs in the Subwoofers forum, you'll get more feedback there.
That is a terrific price on that sub.Honestly for my situation it seems like the JBL is a no brainer. Thanks for sharing. The monoprice stuff really interests me. Might be something I explore in the future.
Another knock against JBL/Harman is that they NEVER extend their sale prices to Canada. We cannot even purchase the 590s up here of the JBL Canada site.That is a terrific price on that sub.
Photos of the main driver here.
Glad your first step in this journey was a very positive one with the Evos.
Another knock against JBL/Harman is that they NEVER extend their sale prices to Canada. We cannot even purchase the 590s up here of the JBL Canada site.
Your impressions mirror mine almost entirely when I home demoed the Primes a few years ago; the only exception being I thought the Primes' mid-bass punch was quite impressive. But yeah, I couldn't tolerate the screeching treble...the track that broke the camel's back for that was "Moanin'" by Charles Mingus, where the horn crescendo sent me running for the remote to turn it the F down, lol.Low end:
- Weak point for me
- It feels unrefined
- it digs deep on modern 808 tracks but I did not like the low end sound with live drums and instruments like Neil young, Stevie Wonder, Steely Dan, Dire Straits, Pink Floyd, etc
- Not sure what it was but I just know for my ears between the SVS Prime's and the EVO 4.1's the EVO's are the clear winner in this department
[*]They are detailed in the highs and it’s great but it does introduce some fatigue after a while. I started to notice this after a few Stevie Wonder songs. The cymbals and brass sections sound great and detailed but my ears were getting tired of so much of it being in your face.
- I find these to be less 'musical' than the EVO's
- Rock sounds really nice on these for some reason. Metallica's - Blitzkrieg was a great listen on these
- These are absolutely OUTSTANDING for home theater use. These stomp the Wharfedale EVO 4.1s in the home theater department. I have no idea how that works and am unable to articulate the difference well but I hear it. They seem to have great separation and clarity between all the different sounds. It feels like everything has its own space. The EVO's aren't bad at all but these SVS Primes shine in this department.
- I don’t love them for music but for some reason they come to life when watching movies
- Soundstage is good but the center stage I guess is less defined and clear compared to the wharfedales. Centered vocals don’t sound as centered. (I hope that makes sense to some of you more experienced audiophiles)
- It’s only been a day of listening and they are just too bright for me. Adjusting EQ to offset the in your face treble is an uphill battle to change a speaker that ultimately is not right for me
- If I was using this speaker for movies only it would be a great choice - If I had the space for a Home Theater only room and a listening room, these would be keepers in the HT
Your impressions mirror mine almost entirely when I home demoed the Primes a few years ago; the only exception being I thought the Primes' mid-bass punch was quite impressive. But yeah, I couldn't tolerate the screeching treble...the track that broke the camel's back for that was "Moanin'" by Charles Mingus, where the horn crescendo sent me running for the remote to turn it the F down, lol.
If you like the Primes' clarity and dynamics but want to avoid its treble brightness, the Ascend 170SE would be a much better choice---although I don't find the same Wharfedale magic in the Ascends though, but I'm willing to live with less treble detail/dynamics for a lusher midrange. The kicker is that the 170SE is $200 cheaper than the Primes, while you can get its dual woofer big brother (340SE) for the same price as the Primes which gives you 90% of the room-filling headroom/dynamics of a tower. This is why I find SVS such a dismal bang-for-the-buck proposition.