can you upgrade the ram? that will have the biggest impact on perforamnce.....and yes you need x64 version of Vista
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Hey all
Just a quick question. I got a new Canon HF100 for Christmas. All I really want to do with it is make SD and HD DVDs but I also want to experiment with video editing. Knowing I was probably getting a HD camcorder I knew my PC didn't have enough HP for editing so I ordered a Dell XPS M1730 laptop with the following configuration:
XPS M1730, Intel Core 2 Extreme X9000(2.8GHz, 800Mhz 6M L2 Cache)
4GB, DDR2, 667MHz 2 Dimm for XPS M1730
NVIDIA SLI Dual GeForce 8700MGT with 512MB GDDR3 Memory
320GB 7200RPM Hard Drive with Free Fall Sensor, Seagate
Microsoft Windows Vista SP1 Home Premium Edition
17 UltraSharp TrueLife Wide screen WUXGA
Will this laptop have enough HP to do the most extreme video editing or is it lacking something? (Not that I will be doing intensive editing I just want to know if it can handle it) The CPU can be over clocked to 3.2 MZ if necessary
Will Vista 32 bit be enough or is 64 bit better? (I realize 32 bit won't recognize the extra GIG of ram. I can't understand why Dell didn't offer 64 bit as an option since they put 4 gigs of memory)
I would appreciate you input / advice.
Thanks .........Frank
Just a quick question. I got a new Canon HF100 for Christmas. All I really want to do with it is make SD and HD DVDs but I also want to experiment with video editing. Knowing I was probably getting a HD camcorder I knew my PC didn't have enough HP for editing so I ordered a Dell XPS M1730 laptop with the following configuration:
XPS M1730, Intel Core 2 Extreme X9000(2.8GHz, 800Mhz 6M L2 Cache)
4GB, DDR2, 667MHz 2 Dimm for XPS M1730
NVIDIA SLI Dual GeForce 8700MGT with 512MB GDDR3 Memory
320GB 7200RPM Hard Drive with Free Fall Sensor, Seagate
Microsoft Windows Vista SP1 Home Premium Edition
17 UltraSharp TrueLife Wide screen WUXGA
Will this laptop have enough HP to do the most extreme video editing or is it lacking something? (Not that I will be doing intensive editing I just want to know if it can handle it) The CPU can be over clocked to 3.2 MZ if necessary
Will Vista 32 bit be enough or is 64 bit better? (I realize 32 bit won't recognize the extra GIG of ram. I can't understand why Dell didn't offer 64 bit as an option since they put 4 gigs of memory)
I would appreciate you input / advice.
Thanks .........Frank
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Yes I can upgrade the ram. So are you saying 4 gigs is not enough? How do you thing it will edit video as is?
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai /forum/post/15401776
can you upgrade the ram? that will have the biggest impact on perforamnce.....and yes you need x64 version of Vista
Yes I can upgrade the ram. So are you saying 4 gigs is not enough? How do you thing it will edit video as is?
I run vista x64 on my laptop and it eat 1.7GB just by it's self
more ram and 64bit editing application = more stuff into memory and faster crunch times as machine is no thrashing hdd as much
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Originally Posted by fakerley /forum/post/15401824
Yes I can upgrade the ram. So are you saying 4 gigs is not enough? How do you thing it will edit video as is?
I run vista x64 on my laptop and it eat 1.7GB just by it's self
more ram and 64bit editing application = more stuff into memory and faster crunch times as machine is no thrashing hdd as much
I somewhat disagree. True, the more RAM the better, but I don't think he would see much improvement going from 4GB to 6/8GB. The main issue is the CPU power. This is one area where Core 2 Quad would work faster and better than Core 2 Duo. But you choice would be very limited. I don't think Dell has Core 2 Quad laptop yet.
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai /forum/post/15401776
can you upgrade the ram? that will have the biggest impact on perforamnce.....and yes you need x64 version of Vista
I somewhat disagree. True, the more RAM the better, but I don't think he would see much improvement going from 4GB to 6/8GB. The main issue is the CPU power. This is one area where Core 2 Quad would work faster and better than Core 2 Duo. But you choice would be very limited. I don't think Dell has Core 2 Quad laptop yet.
if he wants to use all 4gigs, he's gotta use vista (insert version here) x64.
Vista x64 home premium/ultimate take between 1.2-1.7gb of ram for the OS and a virus scanner. that leaves him with only 2GB most newer applications are large address space aware and can use up to 4GB ram....not to mention that laptop hard drives are usually 5400 rpm and some are even 4800......7200 drive are a vailable but u gotta pay for that and money is better spent on ram......
there is a quad core out there
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834114635
but at $2500 it is not a bargain or even remotely affordable........
best bet is to get a c2d with as much ram as possible and a Nvidia 8600 or better and use power director V7 or later... (CUDA support)
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Originally Posted by kalak /forum/post/15402537
I somewhat disagree. True, the more RAM the better, but I don't think he would see much improvement going from 4GB to 6/8GB. The main issue is the CPU power. This is one area where Core 2 Quad would work faster and better than Core 2 Duo. But you choice would be very limited. I don't think Dell has Core 2 Quad laptop yet.
if he wants to use all 4gigs, he's gotta use vista (insert version here) x64.
Vista x64 home premium/ultimate take between 1.2-1.7gb of ram for the OS and a virus scanner. that leaves him with only 2GB most newer applications are large address space aware and can use up to 4GB ram....not to mention that laptop hard drives are usually 5400 rpm and some are even 4800......7200 drive are a vailable but u gotta pay for that and money is better spent on ram......
there is a quad core out there
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834114635
but at $2500 it is not a bargain or even remotely affordable........
best bet is to get a c2d with as much ram as possible and a Nvidia 8600 or better and use power director V7 or later... (CUDA support)
The hard drive is 7200 rpm. The processor is duo core 2.8 ghz and I thought that would be high enough for editing. I will probably go to Vista 64 after I try it out as is.
The laptop was made for extreeme gaming so I thought it would do video editing nicly too.
What say you?
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai /forum/post/15402620
if he wants to use all 4gigs, he's gotta use vista (insert version here) x64.
Vista x64 home premium/ultimate take between 1.2-1.7gb of ram for the OS and a virus scanner. that leaves him with only 2GB most newer applications are lag address space aware and can use up to 4GB ram....not to mention that laptop hard drives are usually 5400 rpm and some are even 4800......7200 drive are a vailable but u gotta pay for that and money is better spent on ram......
there is a quad core out there
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834114635
but at $2500 it is not a bargain or even remotely affordable........
best bet is to get a c2d with as much ram as possible and a Nvidia 8600 or better and use power director V7 or later... (CUDA support)
The hard drive is 7200 rpm. The processor is duo core 2.8 ghz and I thought that would be high enough for editing. I will probably go to Vista 64 after I try it out as is.
The laptop was made for extreeme gaming so I thought it would do video editing nicly too.
What say you?
that will be sufficient, what video card in there?
how old is it?
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Originally Posted by fakerley /forum/post/15403564
The hard drive is 7200 rpm. The processor is duo core 2.8 ghz and I thought that would be high enough for editing. I will probably go to Vista 64 after I try it out as is.
The laptop was made for extreeme gaming so I thought it would do video editing nicly too.
What say you?
that will be sufficient, what video card in there?
how old is it?
The editor you choose is also very important to determine what components should be beefed up. For example, Vegas 8 Pro doesn't care too much about the video card but Adobe Premiere does. RAM is more important to Vegas than to Premiere. Some programs make use of a quad core CPU and some just don't. Few programs really use the potential of Vista 64.
The video card is NVIDIA SLI Dual GeForce 8700MGT with 512MB GDDR3 Memory.
As I said the laptop is on order now from Dell. I expect to get it shipped here next week.
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai /forum/post/15408755
that will be sufficient, what video card in there?
how old is it?
The video card is NVIDIA SLI Dual GeForce 8700MGT with 512MB GDDR3 Memory.
As I said the laptop is on order now from Dell. I expect to get it shipped here next week.
I haven't even begun to read up on which software to use yet but since you mentioned it, based on the configuration of the laptop I listed at the beginning of this post, what would you suggest?
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Originally Posted by slimoli /forum/post/15408970
The editor you choose is also very important to determine what components should be beefed up. For example, Vegas 8 Pro doesn't care too much about the video card but Adobe Premiere does. RAM is more important to Vegas than to Premiere. Some programs make use of a quad core CPU and some just don't. Few programs really use the potential of Vista 64.
I haven't even begun to read up on which software to use yet but since you mentioned it, based on the configuration of the laptop I listed at the beginning of this post, what would you suggest?
I use the Vegas 8 Pro , the CD version from B&H Video for US$ 129.00. It doesn't come with DVD Architect , so you need another program to author Bluray/DVD (I use Ulead VS11+ just to author the disks).
Vegas Pro is a "prosumer" editor, much more powerful than the consumer versions. I can only recommend it if you really wanna do serious editing . The learning curve can be pretty steep and maybe you can do all you want with Ulead VS12 , which is far more user friendly.
You are going to deal with AVCHD and should expect slow performance with any of the existing consumer programs. We are all waiting for announcements of new versions that should support AVCHD much better, maybe in 2 weeks some intel will come up from CES.
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Originally Posted by fakerley /forum/post/15410434
I haven't even begun to read up on which software to use yet but since you mentioned it, based on the configuration of the laptop I listed at the beginning of this post, what would you suggest?
I use the Vegas 8 Pro , the CD version from B&H Video for US$ 129.00. It doesn't come with DVD Architect , so you need another program to author Bluray/DVD (I use Ulead VS11+ just to author the disks).
Vegas Pro is a "prosumer" editor, much more powerful than the consumer versions. I can only recommend it if you really wanna do serious editing . The learning curve can be pretty steep and maybe you can do all you want with Ulead VS12 , which is far more user friendly.
You are going to deal with AVCHD and should expect slow performance with any of the existing consumer programs. We are all waiting for announcements of new versions that should support AVCHD much better, maybe in 2 weeks some intel will come up from CES.
Wouldn't closing down some of the peripheral things that Vista does that aren't really necessary free up some RAM. I have 32 bit Home Basic and I don't run most of the things that make vista cooler than xp.
By the way, I have a HP dv6205 with 2 gigs of RAM, Pentium Dual Core T2060 @ 1.60ghz. I am definitely not an expert when it comes to this.
By the way, I have a HP dv6205 with 2 gigs of RAM, Pentium Dual Core T2060 @ 1.60ghz. I am definitely not an expert when it comes to this.
Power director 7 and you will be able to encode stuff fairly quickly.........
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Originally Posted by fakerley /forum/post/15410410
The video card is NVIDIA SLI Dual GeForce 8700MGT with 512MB GDDR3 Memory.
As I said the laptop is on order now from Dell. I expect to get it shipped here next week.
Power director 7 and you will be able to encode stuff fairly quickly.........
Interesting thread. This Dell laptop sounds very good.
I am editing video and I'm working with Finale Allegro music composition software. I wonder if a laptop with lesser specs than the Dell fakerley is getting would work without having the dreaded spinning hourglass.
I've read that 2.4 ghz is the minimum speed for any editing laptop. Would 667 frontend be good enough or is 800 the need frontend?
And is SLI important in editing? I did read earlier in this about which programs make use of the video card capabilities.
Thanks for any direction.
I am editing video and I'm working with Finale Allegro music composition software. I wonder if a laptop with lesser specs than the Dell fakerley is getting would work without having the dreaded spinning hourglass.
I've read that 2.4 ghz is the minimum speed for any editing laptop. Would 667 frontend be good enough or is 800 the need frontend?
And is SLI important in editing? I did read earlier in this about which programs make use of the video card capabilities.
Thanks for any direction.
I don't think the SLI won't be much of a factor from what I've read but maybe I am wrong. I think processor speed and memory have the most impact on video editing.
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Originally Posted by Cyrano /forum/post/15415534
Interesting thread. This Dell laptop sounds very good.
I am editing video and I'm working with Finale Allegro music composition software. I wonder if a laptop with lesser specs than the Dell fakerley is getting would work without having the dreaded spinning hourglass.
I've read that 2.4 ghz is the minimum speed for any editing laptop. Would 667 frontend be good enough or is 800 the need frontend?
And is SLI important in editing? I did read earlier in this about which programs make use of the video card capabilities.
Thanks for any direction.
I don't think the SLI won't be much of a factor from what I've read but maybe I am wrong. I think processor speed and memory have the most impact on video editing.
It all depends on what type of video format you will be working with. For mpeg2, DV or HDV, most higher end laptop should do fine; but for AVCHD or H.264, most laptop would slow to a craw. CPU and software implementation are the main factor.
Software such as Corel X2Pro and Nero which can do smart rendering could save you hours of encoding. For CPU, quad core really shines with software which can take advantage of it. For example, a first gen quad core Q6600 at stock speed can outperform a E8400 overclocked to 4.2 GHz in H.264 video rendering. Quad core laptops are coming onto the market as we speak (here's Acer's $1,800 entry ), and something I would wait for if you do a lot of AVCHD editing/encoding.
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Originally Posted by Cyrano /forum/post/15415534
I've read that 2.4 ghz is the minimum speed for any editing laptop.
It all depends on what type of video format you will be working with. For mpeg2, DV or HDV, most higher end laptop should do fine; but for AVCHD or H.264, most laptop would slow to a craw. CPU and software implementation are the main factor.
Software such as Corel X2Pro and Nero which can do smart rendering could save you hours of encoding. For CPU, quad core really shines with software which can take advantage of it. For example, a first gen quad core Q6600 at stock speed can outperform a E8400 overclocked to 4.2 GHz in H.264 video rendering. Quad core laptops are coming onto the market as we speak (here's Acer's $1,800 entry ), and something I would wait for if you do a lot of AVCHD editing/encoding.
Thanks Kalak - That's good advice. I think I will follow it. I have a Q6600 in a (cheapo) Gateway and editing is really enjoyable now. The rendering time is faster, and so is the actual editing speed. I wouldn't want anything slower.
The Acer site one is directed to is still not listing the 8930G-7665. Great specs on the 8930G-7665 in your link, btw. I want one. Real soon.
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Thanks for the info fakerley.
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Originally Posted by kalak /forum/post/15417540
It all depends on what type of video format you will be working with. For mpeg2, DV or HDV, most higher end laptop should do fine; but for AVCHD or H.264, most laptop would slow to a craw. CPU and software implementation are the main factor.
Software such as Corel X2Pro and Nero which can do smart rendering could save you hours of encoding. For CPU, quad core really shines with software which can take advantage of it. For example, a first gen quad core Q6600 at stock speed can outperform a E8400 overclocked to 4.2 GHz in H.264 video rendering. Quad core laptops are coming onto the market as we speak (here's Acer's $1,800 entry ), and something I would wait for if you do a lot of AVCHD editing/encoding.
Thanks Kalak - That's good advice. I think I will follow it. I have a Q6600 in a (cheapo) Gateway and editing is really enjoyable now. The rendering time is faster, and so is the actual editing speed. I wouldn't want anything slower.
The Acer site one is directed to is still not listing the 8930G-7665. Great specs on the 8930G-7665 in your link, btw. I want one. Real soon.
Thanks for the info fakerley.
yes for editing on canons site they demand at least 2.13 Core 2 duo, for 24 mbps hcvd
I have a 1.83 Core 2 duo 3 gigs ram with all the other requirements met,
I wonder if the end result would work, no transitions and such, just to save to dvdr in acvh format for blue ray.
I have a imac thats ok, but this other laptop I picked up this summer and would love to be able to use it also for this or at least partially, maybe if I did some stuff in SP mode for this Laptop 7 mbps it might work on this one maybe up to 17 mbps
I just wondering before I try it
I have a 1.83 Core 2 duo 3 gigs ram with all the other requirements met,
I wonder if the end result would work, no transitions and such, just to save to dvdr in acvh format for blue ray.
I have a imac thats ok, but this other laptop I picked up this summer and would love to be able to use it also for this or at least partially, maybe if I did some stuff in SP mode for this Laptop 7 mbps it might work on this one maybe up to 17 mbps
I just wondering before I try it
download some of the hf11 avchd test clips from dvinfo.net, see how they work on your computer.
the problem with core2duo is that some editing systems don't have acclerated video playback on the timeline, so there isn't enough cpu power to play the video back, that's why a fast quad core is recommended... however, the video editor in nero does have that accelerated video capability, and it will do smart rendering, so it's one option to look at.
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Originally Posted by willyqbc /forum/post/15420668
yes for editing on canons site they demand at least 2.13 Core 2 duo, for 24 mbps hcvd
I have a 1.83 Core 2 duo 3 gigs ram with all the other requirements met,
I wonder if the end result would work, no transitions and such, just to save to dvdr in acvh format for blue ray.
I have a imac thats ok, but this other laptop I picked up this summer and would love to be able to use it also for this or at least partially, maybe if I did some stuff in SP mode for this Laptop 7 mbps it might work on this one maybe up to 17 mbps
I just wondering before I try it
download some of the hf11 avchd test clips from dvinfo.net, see how they work on your computer.
the problem with core2duo is that some editing systems don't have acclerated video playback on the timeline, so there isn't enough cpu power to play the video back, that's why a fast quad core is recommended... however, the video editor in nero does have that accelerated video capability, and it will do smart rendering, so it's one option to look at.
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