[Spizz]

I have heard from DVDFile that the re-release of the Haunting will be the first DVD with a DTS-ES "discrete" 6.1 track as well as the normal DTS-ES matrixed track. Now my questions is how will this be applied to new preamps/receivers etc.


I have also heard from someone whom attended the new European AV show that the new European version of the Denon AVR-5800 will be able to decode the new DTS-ES 6.1 "Discrete" sound as will the AVR-5800 I presume.


Which leads to the question which speakers will any unit which can decode 6.1 discrete send the info to? The 2 rear EX channels? If so then its just matrixing the sound. The unit IMO would have to have 5 surround channels at the back.

The 2 side and 2 back for EX and the 2 side and 1 center back for DTS-ES discrete.


Any one with more info? Im sure the high end companies like Theta/Lexicon/Meridian etc should have upgrades for this new sound format, but how are they saying should it be implemented?


Spero D.

 

[aerialman]

I think it will work similarily to DD-EX; but if you really want to be sure, why not ask DTS.


- Jerry

 

[Spizz]

I have emailed them and am waiting for a response back. Was/Am hoping to get a quicker answer here http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif


Spero D.

 

[Rachael Bellomy]

Given the track record of the DTS marketing department,I question if this product will make it to market! I've not heard of it.....


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[Greg_R]

DTS-EX will also be on the re-release of T2. (so yes, titles are starting to show up on the market...)


Greg

 

[Spizz]

Rachel its coming. Here is the update from DVDREview.com-


"Dreamworks Home Entertainment to release first 6.1 DTS DVD



June 5, 2000




On August 29, Dreamworks Home Entertainment will release a new DVD version of the 1999 version of The Haunting. Already released with a Dolby Digital EX Surround soundtrack on DVD, this new release will contain a fully discrete 6.1 audio mix in DTS.

The DVD will feature 16x9 enhanced widescreen transfer of the movie and contain the same Featurette, Biographies, Production Notes and Trailers as the previous release did.

"The Haunting" will be released on August 29 and carry a suggested retail price of $24.98."


So its seems this will be another format.


Greg R.- From what I know the DTS-ES on T2 will only be matrixed (Like the Bone Collector), not discrete like the above upcoming Haunting.


Spero D.

 

[Rachael Bellomy]

I don't think I want a hardware update for 6.1 DTS! I just installed EX! EX works great with any DTS LD or DVD. 6.1 DTS may be a good thing but.....What processor plays it? Like,hey man,I want to get a new processor,like every three weeks,can you dig it? NOT! DTS usually seems out of step,maybe I should not be so suprised.Is DTS mad that EX is being widely adopted?


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[Spizz]

Here some more info on the topic-

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/uub/...ML/021808.html


and here-

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/uub/...ML/021687.html





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[Nick Satullo]

6.1? Even EX? I must confess, I'm still waiting for the software revolution to make sufficient use out of the two surrounds I do have. Oh, the ambience "fills" the room, but only occasionally so. The reality is that most movies, and music, are produced and have us listening much as we do in everyday life--from what's in front of us.


Yes, the occasional bottle breaking from behind, the occasional ricochet of a bullet from the Walter PPK of James Bond--these tend to remind us that the surrounds are there. But's that all that's done, and perhaps all that should be done. While I guess that a surround center channel is the next logical step in surround sound evolution, the same thing could've been said about quadrophonic sound more than 20 years ago. I'm certainly open to the idea, but it's not whetting my appetite enough to want to rearrange my system.

 

[Rachael Bellomy]

Nicholas,SWPM LD,Austin Power's sequel,The Matrix,The Jackal DTS LD,Event Horizon, Starship Troopers, The Last Temptation of Christ,Easy Rider,Jurassic Park DTS LD,all of these discs worked well with EX.Only the first 2 claim to be EX encoded.EX is for action movies and it works well!

I was watching the Criterion AC-3 remix of El Cid LD and the EX hardly came on at all,until there was a thunder storm and it came on for the duration of the scene.It was amazing,the storm thundered and echoed from every direction! EX processing snaps up all the out-of-phase stuff the sides are trying to place behind you and takes them there,simple and effective.It's not much of a factor on dialog-driven shows that are little more than 3.1, really.It's nice on the noisey films!


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[analogueaddict]

Hello fellow music lovers,

Quote:

Originally posted by PANARAMAX: You can be at the mercy of the manufacturers, and add a channel at a time, every year. Or you can point the 44 at their forehead and ask them to make your day. It will be 10 channels, because with larger 2.35 screens the left center and right centers are as absolutely necessary as the sides are in 8.1 (6.1 plus sides). Mark My words.

TOO LATE!! Tomlinson Holman of TMH (formerly the TH in THX) has been showing an audio system running 10.1 which can encode vertical information as well as depth and width information. It is supposed to be truly amazing and is good at removing a lot of the rooms acoustics from the sound you eventually hear (supposedly). For those out there with a Theta, Meridian or Lexicon decoder, you've got very little to fear. The support for new formats from all 3 of these companies is excellent and I'm sure a DTS-6.1 discrete upgrade is in the works as we speak. For receiver users however it's another thing. The proliferation of formats has served to re-enforce my resolve to keep with separates so i have the flexibility to upgrade at my pace, not have to throw the whole unit away and start over.


To be honest I will be installing my first Dolby Digital processor in my home next year and, if good fortune smiles on me, my other 3 speakers, but I'm keeping room at the back for the rear center speaker if I decide I need one.


Regards and best wishes,


David

 

[LeeAntin]

The 5 Screen Channel format died years ago. it went with the big screen. Yes I know that the Sony SDDS can be configured for 5 screen channels.


I am willing to bet anyone that of the 25,000 theaters in the USA there aren't more than 10 that still have the 5 screen channels installed...and 9 of them are in LA. The only theater in NYC that still does is the Ziegfield.


There was a time when theaters had 2000, 3000, even 5000 seats with huge screens. You needed the extra 2 front channels to fill in the holes when fully directional sound was prevelant. This also no longer exists (much to my lament) and the biggest crime going on today is the converting of fully directional soundtracks to the "voices in the center, music from the L & R" mix which destroys the orginal soundtrack.


Studio's are so concerned about copying. Who in their right mind would want to copy such garbage. (Come on Lee, tell us how you really feel!) Watch what happens to Sound of Music when it comes out on DVD versus one of the older LD pressings. It already happened with The Dirty Dozen and many others. We scream about OAR but no one.....NO ONE... ever complains about OST (Orginal Sound Track)


Lee

 

[Lloyd Chan]

Just my 2 cents on this topic:


If DTS is going to do DTS 6.1 with 6 fully discrete channels, such a home delievry format may have the ability to more faithfully reproduce what was heard on the dubbing stage during mixing. Whether it actually will, or whether we will be able to hear the difference is a whole different issue.


I think some of us tend to forget sometimes that DOlby Digital EX and DTS ES encoded films are usually mixed in true 6.1 on the dubbing stage. Certainly that was true of TPM. According to Gary Rydstrom in the short interview in the "Bug's Life" issue of Widescreen Reveiew, the whole idea of matrixing the discerete EX channel into the surrounds came to be because there was no easy way to implement a discrete channel in the cinema.


6.1 may be truer to what was intended, but whether that will make a difference to us remains to be seen. The benefits are likely only to be manifest if mixers get more aggressive with the use of the EX channel.

 

[Andreas]

another 0.02 cents.


I wasn't impressed by the "EX" announcement at all, well, compared to some of friends. Suddenly the question came to my mind "are they going to matrix more channels soon ?". I mean matrixing is thought to be out-dated since the discreet wave hit HT, isn't it ?.

Using a Yamaha DSP-A1 for the last almost two complete years I was absolutely pleased with the discreet results I had, didn't look back to Pro Logic at all, especially since some dts tracks have impressed me alot, even the ones on LD ("Sudden Death" e.g., I admit I like "Twister" in AC-3 alot). Sold my DSP-A1 luckily 3 days ago and have to say I am absolutley exited about the discreet dts 6.1 announcement, although I cannot place a rear center as well as I would like to. So now I'm open for the next big change and I know one thing for sure, the future is discreet.


Thinking about a Meridian 568.


BTW: 5 speakers in cinemas doesn't necessarily mean that they are all used at the same time. Some big screens are switching as I heard to the inner 3 for smaller aspect ratios and to the outer two plus center for scope films, well, as I was told ???. Please correct me.



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[analogueaddict]

Hello fellow music lovers,

Quote:

Originally posted by PANARAMAX: Analoguedependent: I cringe at the prospect of Tomlinson Holman being the sole developer of 10.1. If THX is his legacy. Wouldn't you cringe too?

Well, I have to say I don't think that Tomlinson Holman did a bad job with THX. It at least brought cinema sound out of the stone age and into the arena of it being passably high fidelity, which is a lot better than it used to be. One would hope that Mr. Holman has learned from the THX development program and has figured out why THX systems seem to lose something when asked to play back music. It is equally possible that Mr. Holman has decided that THX went in the wrong direction for audio replay and has come up with an entirely new system. I'm reserving judgement on him with this project. I only hope it's demo'd in the UK soon so I can hear just what it can (or can't) do.


regards and best wishes,


David



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