Our native mobile app has a new name: Fora Communities. Learn more.

Nero, HOW Do I tell it NOT TO re-encode?

2074 Views 26 Replies 13 Participants Last post by esoh, Feb 24, 2005

dyker

Discussion Starter · Feb 18, 2005

Can someone please answer this question. I have the latest version of NeroVision Express 3 SE. If I bring in 2 files that are about 1.2 G each, it "stretches" each file to nearly 4G each. And then it complains to me that the files are too big and asks if I want to change the quality. These are files I know are already cool cuz I created them with VideoReDo.

I find this extremely frustrating becuase it want to re-encode the video on burning and waste a lot of time. I like the interface of Nero, but hate the re-encoding. This is unlike the tial version of TMPGEnc that I'm trying as it doesn't do ANY re-encoding.

Please, I'm very frustrated here and could beat these DVDs to pieces... what am I doing wrong in Nero. It is so highly recommended so I must have a setting wrong somewhere... where is the "don't screw with the MPG file" setting so that burning goes faster. Every time I add these files it says "Your project currently requires more disc space than available on teh selected destination device" and I'm about to throw this computer out the window. I don't want to pay $75 for the TMPGEnc unless I have to as I've already paid for Nero. This re-encoding is a huge time waster.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Status: Not open for further replies.

1 - 20 of 27 Posts

dyker

Discussion Starter · #2 · Feb 18, 2005

OK. I guess the answer is "you can't". I find this out AFTER I paid $25 more to unlock the MPEG2/4 so I could burn DVDs.

Live and learn. I guess I'll be paying TMPGEnc $75 or whatever it is for their program.

collin

· #3 · Feb 18, 2005

another cheap-ish program that doesn't reencode is Ulead DVD Movie Factory (2 or 3). I had lots of good luck with version 2 but recently got version 3 and have had a couple of problems with that so far, although i haven't fully worked things out yet to figure out what's going wrong.

Slack

· #4 · Feb 18, 2005

get DVDlab and fah-get-about-it.

chain777

· #5 · Feb 18, 2005

dyker, I hope you didn't buy any other software.

The latest version of Nero doesn't re-encode Replay files.

1. Use Nero Vision Express (version 3.0.1.27 is the latest, update if you don't have this version).

2. Be sure you check the "enable smart encoding" in the default video options general tab.

3. Set everything to automatic in the DVD tab, or whatever format you're using.

You can verify that the project isn't going to re-encode the video by expanding the details tab in the last step before burning. It will say "100%(or close to it)" next to the video, indicating it's compliant. The audio will always need to be re-encoded, and will say "0%" next to the audio.

It's as fast as the other methods now, just be sure you're using the latest version. The previous versions all re-encoded.

I've mentioned all of this in a couple other theads, but it seems it's being overlooked.

See less See more

dyker

Discussion Starter · #6 · Feb 18, 2005

chain, thanks for the info. I'm out 'till Saturday night to try this but will definitely give it a whirl when I get back. U might have saved me $75

By checking those options, will it stop warning me "Your project currently requires more disc space ..."

PS, is audio always re-encoded no matter if you use TmpGenc or another package? Or is it just Nero that always re-encodes the audio. Sorry to ask such basic questions... actually I'm glad I asked the first one

chain777

· #7 · Feb 18, 2005

The reason you're getting the 'more space needed' message is that the video re-encoding is inflating the size of the file. You won't have that problem with the new version.

The audio files have to be made DVD compliant. Any software needs to do this step, not just Nero. It's much faster than re-encoding the video though. It only takes a few minutes vs. a few hours.

It takes my system (P-4 1.7 w/512) about 10 minutes per half hour of video to process. That's the time it takes from clicking on 'burn' in Nero to spitting out a DVD burned at 4x.

dyker

Discussion Starter · #8 · Feb 18, 2005

Chain, I think u saved me $75

VERY VERY COOL!!

quick question... is there an quick way on Nero to force a chapter every X minutes without running auto-detect to look for fade-in/out?

chain777

· #9 · Feb 18, 2005

I don't know if you can specify the minutes, but besides auto-detect, there's an option to automatically create chapters. It creates a chapter every 2 minutes.

Scallica

· #10 · Feb 19, 2005

I would strongly suggest using Ulead's DVD Movie Factory 2.

You can find this on ebay for a little as $9.95!!

I have had much success with this program. Be sure to visit their website and download all the necessary patches....I believe there are three.

-Scallica-

chain777

· #11 · Feb 19, 2005

That's a good suggestion, except he's already paid for Nero.

Clay Schneider

· #12 · Feb 19, 2005

Ok, here's the deal. I have 9 arrested developments with commercials removed with videoredo. All 9 fit on just fine on a single layer dvd using MF3 with a 3 page top level menu and selected stills for each of the 9. In fact, they take up only 2.8Gb

The same 9 will NOT fit on a single layer dvd using Nero, despite setting everything to 'auto' and verifying in the 'Details >>' panel that all 9 segments are 'video smart encoding ratio 100%' or close to it [2 are 99.7].

Bottom line, either there are still some magic switches I'm missing, or Nero just doesn't do as good a job as MF3 [and I suspect will take longer than MF3 did if it's writing over 4Gb of what MF3 does in 2.8Gb].

[And yes, it's nerovision 3.0.1.27]

chain777

· #13 · Feb 19, 2005

Quote:

Originally posted by Clay Schneider
Ok, here's the deal. I have 9 arrested developments with commercials removed with videoredo. All 9 fit on just fine on a single layer dvd using MF3 with a 3 page top level menu and selected stills for each of the 9. In fact, they take up only 2.8Gb

The same 9 will NOT fit on a single layer dvd using Nero, despite setting everything to 'auto' and verifying in the 'Details >>' panel that all 9 segments are 'video smart encoding ratio 100%' or close to it [2 are 99.7].

Bottom line, either there are still some magic switches I'm missing, or Nero just doesn't do as good a job as MF3 [and I suspect will take longer than MF3 did if it's writing over 4Gb of what MF3 does in 2.8Gb].

What quality did you use? I'm guessing standard, since nine edited 30 minute episodes would exceed the size of a single layer DVD in anything better. Since I use medium for just about everything, I can't say for sure what Nero does with standard files. I can just verify that Nero can use standard, medium and high quality files, and not re-encode them (at least that's what's indicated).

For comparison, I archived some Good Eats episodes using Nero and VideoReDo. Seven episodes edited for commercials fit on a DVD. The final size of the DVD was 3.83GB. I didn't record the exact file size of the original edited Replay files, but it wasn't more than a few percent larger, for the titles and such.

Just what size where the original files, and how large did Nero say the new files would be? And what type of quality/pass was indicated on the two apps?

See less See more

joesc1

· #14 · Feb 19, 2005

Andy, I've got Nero too and it always re-encoded. Based on your advice I downloaded the update and enabled 'Smart Encoding'. My DVD tab has everything set to Automatic, except for Encoding mode, which is set to High Quality( 2-pass VBR). So will this work with a recording at standard without having to re-encode?

jconawa

· #15 · Feb 19, 2005

If you don't edit medium quality, you can fit two movies/dvd. If you edit

out the commercials, it only writes new output at the high quality.

chain777

· #16 · Feb 19, 2005

Quote:

Originally posted by joesc1
Andy, I've got Nero too and it always re-encoded. Based on your advice I downloaded the update and enabled 'Smart Encoding'. My DVD tab has everything set to Automatic, except for Encoding mode, which is set to High Quality( 2-pass VBR). So will this work with a recording at standard without having to re-encode?

Those are the exact settings I use. I use medium files exclusively, but I've tried both standard and high and neither caused Nero to re-encode the video.

chain777

· #17 · Feb 19, 2005

Quote:

Originally posted by jconawa
If you don't edit medium quality, you can fit two movies/dvd. If you edit

out the commercials, it only writes new output at the high quality.

I don't understand exactly what you're saying. Can you re-word it a bit?

Clay Schneider

· #18 · Feb 19, 2005

Found my problem. Duh. I didn't realize there was an 'automatic' setting for the audio as well as the video. Choosing automatic audio set the total project size down to the same as MF3 -- 2.86Gb.

jconawa

· #19 · Feb 19, 2005

Quote:

Originally posted by chain777
I don't understand exactly what you're saying. Can you re-word it a bit?

I noted that if I edited a medium quality recording, Nero rewrites a new

file in high quality and I cannot fit 4 hours (two movies) on a single DVD-R.

If I don't edit the medium quality recordings at all, then Nero doesn't do anything with them except prep them for burn and I can then fit two movies per DVD. Therefore, I don't think Nero re-encodes them unless you've edited the shows.

pio!pio!

· #20 · Feb 19, 2005

I edit high quality recordigs and Nero just preps them for burn and not re-encode them..maybe record at high?

1 - 20 of 27 Posts

Status: Not open for further replies.