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So far from what I understand, to get 3D we need:

1. 3D TV

2. 3D source such as 3D Blu-ray player or PS3

3. Shutter glasses (the fact these cost $150 each is going to make adoption slow)


Where to current HDMI 1.3 receivers fit into this? I've seen nowhere mentioning whether we can connect both 3D devices to our HDMI 1.3 receivers and have 3D working as intended? If we don't have a 1.4 receiver (my brother currently has a PS3 and a 3D capable Samsung LED DLP RPTV and a 1.3 receiver) will we have to connect the PS3 directly to the TV to get 3D?
 

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If we don't have a 1.4 receiver (my brother currently has a PS3 and a 3D capable Samsung LED DLP RPTV and a 1.3 receiver) will we have to connect the PS3 directly to the TV to get 3D?

Yes, except a 1.3 receiver might work for the low res 3D from DirecTV (I haven't heard about that one way or the other).
 

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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 /forum/post/18305365


So far from what I understand, to get 3D we need:

1. 3D TV

2. 3D source such as 3D Blu-ray player or PS3

3. Shutter glasses (the fact these cost $150 each is going to make adoption slow)


Where to current HDMI 1.3 receivers fit into this? I've seen nowhere mentioning whether we can connect both 3D devices to our HDMI 1.3 receivers and have 3D working as intended? If we don't have a 1.4 receiver (my brother currently has a PS3 and a 3D capable Samsung LED DLP RPTV and a 1.3 receiver) will we have to connect the PS3 directly to the TV to get 3D?

From what we know so far an AVR with HDMI 1.4(a) inputs/output would be needed it you want to pass the video thru the AVR then on to the 3D HDTV display. However, there may (or may not) be some upcoming 3D BD players and 3D HDTVs that allow the user to force a 3D mode that doesn't rely on the addition information that is only carried with HDMI 1.4 (and not passed by a AVR with HDMI 1.3). If some 1st generation 3D devices do support such a forced mode it would be there to accommodate use of HDMI 1.3 AVRs and switches, but its only speculation at this point if such backward compatibilty will be offered or not. One alternative for using the PS3 as the 3D source would be to use its optical output for the audio (i.e., no lossless Dolby of DTS formats supported however) to the AVR then run the HDMI output directly to the 3D HDTV. This would certainly work and all you would be missing is lossless audio support. Alternatively Panasonic is planning to offer a Blu-ray 3D player with two HDMI outputs where one is HDMI 1.4 for connection to the 3D HDTV (or HDMI 1.4 capable AVR) and the other is a HDMI 1.3 for connection to the AVR for audio (allowing support for all audio formats). Another alternative would be to get a Blu-ray 3D player will internal lossless audio decoding and 7.1 analog audio outputs (for connection to the AVR) and then use the HDMI output to carry the video directly to the 3D HDTV.
 

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Thanks to both responses. They're basically asking us to refurnish our entire setup. That's a no-no for me, I may suggest new comers to home theaters a 3D setup but it's too costly for anyone who already invested so much in their rigs. Not to mention even to just check it out on a PS3 plus DLP RPTV we'd still need to shell out $150 minimum for glasses.
 

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Thanks to both responses. They're basically asking us to refurnish our entire setup. That's a no-no for me, I may suggest new comers to home theaters a 3D setup but it's too costly for anyone who already invested so much in their rigs. Not to mention even to just check it out on a PS3 plus DLP RPTV we'd still need to shell out $150 minimum for glasses.

Don't forget another $100 or so for the 3DC-1000 converter
 

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its turning into a cash grab.

Oh - you mean HD wasn't?


Anyone remember the prices for HDTVs in 1999?


I do:


$7000 for the Panasonic HD RPTV and $15,000 for the Pioneer HD PDP.
 

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Oh - you mean HD wasn't?


Anyone remember the prices for HDTVs in 1999?


I do:


$7000 for the Panasonic HD RPTV and $15,000 for the Pioneer HD PDP.

back when HD first came out though no one really had a dedicated home theater and those costs were entry costs rather than replacing existing system that is working fine to get a new tech. A new tech that isn't always in use.


There is also the issue of replacing high-end current equipment with inferior 3D equipment kinda like how many here who had $2000 non-HDMI AVRs not wanting to spend so much again but also don't want inferior AVR. I currently have a Kuro non-Elite 50" and an Oppo BD-83 and I don't think I'd replace either for 3D.
 

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back when HD first came out though no one really had a dedicated home theater and those costs were entry costs rather than replacing existing system that is working fine to get a new tech. A new tech that isn't always in use.

What's the entry level cost for 3D? Less than $3500 and that includes a 3DTV, a 3D BD player and 2 pair of ASGs


And a 3DTV is a HDTV also.


It's like owning an HDTV that deals with 1080x24P properly. The feature only works when watching 24P content.

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There is also the issue of replacing high-end current equipment with inferior 3D equipment kinda like how many here who had $2000 non-HDMI AVRs not wanting to spend so much again but also don't want inferior AVR. I currently have a Kuro non-Elite 50" and an Oppo BD-83 and I don't think I'd replace either for 3D.

You are saying the 50" Panasonic 3D TV is an "inferior piece of equipment?"


What you do is not indicitive of what everyone will do.
 

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back when HD first came out though no one really had a dedicated home theater and those costs were entry costs rather than replacing existing system that is working fine to get a new tech. A new tech that isn't always in use.


There is also the issue of replacing high-end current equipment with inferior 3D equipment kinda like how many here who had $2000 non-HDMI AVRs not wanting to spend so much again but also don't want inferior AVR. I currently have a Kuro non-Elite 50" and an Oppo BD-83 and I don't think I'd replace either for 3D.

Not true - You are either young or not an early adopter. I built my first dedicated home theater 35 (not a typo) years ago (CRT front projector with a 78" screen) and already had a CRT front projector (my 3rd generation one) capable of HD about 8 years before the first HD broadcast channel went operational. If you want to jump on the bandwagon for most any new consumer technology then you will be paying a premium price and within a few years prices work there way down to what the mainstream consumers can affort. While I'm sure you feel you paid a premium price for your Kuro plasma, just remember that for the first few years after Pioneer introduced their first plasma TVs (and not full 1080p back then) the going price for a 50" model was about $15K and if you consider inflation that would be more like $25K in today's dollars.
 

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What's the entry level cost for 3D? Less than $3500 and that includes a 3DTV, a 3D BD player and 2 pair of ASGs

2 pairs really isn't enough, certainly not if you have a family or like to invite friends over for movies. You're also not including a new receiver. While $4k+ might not be too bad for entry level, it's hard to justify for those who already have a complete rig, especially considering the tech doesn't apply to half of what we watch. This also is kind of a all at once type upgrade rather than piece by piece.

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You are saying the 50" Panasonic 3D TV is an "inferior piece of equipment?"


What you do is not indicative of what everyone will do.

I admit this part is not applicable to most. From the reviews I've read on the VT25/20 it doesn't quite match up to a Kuro, though it should best most other TVs. It certainly would be my choice if and when I take the 3D plunge.


How many of you guys already got on the 3D bandwagon or plan to when the 3D Blu-rays start coming out? Also do you guys think we will get to a point where every week there's a 3D Blu-ray release?
 

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2 pairs really isn't enough, certainly not if you have a family or like to invite friends over for movies.

It's a start. 3 extra pair will run about $450 giving you 5 pair. It is what it is. In my application - all I need is 2.

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You're also not including a new receiver.

This issue is still up in the air. We are getting conflicting reports from people in the know. It can be side stepped with the Panasonic 3D BD players.

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While $4k+ might not be too bad for entry level, it's hard to justify for those who already have a complete rig, especially considering the tech doesn't apply to half of what we watch. This also is kind of a all at once type upgrade rather than piece by piece.

If you compare that $4K to the prices for a new color TV in 1953 or a new HDTV in 1999 - it's a flat out bargin.


Yes - it is a complete upgrade - which is necessary if you want to "jump into 3D." But then again - HDTV came out in 1999 and HDM didn't until 2006.

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I admit this part is not applicable to most. From the reviews I've read on the VT25/20 it doesn't quite match up to a Kuro, though it should best most other TVs. It certainly would be my choice if and when I take the 3D plunge.

The Kuro was a great display. Best of the best. They are no longer made.

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How many of you guys already got on the 3D bandwagon or plan to when the 3D Blu-rays start coming out?

I plan to. Do the whole upgrade - 3DTV, 3D BD player and 1.4 AVR. Move all my existing HDTV equipment to my sons room and sell off his HDTV. If I can hold out till March 2011 (
) I will. If not - then probably Q4 but not sooner.

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Also do you guys think we will get to a point where every week there's a 3D Blu-ray release?

Probably not. They just don't make that many 3D movies and many in the "library" are . . . . questionable at best. 2 a month would be nice especially if they start doing the IMAX 3D docs.
 

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I plan to. Do the whole upgrade - 3DTV, 3D BD player and 1.4 AVR. Move all my existing HDTV equipment to my sons room and sell off his HDTV. If I can hold out till March 2011 (
) I will. If not - then probably Q4 but not sooner.


Probably not. They just don't make that many 3D movies and many in the "library" are . . . . questionable at best. 2 a month would be nice especially if they start doing the IMAX 3D docs.

Thanks for the insight. As for me I likely will not upgrade until the Kuro wears out. Sooner if I had a place to move existing equipment to. I will however recommend my friends looking into home theater setups to consider 3D when they ask me about these things.
 

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2 pairs really isn't enough, certainly not if you have a family or like to invite friends over for movies. You're also not including a new receiver. While $4k+ might not be too bad for entry level, it's hard to justify for those who already have a complete rig, especially considering the tech doesn't apply to half of what we watch. This also is kind of a all at once type upgrade rather than piece by piece.




I admit this part is not applicable to most. From the reviews I've read on the VT25/20 it doesn't quite match up to a Kuro, though it should best most other TVs. It certainly would be my choice if and when I take the 3D plunge.


How many of you guys already got on the 3D bandwagon or plan to when the 3D Blu-rays start coming out? Also do you guys think we will get to a point where every week there's a 3D Blu-ray release?

I have experienced 3D for over 70 hours playing Avatar on Xbox360 on 82" Mitsubishi DLP. My cost was $112 for two pair of shutter glasses with emitter from IO Display Systems. The 3D is outstanding. My plan is to buy every 3D BR movie and use my upgradable PS3 plus future convertor from Mitsubishi. Future games could also be 3D.


Looking back I was the first buyer from our local store for the first 65" DLP Mitsubishi for $15,000. The DLP chip technology sounded amazing plus you could hook your computer to it. Two years ago gave it away to a friend when I bought my 3D ready 73" for $3,700. Now the 73" is in the bedroom replaced by the 82" for $3,600. So I have been waiting for two years to enjoy 3D and the time has finally come.
 

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You can go video HDMi direct to projector . display, optical audio to AVR. I see no reason to have to replace the AVR.

You'd lose out on lossless audio in that setup.
 

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Yes on the no lossless, but legacy digital audio works fine. So you do not have to change your avr out.


One cable to the display would be lost too. But once again you do not have to change out your avr for it to work.



For those that just have to have the lossless there are and will also be 3D BD players with two HDMI outputs once again allowing you to not have to replace the AVR.
 

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For those that just have to have the lossless there are and will also be 3D BD players with two HDMI outputs once again allowing you to not have to replace the AVR.

Oh yeah there is that.
 
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