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I'm still using the first avr I bought about 10 years ago: an Onkyo TX-NR509. It just keeps going and I've never really felt the need to upgrade it. However, my equally old Panasonic plasma started acting weird lately so I'm preparing to replace it with an LG CX, which means I'll need a new avr to enjoy 4K and HDR content.

My current setup is only 2.1: Ascend Sierra-2EX fronts with dual Rythmik F18 subs and a MiniDSP. The room is about 2100 cubic feet.
I might add a center at some point, or take the step to 5.1, but probably not in the first couple of years. Definitely no 7.1 or Atmos. But it seems 2.1 receivers aren't really that much cheaper compared to 5.1 so I thought it probably makes more sense to just get one with 5.1 channels? Feel free to correct me on this if there are good options.

What I really don't know is is power and room correction:
  • For 2 channels I assume any recent avr would be more than enough, especially coming from my old Onkyo. But if I ever were to switch to 5.1, I know not all receivers are able to provide enough power to all speakers.
  • Right now my avr has Audyssey 2EQ, which sets the speaker distance and level but probably does nothing more. My subs are calibrated and integrated as good as possible with the help of forum member Aron7awol. But I have relatively poor response in the 100-120Hz crossover range. Is Audyssey MultEQ XT32 (or other forms of room correction) worth getting for this? Maybe I'm putting too much weight on this and shouldn't see this as a requirement?

I think I can't possibly go wrong with something like a Denon AVC-X3700H for example, but at the same time with 9.2 channels it seems like massive overkill for what I'm going to use it for.. Any good ideas or alternatives? Maybe worth noting I'm from Europe, although I think most popular brands of receivers are available here as well.

Thanks in advance!
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The 2600H is a good option. You get better room correction with the 3700H. I would wait till they sort the 4K chip debacle if i were you. End of year i believe.
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@Bnaan yes total overkill but that's what this hobby is all about. :)

So most everything built from 2016 to now should have hdmi 2.0, which I believe allows [email protected] passthrough. You will not get some of the newest features like auro-3d or Dolby Vision, etc. but if you don't need those or atmos then the used 7 channel mid-high end market will allow you get much more bang for your buck; legacy inputs, pre-outs, analog inputs on some and often better power supplies. Think Arcam, Audio control, lexicon, rotel, NAD, Mcintosh. Onkyo, Integra and Pioneer Elite. Can't discuss pricing or where to buy, but if you look you can find some amazing deals. Assuming you are in the US, which you flag indicates you might not be?

OK throw all of that out the window, if available yes the x3600 and x3700 you mentioned are about as good as it gets for the money right now.

If you are going to add gaming to this area in the future, then maybe wait until the end of 2021 for the new Pioneer, Onkyo or Yamaha Aventage receivers. They are all supposed to be coming out with support for hdmi 2.1 - [email protected] / [email protected]
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The 2600H is a good option. You get better room correction with the 3700H. I would wait till they sort the 4K chip debacle if i were you. End of year i believe.
I can't seem to find this anywhere over here, only the new X2700 model. It's so hard to guess the impact of 2 different versions of room correction, just how much better would XT32 sound in my room and how much is that worth.. :(
Regarding the 4K chips, I thought I read somewhere Denon receivers weren't impacted? Could be wrong though..

@Bnaan yes total overkill but that's what this hobby is all about. :)

So most everything built from 2016 to now should have hdmi 2.0, which I believe allows [email protected] passthrough. You will not get some of the newest features like auro-3d or Dolby Vision, etc. but if you don't need those or atmos then the used 7 channel mid-high end market will allow you get much more bang for your buck; legacy inputs, pre-outs, analog inputs on some and often better power supplies. Think Arcam, Audio control, lexicon, rotel, NAD, Mcintosh. Onkyo, Integra and Pioneer Elite. Can't discuss pricing or where to buy, but if you look you can find some amazing deals. Assuming you are in the US, which you flag indicates you might not be?

OK throw all of that out the window, if available yes the x3600 and x3700 you mentioned are about as good as it gets for the money right now.

If you are going to add gaming to this area in the future, then maybe wait until the end of 2021 for the new Pioneer, Onkyo or Yamaha Aventage receivers. They are all supposed to be coming out with support for hdmi 2.1 - [email protected] / [email protected]
Haha, yeah I'm in Europe :)
Unfortunately the used market is virtually non-existing where I live, and the older models are phased out pretty quickly so just like the X2600, the X3600 isn't available anymore.
I still have a PS4 so not on the latest gen yet that can use HDMI 2.1. But thanks for pointing that out. I'm not in a hurry so it just depends if my plasma can survive for another couple of months :p

With Denon X2700/X3700 as possible candidates, what do Sony, Onkyo or Marantz offer that compares to the Denon models?
@Bnaan yes sorry. Ok so xt32 with subeqht is the best audyssey has, even better news is there is a now a $20 app that gives you even more control. I have a 3.1 system now and to be honest I don't think room correction can do anything for the LCR, but xt32 does have excellent dual sub control, so that is the reason to upgrade to the 3x00 series.

So Denon has the panasonic hdmi 2.1 chip that doesn't work well with the xbox x, so Denon is sending out to owners a stand alone device called the spk618 that can do the [email protected] for xbox owners.

Pioneer, Onkyo and upper end Yamaha Aventage are all coming out end of this year with 2021 receivers that have a different chip that is capable of [email protected] with both xbox x and the PS5.

I have seen rumors that Sony might be stepping away from the home theater receiver business.
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If the TV you're buying does 5.1 passthrough, I'd keep what you have and connect all your video sources to your TV and run a single digital out to your receiver. As long as your TV has enough inputs to support all your sources and offers pass-through 5.1, you're good to go.

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If the TV you're buying does 5.1 passthrough, I'd keep what you have and connect all your video sources to your TV and run a single digital out to your receiver. As long as your TV has enough inputs to support all your sources and offers pass-through 5.1, you're good to go.

Hmm interesting, I hadn't even considered that as an option. The LG CX I'm planning to buy has 4 HDMI inputs, which is exactly the amount I need.
Aside from the lack of DTS support on the LG, any other downsides to using this?

Edit: I guess a pretty considerable downside is that even if I want to stream just music through a Chromecast for example the tv has to be turned on?
Yes, to the TV on question.

I slipped with the 2600 model. You are correct 2700 is the current. All AVR's are impacted by the chip debacle. TI mostly a gaming issue, but, since you made it this far, waiting a few more months to get a fully functioning AVR makes sense to me.

I would stay with the Denon or Yamaha line. Yamaha is great, but their room correction (YAPO) is not as good as Denon's. IF you dont think you need much there then the Yamaha is a great option, and they seem to be sorting the chip problem in a slightly better way from the little I have read.
Well, I probably jinxed it by posting this thread because my plasma just failed.. :(
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Hmm interesting, I hadn't even considered that as an option. The LG CX I'm planning to buy has 4 HDMI inputs, which is exactly the amount I need.
Aside from the lack of DTS support on the LG, any other downsides to using this?

Edit: I guess a pretty considerable downside is that even if I want to stream just music through a Chromecast for example the tv has to be turned on?
Not necessarily. I bought a stereo Bluetooth receiver with RCA out just for streaming audio from my phone. It works great.


Well, I probably jinxed it by posting this thread because my plasma just failed.. :(
Bummer on the Plasma. I had my Samsung F8500 repaired a couple years ago. Cost me 400.00, but well worth the money, IMHO.

Have fun shopping!
I'll need a new avr to enjoy 4K and HDR content.
Unless you just bypass all that crap and wire direct to the display like we did with an LG OLED. On the other hand, in that system you could hear the Audyssey XT32 really flatten the bass peaks and dips. You can save a bunch if you wire direct and buy an older XT32 someone ditched due to no 4k...just be sure to get a model compatible to the app* which then allows you to make some adjustments, like remove Audyssey's midrange dip, put the gentler HF rolloff curve. In one system I boosted the upper mid about 1 decibel because it sounded a bit recessed.

*see list at ‎Audyssey MultEQ Editor app
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