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I'm going to be using this for encoding h264 video and also gaming.


This mobo supports SATA 6GB/s and USB 3.0. I don't need SLI or Crossfire.
  • AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz Socket AM3 Six-Core Processor
  • ASUS M4A87TD/USB3 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 AMD Motherboard
  • EVGA 01G-P3-1465-AR GeForce GTX 465 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready
  • CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)


This is my first AMD system so I'm not really sure what to be looking for, so I'd appreciate any thoughts.
 

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More RAM. You will use 4GB of RAM today, easily and all the time. Hitting the 6GB wall will be a a bit more rare, usually only in games with big memory spaces. I'd recommend 8GB, but 6GB really is the minimum.


Since I now know that you want to encode video as a primary task, then I retract my last recommendation of dropping to 4-core from the other thread. Go ahead and stick with the 6-core.
 

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Yeah, definitely buy RAM right now, it hasn't been this cheap for about 2 years. You should be able to get 8 GB for under $100 after rebates. Also, I'd ditch the GTX 465 in favor of the 460, it runs much quieter and cooler.
 

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I am currently running with 4gb of ram (actually a bit less due to 32bit). I have not encountered a single situation where a game/app pushes this past it's limits.. or anywhere close really. As long as you are fine with upgrading when it comes time, I don't see any real issue cutting a corner here.
 

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I guess my real decision is whether to spend more for Intel or keep it at my budget with AMD?


Here are the configs I found.


ASUS P7P55D-E /w Intel Core i7-870 $430

ASUS M4A87TD /w AMD Phenom II X6 1090T $329
 

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Well as for CPU score , Price versus performance. AMD is the better deal. Not sure what games your into. Might find some bechmarks scores as it relates to the games your playing to see if it's worth paying more for intel. The 2 CPU's are very close in performance. Not sure what the max for each chip is in overclocking. Newegg reviews has the Intel running 3.2 with stock heatsink vs. AMD OC to 3.6 ghz stock cooling. Up to 4.0 ghz air cooled. AMD $50 Less than Intel Chip. Seems you could afford to buy a good heatsink and push the AMD to 4.0 ghz, For the same price as the intel chip with stock heatsink.


Check PassMark CPU Benchmarks.at cpubenchmark.net.

Wouldn't let me post entire link.
 

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"I have not encountered a single situation where a game/app pushes this past it's limits.."


Yes you have, you do every day, and you are right now. You just don't notice and don't know what you're missing.


Windows Vista/7 is really good at memory management and pre-caching. So, when you give it more ram, it loads up stuff that you want to use before you want to use it. Apps load far quicker this way, and everything is just generally more responsive. Just because Windows is telling you on your system that you have 1.5GB free of your 3.3GB of ram, doesn't mean that you aren't choking your system by constricting it's ram allotment.


As an example on my 64-bit Windows 7 machine with 6GB: After a fresh boot 15 minutes ago, with Chrome being the only thing open, 2.2GB is being actively used, but only 1.5GB is completely empty at the moment. That 1.5GB will shrink to zero as the days wears on and more stuff gets pre-cached. This doesn't meant that I could get the same experience with 4GB, or that Windows is leaking memory somewhere being all inefficient about it's use of ram. No, it means that my excess of 4GB is making my day to day, every moment usage of this machine just more fluid and a better experience.


In short: Not being aware of the advantages of ram amounts greater than 3.5GB does not equate to "4GB is fine!!1" being good advice.


"I guess my real decision is whether to spend more for Intel or keep it at my budget with AMD?"


If you are fretting over the cost difference between 4GB and 8GB, then stick with the $100 cheaper AMD. That X6 really is quite the excellent value.


In addition, if ram cost is an issue then get a single 4GB stick right now, and drop in the second 4GB stick when you get the extra $50 a couple months down the road.
 

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One thing I've noticed is the latency is much higher on these larger capacity chips. Does it really matter anymore? I tried to keep it as low as I could but it seems 7 or 8 was it.


There is an 8GB combo pack for $124 which isn't that bad, but the cas latency is 9.



Keep in mind I'm going from a C2D 8400 to either one of these so whichever I get is going to be a nice step up.
 

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Don't worry about the latency. It's one of those things that tweakers make a big deal about, but in the real world it ends up meaning nothing. Sort your ram choice in this fashion: Reputable vendors > lowest price group > lowest latency. RAM CAS isn't something worth paying for, but if it's all the same price, then you may as well get the one that's a hair quicker.


In short: Money is better spent on anything else in your system, rather than a point or two lower CAS.
 

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Nice Price on the Kingston. Wow, Sold out already in 3 days.


Got this ram for $99 back in July from Newegg.

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL Runs at 1.5 Volts instead of Kingstons 1.65 volts. Yeah both the Kingston and G Skill are Cas 9.

$59.99 For 4GB is a great price. And with over 1100 reviews on Newegg with a 5 star rating. A good choice to pic from if you missed out on the Kingston deal.


G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL $119.99
 

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The two processors are very close but I think I'm going to go with the Core i7-870, it's a little more expensive but mostly beats out the AMD in gaming scores while staying almost equal in video rendering. The Intel chip also consumes less power.
 

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So after reading some reviews it appears the mobo I was going to get has a flaw. It seems that you cannot use USB3 AND SATA 6GB/s at the same time or it will reduce the PCI-E slot to 8x.


So unfortunately now I have to spend a little more on a mobo but I did find the i7-870 for $60 cheaper at a B/M store.


I'm now looking to get the ASUS Sabertooth X58 board. Also one website today has Kingston HyperX 6GB PC1600 on sale for $69.99. Should I spend $50 more to get the 8GB or will 6GB be good enough for now?
 

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Originally Posted by Stryker412 /forum/post/19684218


So after reading some reviews it appears the mobo I was going to get has a flaw. It seems that you cannot use USB3 AND SATA 6GB/s at the same time or it will reduce the PCI-E slot to 8x.


So unfortunately now I have to spend a little more on a mobo but I did find the i7-870 for $60 cheaper at a B/M store.


I'm now looking to get the ASUS Sabertooth X58 board. Also one website today has Kingston HyperX 6GB PC1600 on sale for $69.99. Should I spend $50 more to get the 8GB or will 6GB be good enough for now?

[H] did some video card testing at 8x and 16x and determined that there was no difference in actual gameplay. As far as that RAM deal, could you buy the 6GB kit and then buy one more 2GB stick of the same type for a total of 8? I doubt the single 2GB stick is $50.
 

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Originally Posted by Stryker412 /forum/post/19684218


So after reading some reviews it appears the mobo I was going to get has a flaw. It seems that you cannot use USB3 AND SATA 6GB/s at the same time or it will reduce the PCI-E slot to 8x.


So unfortunately now I have to spend a little more on a mobo but I did find the i7-870 for $60 cheaper at a B/M store.


I'm now looking to get the ASUS Sabertooth X58 board. Also one website today has Kingston HyperX 6GB PC1600 on sale for $69.99. Should I spend $50 more to get the 8GB or will 6GB be good enough for now?

The ASUS X58 will not be socket compatible with the i7/870. It uses a LGA1366 socket for the i7/9xx cpus and also uses triple chan mem. But on the good side the i7/930 are cheap and very OC'able, but sure if they are as good OC'er as the last 920 were tho. For a little more the 950 is very good buy right now and is some cases/places it's the same price as the 870.
 

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The ASUS X58 will not be socket compatable with the i7/870. It uses a LGA1366 socket for the i7/9xx cpus.

Thanks for checking. Actually I found out the i7-950 is the same price as the 870 so I'll be going with that one.
 

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[H] did some video card testing at 8x and 16x and determined that there was no difference in actual gameplay. As far as that RAM deal, could you buy the 6GB kit and then buy one more 2GB stick of the same type for a total of 8? I doubt the single 2GB stick is $50.

1 Stick
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820104218


3 Sticks
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820104118


I've always purchased Corsair XMS in the past and never had any trouble. Not sure about the HyperX at all.


8GB Corsair XMS3: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145261
 

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Ok I made my purchase:


* Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950

* ASUS Sabertooth X58 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

* EVGA 01G-P3-1465-AR GeForce GTX 465 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready

* CORSAIR XMS 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX8GX3M2A1600C9
 

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Ok I made my purchase:


* Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950

* ASUS Sabertooth X58 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

* EVGA 01G-P3-1465-AR GeForce GTX 465 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready

* CORSAIR XMS 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX8GX3M2A1600C9

You do know that to get optimal performance with a X58 mobo you need to have three sticks of low power mem for triple chan, low power since the mem controller is on the chip set and will only accept a certain amount of voltage. I am not even sure if you can only use two sticks. I always used at least three on all my X58 mobos.


It is confusing since INTEL has both LGA1156 and LGA1366 i7 cpus. The i7/9xx series cpus runs on the X58 chipset which supports triple chan mem, and the i7/8xx (i3 and i5) series runs on P55 chipset and requires dual chan mem.
 
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