Originally Posted by DonoMan /forum/post/15404808
No, don't go for an external amp just to drive B25s. Their excursion and thermal power handling aren't good enough to bother. If you want more then you need better speakers.
What are the products that you would recommend? Seriously. I'm sure there's stuff, I just don't know it. However, the B25s are the largest bookshelves being had for $350 that I've seen, though I'm sure there's probably larger.
Originally Posted by DonoMan /forum/post/15407492
You don't necessarily have to spend more to get more output. PSB's Image line is not overpriced but that doesn't mean you can't get more output for the money without going down in quality.
You can say the same thing about speakers as you can for engines: There's no replacement for displacement.
What are the recommendations? I'm curious!
Originally Posted by TPnBobcats /forum/post/15407505
I wouldn't worry about it that much with bookshelf speakers like you have. Its the lower mid-range/base that really takes the power in speakers. With a 6.5" mid-range driver, you just simply aren't going to be able to go that low.
I've run 4 ohm nominal speakers (LSi15, LSiC, LSiFX) off of a pioneer elite AVR for several years and it's worked just fine. Things definitely have more punch running them off of an XPA-5, but it's not like it didn't work at all before.
In short, you need better/bigger speakers before it's really going to make a huge difference.
I agree with the last part. However, even if buying a beefy receiver, or outboard amp, is not the best way to go about this (which I agree with), if the OP doesn't have money for it, I'm not sure if I can recommend that receiver... the only other solution is to simply turn it down.
Originally Posted by notoriousmatty /forum/post/15407621
in my 12x12 room im getting some distortion turning the receiver up to -12 which I listen at. Explosions / screaming. I use reference quality blurays in audio such as band of brothers and im still getting these almost a crackling ripping noise. All im trying to do is smooth this out im not really looking to start a rave club. 1000 bucks seems like a fair price to pay in order to improve the sound this way. Im not really looking to upgrade speakrs because at 400 bucks a pair its all im going to afford.
I've watched the entire BoB BD set already, and Carentan at least three times. Dude, these discs are extremely dynamic, and there is a LOT of serious midbass peaking going on during battles. I am using a 7.1 set PSB Images, sitting decently far, with -7.5 as the default for a while. As I recently induced some ringing of the ears, I've been taking it down to around -8.5/9 recently. The Images handles everything I throw at em, but the B25s are only doing surround duty.
From stereophile a few years back:
I can't recall a single area where that older, more expensive speaker outperformed the Image B25—it impressed me in many areas and let me down in none. I can't think of a single other speaker for less than $500/pair that outperforms the PSB Image B25. Congratulations, Paul.
There was a somewhat recent shootout that Craigsub did, many of the details I do not remember. While the Images didn't finish first by any means, they were particularly noted for their ability to crank! However, there weren't any towers competing in the bookshelf shootout...
Originally Posted by DonoMan /forum/post/15407882
That's not all that impressive. And cutting out the bass is a hack of an idea, not a real solution, IMO. You can/should only bring a subwoofer up so much....
My B25s have no problem at 80hz or even 60hz, but only as surrounds as aforementioned. Running full range, they do choke out for sure.
edit: I just wanted to reiterate that I think out of my entire collection, Band of Brothers probably has the most amount of serious midbass peaks. Its often the midbass where the minimal impedances are reached with modern speakers. I wouldnt' be surprised at all that the Denon just can't cut it. Like I said, my Images have handled EVERYTHING I throw at em in a multi row dedicated theater... but I am powering it with a NAD amp...