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New HQV Vida Chipset!

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New "Auto HQV" and "HQV StreamClean" features. You can read more about it on my blog at www.videovantage.com
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The press release it is found here .


"The result transforms standard-definition sources to HD quality and makes HD look even more detailed."


I have a feeling their definition of HD quality differs from mine...
This seems to say that the chip will include the processing necessary for any manufacturer to easily implement a full-featured CMS.


"The latest offering from IDT HQV also features 14-bit internal processing and 12-bit output for deep color processing and 3D gamut conversion for xvYCC processing. These capabilities provide accurate conversion of regular and wide gamut content to the display's native gamut. In addition, The VHD1900 features six axis color control, with independent adjustment of any color's hue, saturation and intensity."

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This seems to say that the chip will include the processing necessary for any manufacturer to easily implement a full-featured CMS.


"The latest offering from IDT HQV also features 14-bit internal processing and 12-bit output for deep color processing and 3D gamut conversion for xvYCC processing. These capabilities provide accurate conversion of regular and wide gamut content to the display's native gamut. In addition, The VHD1900 features six axis color control, with independent adjustment of any color's hue, saturation and intensity."

Yeah I noticed that as well. Imagine if the day comes when the majority of display devices has a CMS and the manufacterers offer a color accurate preset...
Interesting find Mark. Thanks for the link! Hopefully we'll see some demo stuff at Cedia.
Thanks Jason, yes it will be interesting to demo video from this chip and see if it offers real performance gains. At the very least it's good to see that IDT is continuing to improve the HQV architecture and the acquisition of Silicon Optics wasn't just for short term sales. This will put the heat back on Sigma Designs now (VXP). A win-win for consumers.

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at the very least it's good to see that idt is continuing to improve the hqv architecture and the acquisition of silicon optics wasn't just for short term sales. This will put the heat back on sigma designs now (vxp). A win-win for consumers.

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This also makes one wonder where the set top video processor business is going. If a company like IDT is offering quality de-interlacing, transcoding, format conversion, scaling, detail enhance, sharpen, denoise and apparently now CMS, what does a VP manufacturer add to the equation other than a PCB and power supply?

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This also makes one wonder where the set top video processor business is going. If a company like IDT is offering quality de-interlacing, transcoding, format conversion, scaling, detail enhance, sharpen, denoise and apparently now CMS, what does a VP manufacturer add to the equation other than a PCB and power supply?

Software implementation and human interface, I suppose.

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Software implementation and human interface, I suppose.

This is HUGE. Look at all the untapped power in a good number of receivers. Onkyo didn't seem too interested in fixing their colour-space error on the 905 IIRC.

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This also makes one wonder where the set top video processor business is going. If a company like IDT is offering quality de-interlacing, transcoding, format conversion, scaling, detail enhance, sharpen, denoise and apparently now CMS, what does a VP manufacturer add to the equation other than a PCB and power supply?

Im still waiting for a VP with Teranex like features. Unfortunately its ( Teranex ) price limits its popularity within the consumer circle but it has filters to specifically target most annoying source artifacts including squeezing further quality from pristine material. There is no way of knowing what is being left off the table or what is possible with consumer VPs until you test drive such a beast. While new chips allow cheaper production I would also like to see them expand on additional videophile features.
I have been a big fan of VPs, Lumagen VPs in particular, having owned a Radiance and a HDQ.


But, two things are converging to render most stand alone VPs basically unnecessary. First, many displays are now adding features like a CMS. This new HQV chip will accellerate this process. Second, we are watching more higher quality material like Blurays so things like scaling and deinterlacing are much less important now than they were to most people in the past.


Yes, implementation is everything and some display manufacturers will blow it. This is a very narrow market for stand alone VP companies to operate in.

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Software implementation and human interface, I suppose.

Those and HDMI switching between lots of inputs are probably about all that's left as far as value added features for the VP STB manufacturers.

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Im still waiting for a VP with Teranex like features. Unfortunately its ( Teranex ) price limits its popularity within the consumer circle but it has filters to specifically target most annoying source artifacts including squeezing further quality from pristine material. There is no way of knowing what is being left off the table or what is possible with consumer VPs until you test drive such a beast. While new chips allow cheaper production I would also like to see them expand on additional videophile features.

Good point, I've heard that the Teranex has a lot of other features that didn't make it into the Realta. Maybe that's where IDT will go in the future. Another thing that I'd like to see these chip manufacturers add is access to some of the algorithm and filter settings. Something more like what is in ffdshow along with a split screen so AVSers like me can spend countless hours tweaking the settings for specific content


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But, two things are converging to render most stand alone VPs basically unnecessary. First, many displays are now adding features like a CMS. This new HQV chip will accellerate this process. Second, we are watching more higher quality material like Blurays so things like scaling and deinterlacing are much less important now than they were to most people in the past.

Very true, we might be seeing the end of the VP STB business although the display manufacturers continue to leave off simple, but key features that are fully supported in the chip. Anamorphic stretch of letterboxed 4x3 to full 16x9 panel size is a good example that is left out of many current Reon and VXP implementations.


So long as we have broadcast 1080i, quality de-interlacing will continue to be important though.
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So long as we have broadcast 1080i, quality de-interlacing will continue to be important though.

This is true, but at the current quality of HD cable material that I am receiving, I really don't consider watching it to be critical viewing. People are free to feel differently, of course.
Speaking of Teranex, they were purchased at the beginning of the month by Jupiter Systems. From the press release, it sounded like they were maybe interested in doing further things with the Realta.
Interesting. I was going to comment on the fact that Realta was still a property of Teranex (not IDT). I guess now Realta is property of Jupiter Systems.
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Originally Posted by Lawguy /forum/post/16879703


I have been a big fan of VPs, Lumagen VPs in particular, having owned a Radiance and a HDQ.


But, two things are converging to render most stand alone VPs basically unnecessary. First, many displays are now adding features like a CMS. This new HQV chip will accellerate this process. Second, we are watching more higher quality material like Blurays so things like scaling and deinterlacing are much less important now than they were to most people in the past.


Yes, implementation is everything and some display manufacturers will blow it. This is a very narrow market for stand alone VP companies to operate in.

Well, this was a post from Lumagen folks from 18 months ago....

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We are considering a calibration only box. However, we have not made any decisions on this yet. Certainly it makes sense as it would be less expensive.

I, and many other owners of PJs without CMS like the JVC RS2, would have ordered such a scaled-down product if it was propertly priced. Looks like they dragged their feet for 18 months and have probably missed their window of opportunity. I wouldn't hold any stock in a VP company right now.


There's no way I'd shell out $4K for a Radiance now. Not when I can put that money toward a new PJ that will have this chip or other CMS function and V-stretch. And what happens if/when LED or laser PJs come out with accurate colors and possibly no need for CMS? I can get HMDI switching in an A/V receiver or from monoprice. The window is closing fast.
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Any one know which AVR producer will use this chip?

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Is there a thread w/a shootout of AVR scalers?

(for both SD & HD)

BIG thanks!
This is Great News, I will look forward seeing it in action.
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