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There seeems to be quite a bit of back and forth on the topic of NetFlix BD's Without DTS-HD Master Audio / DD 5.1 Instead .. and likely some RedBox material as well .. although the Lionsgate releases have been noted as having the lack of HD audio .. there have been other studios I believe that have done the same ..


Weight in .. is it that big a deal .. ?? Do you feel ripped off .. ?? Will it drive you to buy .. ?? (Which is likely what the studios want) .. Thoughts on why it's being done this way .. ??
 

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Yeah I just noticed this with the Cabin in the Woods disc I got the other day through Blockbuster Online. Pretty lame...


The whole BD rental situation is pretty frustrating. Blockbuster Online has very long wait times for latest releases and the stores are usually all rented out within hours...


Thought about switching to Netflix but supposedly it is not much better. Also thought about RedBox but it appears that many movies are not available right away...
 

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[quote name="drewTT" url="/t/1430959/netflix-bds-without-dts-hd-master-audio-dd-5-1-instead#post_22431341". Also thought about RedBox but it appears that many movies are not available right away...[/quote]


Redbox doesn't have many movies PERIOD. (And even fewer BDs)
 
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Of course it is a big deal. HD Audio is other half of what makes Blu Ray different from DVD. The only way out for use renters is NEVER buy any BD released from that studio and spread the word for others to boycot as well. Studio only answer to one thing: their bottom line.
 

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This is a rip off.I rent a lot of BD's from both Redbox and Netflix but from now on I'll think twice before I pay  for a rental copy with a dumbed down audio.Those studios are just unbelievable!
 

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My opinion: For a one-time rental viewing, Dolby 5.1 is just fine. Any movie that has an awesome enough soundtrack that I really feel the need for lossless audio is most likely a movie I'll buy anyway.


Of course, if I was ripping the rental copies to build a library of illegal movies then I might be upset about not getting lossless audio. But I don't do that sort of thing and I'm sure none of you are either.



Also, keep in mind that an occasional movie-only RETAIL disc is equipped with only lossy DD 5.1. One such example is the movie 'Red'. Only the deluxe 'Special Edition' version has lossless audio.


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Originally Posted by Mark Booth  /t/1430959/netflix-bds-without-dts-hd-master-audio-dd-5-1-instead#post_22432024


My opinion: For a one-time rental viewing, Dolby 5.1 is just fine. Any movie that has an awesome enough soundtrack that I really feel the need for lossless audio is most likely a movie I'll buy anyway.

Of course, if I was ripping the rental copies to build a library of illegal movies then I might be upset about not getting lossless audio. But I don't do that sort of thing and I'm sure none of you are either.

I rarely ever watch a movie twice. So for me, it is rent only. Occasionally I will buy but that is very rare. So, HD audio on a rental disc is very important to me. Not everyone try to rip the rental disc like you hinted.

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Also, keep in mind that an occasional movie-only RETAIL disc is equipped with only lossy DD 5.1. One such example is the movie 'Red'. Only the deluxe 'Special Edition' version has lossless audio.

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Often those are the B movies (or really old classicalls) that Studios don't feel like spend time to produce HD audio tracks. I'd avoid those discs even if I rent.
 

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Netflix has a fairly big catalog, but it is bad enough that there are so many good movies & TV shows available on BD, but not from Netflix. The "rental" versions that strip out all of the extra features are fine with me. But when they start crippling them vs. retail versions with different video aspect ratios and lossy audio, I'm very disappointed. I don't so much feel "ripped off" because I'm averaging less than $2/rental, but definitely disappointed, and I'm more likely to remove a crippled rental version from my queue. If it starts happening more often on big titles, I'll have to find some other way to get my BDs with the best possible audio and video. I don't mind buying a BD for a movie that I know is fantastic and that I'll watch multiple times, but the vast majority of movies are worth watching no more than once IMHO.
 
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121  /t/1430959/netflix-bds-without-dts-hd-master-audio-dd-5-1-instead#post_22432559


I rarely ever watch a movie twice. So for me, it is rent only. Occasionally I will buy but that is very rare. So, HD audio on a rental disc is very important to me. Not everyone try to rip the rental disc like you hinted.

Often those are the B movies (or really old classicalls) that Studios don't feel like spend time to produce HD audio tracks. I'd avoid those discs even if I rent.

If it's that important to you, you'd buy it. When you go to the movie theater, do you demand a lower ticket price because you're only going to watch it once? I buy all my BD movies for quite a few reasons, and believe we should have perks over someone that just rents. I don't go to movie theaters so I look at the price of a BD as 2 tickets to a movie theater. Seems fair to me.
 

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I rarely ever watch a movie twice. So for me, it is rent only. Occasionally I will buy but that is very rare. So, HD audio on a rental disc is very important to me. Not everyone try to rip the rental disc like you hinted.

Often those are the B movies (or really old classicalls) that Studios don't feel like spend time to produce HD audio tracks. I'd avoid those discs even if I rent.

If it's that important to you, you'd buy it. When you go to the movie theater, do you demand a lower ticket price because you're only going to watch it once? I buy all my BD movies for quite a few reasons, and believe we should have perks over someone that just rents. I don't go to movie theaters so I look at the price of a BD as 2 tickets to a movie theater. Seems fair to me.

Well, it's not like the choice is yours so you just have to adjust your buying habits to the product offered. OTOH there are people who will pay regular ticket price to see a movie on a crappy small screen, with poor seating layout and horrible sound setup; I just don't go to those theaters persoally. I'd prefer the regular BD disc as a rental but the elimination of extras I wasn't happy with, and definitely not different aspect ratios or sound formats when I'm paying extra for BD in the first place, sound being a big part of my preference for BD.
 

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Originally Posted by LaoChe  /t/1430959/netflix-bds-without-dts-hd-master-audio-dd-5-1-instead#post_22434639


If it's that important to you, you'd buy it. When you go to the movie theater, do you demand a lower ticket price because you're only going to watch it once?
Huh? If I know that theater has a crappy setup, I simply not going there. Period.
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I buy all my BD movies for quite a few reasons, and believe we should have perks over someone that just rents. I don't go to movie theaters so I look at the price of a BD as 2 tickets to a movie theater. Seems fair to me.

I get charged extra for BD rental and get delivered half of the goods. I don't care about any of the extras but expect the disc come with both HD video and audio. I guess your logic demands us renters only get 720p video as well ?
 

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I think it's a given that people don't like the idea of stuff being stripped down.


The real question is, are they mad enough to do anything about it. If so, what?


Are you going to stop renting in protest? That's all well and good except the rental outlets don't control this stuff and it only hurts them when you bail on them. Further, the studios get exactly what they want: you'll likely view the movie in some other way that gets them more money, be it in the theaters, buying the disc or streaming.


If you buy instead of rent, that merely confirms to the studios they are doing exactly what they should be doing: make the alternative unappealing enough to make people stay away from it.


The problem is, the studios seldom stop when things are going their way. They need to tinker more. How long will it be until we see a lot more retail releases where only the mega-bonus edition gets the lossless audio codecs? We've already seen a couple, so it's not out of the question they might expand that technique.


So, what do we do?


Really, the only thing we can do and still send a message is to not buy, then tell the studios we won't buy until they stop stripping down the rental versions, then support the studios that provide full retail versions for rental.


Anything else we do is either going to make them see success or cause them to try even more stuff to change our behavior.
 

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Originally Posted by Foxbat121  /t/1430959/netflix-bds-without-dts-hd-master-audio-dd-5-1-instead#post_22431573


Of course it is a big deal. HD Audio is other half of what makes Blu Ray different from DVD. The only way out for use renters is NEVER buy any BD released from that studio and spread the word for others to boycot as well. Studio only answer to one thing: their bottom line.
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I rarely ever watch a movie twice. So for me, it is rent only. Occasionally I will buy but that is very rare. So, HD audio on a rental disc is very important to me. Not everyone try to rip the rental disc like you hinted.

Often those are the B movies (or really old classicalls) that Studios don't feel like spend time to produce HD audio tracks. I'd avoid those discs even if I rent.
So you buy so rarely that you say "so for me, it is rent only," yet somehow think that the studios will care when you threaten to "NEVER buy any BD released from that studio?"



Basically, your threat is that if they don't stop providing DD @ 640Kbps instead of lossless on rental discs, you'll continue doing exactly what you were doing when the rental discs were identical to the retail ones. That's.... quite a threat. Good luck with that.
 

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As Network said, the whole issue boils down to money .. as most things like this do .. BD sales have not been the cash cow that DVD was so studios are looking for a way to maximize profit .. in the heyday of DVD catalog titles were good sellers as well, since consumers were upgrading VHS copies and what not ..


Various editions are nothing new .. just like the continued re-release of popular films with various additions / etc .. you all know the story .. basically, buy another version even though you already have 2 older on the shelf ..


With rare exception, my disk buying days are over .. I have a good collection of films that bear a re-watch and I'm not interested in upgrading those that are DVD .. even if a BD becomes or is available ..


As well, I have what most would consider a pretty high end system and although I'd like to see HD audio on all disks, I'm going to have to settle with what NF / RB offers


I'll add that I've watched the video rental business since inception and one thing has remained constant .. the studios don't like rentals .. they never have .. they want us to buy the goods .. and they will continue to try and do things that drive sales .. whether it works or not is really up to the consumers .. I don't thing it's working .. I believe that if those that really, really valued the "full meal deal" disk refused to rent it if it were not so, it would not even be a blip on the radar for NF / RB ..
 

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So you buy so rarely that you say "so for me, it is rent only," yet somehow think that the studios will care when you threaten to "NEVER buy any BD released from that studio?"

Basically, your threat is that if they don't stop providing DD @ 640Kbps instead of lossless on rental discs, you'll continue doing exactly what you were doing when the rental discs were identical to the retail ones. That's.... quite a threat. Good luck with that.

No, I will not buy anything from the studios that strips down rental discs and will advocate others to do the same. That's the only thing I can do. I may stop renting altogether if this trend continues. Buy the discs will only encourage the studios conitnue what they did today.


Don't stop for a second that this will not affect you disc buyers. When most ppl stop renting discs, places like Netflix will cease to offer rental servcies (Netflix tried very hard to do just that in past couple years). When that happens, kiss good bye to your wallet. I still remembered back in the days that first release VHS movies taps were priced around $100 a copy. There is nothing stops studios charge you whatever they want when you have no alternatives unless you are happy with sub-standard neo-HD streaming.
 

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No, I will not buy anything from the studios that strips down rental discs and will advocate others to do the same. That's the only thing I can do. I may stop renting altogether if this trend continues. Buy the discs will only encourage the studios conitnue what they did today.

Don't stop for a second that this will not affect you disc buyers. When most ppl stop renting discs, places like Netflix will cease to offer rental servcies (Netflix tried very hard to do just that in past couple years). When that happens, kiss good bye to your wallet. I still remembered back in the days that first release VHS movies taps were priced around $100 a copy. There is nothing stops studios charge you whatever they want when you have no alternatives unless you are happy with sub-standard neo-HD streaming.

I applaud your stance .. we need to form an activist group with some sort of percentage in our name .. what percent do you think we'd be .. ??
 

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No, I will not buy anything from the studios that strips down rental discs and will advocate others to do the same. That's the only thing I can do.
The problem with that "threat" is that you've already admitted that you rarely buy anyway, so your threat holds little to no weight. That was my point.
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I may stop renting altogether if this trend continues.
If you're willing to miss out on watching movies you clearly want to watch, all to make a symbollic point that will largely go unnoticed, be my guest. But really, there's no need to delude yourself into thinking your actions are making any sort of difference.



The rest of your post is just fear-mongering nonsense in a sad attempt to get others on board with your so-called "boycott."
 

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I buy a lot less than I used to. No doubt, Netflix has contributed to that. For the cost of one disc, I can watch dozens of movies every month. I don't see myself going back to the days of collecting a lot of discs like I did with DVD, especially for blind buys. There are several reasons:


1) Cost. Let's face it, these discs are expensive. Before BD came out, I used to be able to get day one new releases for $14 - $17 at places like Walmart, who discounted the price in the first week of release. I was motivated to buy a movie sooner rather than later. However, after BD came out, not only did those discs not come with the first week discount, but the DVD discounts dried up, as well. Some new BD releases are 50% more than the cost of the DVD at full price. I can't afford to buy them like I used to buy DVDs, many of which I got for $5-$8 on catalog titles.


2) Quality. With the number of DNR jobs and revisionist color palettes on some of these "new tranfers", I simply can't bring myself to spend good money on many of them. I have no faither I'm gaining anything other than occassional increased picture quality. In other words, if they aren't going to spend the money and give me the best version of the movie, I'm not going to give them the money they're charging for it.


3) A lot of movies simply aren't worth owning. I've bought a lot of movies that I really didn't need to buy years ago. Some of those sit on the shelf never to be watched again. When I switched to BD, I decided I would only buy movies I knew I would watch now and then. Repeat viewing movies only for me.


4) I've already bought a lot of my favorite movies. While I intend to replace some of them on BD, most of them are just as enjoyable on DVD as they would be on BD. Further, I bought a lot of special editions with tons of special features and most of those discs look quite good, even with less resolution. Some simply aren't worth the upgrade, especially to pay more for a bare bones release.


The net result of this is, I buy less.


The studios simply haven't made it worth it for me to go all in on BD.
 

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I have no doubts that my stance makes very little impact on studios. And there is NO MOVIE that I MUST watch.


You two seems to be the perfect candidate for the digital streaming studios are trying out now. Meanwhile, I belongs to a minority who still prefers the physica media with both HD audio and video intact. Anything less doesn't worth my money.
 

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And there is NO MOVIE that I MUST watch.
I don't understand that mentality. Then again, I'm a film lover.
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You two seems to be the perfect candidate for the digital streaming studios are trying out now.
That makes absolutely no sense. I own hundreds of BDs and rent BDs all the time from a variety of sources. How you could take anything I've posted and somehow twist it into meaning that I would prefer streaming to BD is baffling to me. Seriously - are you sure you're fully comprehending what you're responding to?


I really only popped in because I thought it was funny how you were threatening to no longer buy BDs right after admitting that you almost never buy BDs. I'll leave you to your hyperbole and lack of self awareness.
 
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