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Essentially they tell us we need brand new computers.
I think I'll skip for now.
I think I'll skip for now.
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Correct.
There is no right time to buy or assemble computer.
But hey, my machines can do all I want : HDTV, HD-DVD, MPEG2 compile in "almost" real time, DD/DTS out...you name it.
In order for me to upgrade they have to offer something significantly better in terms of performance. And I am not putting this little stove called Prescott into my machines
It's not too cold here in San Francisco, I don't need extra heaters unless they do something...something...what?
There is no right time to buy or assemble computer.
But hey, my machines can do all I want : HDTV, HD-DVD, MPEG2 compile in "almost" real time, DD/DTS out...you name it.
In order for me to upgrade they have to offer something significantly better in terms of performance. And I am not putting this little stove called Prescott into my machines
It's not too cold here in San Francisco, I don't need extra heaters unless they do something...something...what?Quote:
Actually now might be a good time to buy intel system.
This is the end of the line for Pentium iV.
i.e. its fully refined (cpu steppings-wise chipset-wise all bugs have been worked out from granite bay etc.)
Thats how i know when to buy.
in fact its been a good time to buy for 6 months now...nothing has really changed at all in the intel world. same chipset same steppings of cpu
on the amd side they have come out with amd64 however
| Originally posted by galileo2000 Correct. There is no right time to buy or assemble computer. |
Actually now might be a good time to buy intel system.
This is the end of the line for Pentium iV.
i.e. its fully refined (cpu steppings-wise chipset-wise all bugs have been worked out from granite bay etc.)
Thats how i know when to buy.
in fact its been a good time to buy for 6 months now...nothing has really changed at all in the intel world. same chipset same steppings of cpu
on the amd side they have come out with amd64 however
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My point was that the moment you place your order, some other shop will offer the same hardware for less price.
I never said nobody should buy a computer or computer parts.
Just look at my stuff
I never said nobody should buy a computer or computer parts.
Just look at my stuff
Does anyone have details on what they mean by "sporting new instructions for handling video and audio files"?
Is this just a couple new instructions added to SSE2?
Or, are these completely new instructions that will be used for things like MPEG2 processing? (similar to what VIA did for encryption in the C3 chips)
If you value quiet operation in a HTPC, it doesn't sound like Prescott is the chip for you.. 90W while active, and an incredibe 40W in standby is what the article claims.
ediit: I found a link describing the extensions to SSE2. I don't know how these will effect video processing specifically, but it does not look like a revolutionary change.
Is this just a couple new instructions added to SSE2?
Or, are these completely new instructions that will be used for things like MPEG2 processing? (similar to what VIA did for encryption in the C3 chips)
If you value quiet operation in a HTPC, it doesn't sound like Prescott is the chip for you.. 90W while active, and an incredibe 40W in standby is what the article claims.
ediit: I found a link describing the extensions to SSE2. I don't know how these will effect video processing specifically, but it does not look like a revolutionary change.
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this is a quote from intel's site:
13 new processor instructions designed to improve performance for special application areas such as media and gaming. These instructions are grouped into five areas: floating point to integer conversions, complex arithmetic, video encoding, SIMD floating point using AOS format and thread synchronization.
anyone with a 875 or 865 chipset will be able to use these new processors.
although if you can wait, you should wait until the next chip comes out. its called tejas and uses a whole new socket, LGA-775
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13 new processor instructions designed to improve performance for special application areas such as media and gaming. These instructions are grouped into five areas: floating point to integer conversions, complex arithmetic, video encoding, SIMD floating point using AOS format and thread synchronization.
anyone with a 875 or 865 chipset will be able to use these new processors.
although if you can wait, you should wait until the next chip comes out. its called tejas and uses a whole new socket, LGA-775
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If computer will sit on top of the tv, it would mean a different form factor. Therefore it would require a new video card, a new sound card, a new HDTV card etc.
Unless all this is integrated into the motherboard.
I don't know what would it take for me to upgrade aside from the upgrade bug. 10x MPEG2 rendering speed increase? Ability to produce my own HD Video?
Intel boys, how do you sell me your new new thing?
Unless all this is integrated into the motherboard.
I don't know what would it take for me to upgrade aside from the upgrade bug. 10x MPEG2 rendering speed increase? Ability to produce my own HD Video?
Intel boys, how do you sell me your new new thing?
I want real-time WM9 encoding of an analog HDTV signal, such that the resultant file is quite difficult to distinguish from the original transport stream even on a high end display (except that the file would be smaller). Is this going to get me there?
slocko - great article! I'm VERY excited this time around.
Grantsdale chipset series: in the spotlight on March 29 http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/2467/
Intel Alderwood, Grantsdale Socket T Mobo Lineup For 2004 http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/2964/
LGA775, Grantsdale, Alderwood Launch Date Unveiled http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipset...217135321.html
DDR-II SDRAM for All Next Year! http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/...918162504.html
Intel Grantsdale, Alderwood Chipsets Official Names Revealed? http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipset...116203935.html
Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) Technology - The next leap for SCSI http://www.lsilogic.com/technologies...dards/sas.html
Intel High Definition Audio http://deviceforge.com/news/NS2556463900.html
Intel® High Definition Audio Brings CE-Quality Audio to the PC http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archi...0108corp_b.htm
Here's some info on the new mobos:
Grantsdale-G i915G
Grantsdale-GV i915GV (without PCI Express x16)
Grantsdale-GL i915GL (533MHz Quad Pumped Bus, no graphics port and DDR-II support)
Grantsdale-P i915P (533, 800MHz Quad Pumped Bus, LGA775 processors, PCI Express x16)
Alderwood i925X (replaces 875P, adds PAT to i915P)
Grantsdale chipset series: in the spotlight on March 29 http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/2467/
Intel Alderwood, Grantsdale Socket T Mobo Lineup For 2004 http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/2964/
LGA775, Grantsdale, Alderwood Launch Date Unveiled http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipset...217135321.html
DDR-II SDRAM for All Next Year! http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/...918162504.html
Intel Grantsdale, Alderwood Chipsets Official Names Revealed? http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipset...116203935.html
Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) Technology - The next leap for SCSI http://www.lsilogic.com/technologies...dards/sas.html
Intel High Definition Audio http://deviceforge.com/news/NS2556463900.html
Intel® High Definition Audio Brings CE-Quality Audio to the PC http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archi...0108corp_b.htm
Here's some info on the new mobos:
Grantsdale-G i915G
Grantsdale-GV i915GV (without PCI Express x16)
Grantsdale-GL i915GL (533MHz Quad Pumped Bus, no graphics port and DDR-II support)
Grantsdale-P i915P (533, 800MHz Quad Pumped Bus, LGA775 processors, PCI Express x16)
Alderwood i925X (replaces 875P, adds PAT to i915P)
Prescott will likely have a 30 stage pipeline. Performance gains over the old P4 may not be much to shout about, even with SSE3.
You'll have a chip that runs more mhz, but performs less efficiently. Effectively you'll get more heat and power consumption with very little gain in performance. The detriment to the scaling of clock speed to performance may frustrate its usefulness for the HTPC.
You'll have a chip that runs more mhz, but performs less efficiently. Effectively you'll get more heat and power consumption with very little gain in performance. The detriment to the scaling of clock speed to performance may frustrate its usefulness for the HTPC.
"If it looks like a PC, it won't end up in the living room," Mark Vena, director of Dimension products at Dell, said during an interview at the Consumer Electronics Show earlier this year. "In the next 12 to 24 months, there will be a dramatic shift in design.
Perhaps this will start to spur some case manufacturers into coming out with some new reasonably priced HTPC cases, or as Intel is now calling them E-PC's.
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Perhaps this will start to spur some case manufacturers into coming out with some new reasonably priced HTPC cases, or as Intel is now calling them E-PC's.
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Mark Vena, please speak for yourself.
I have 3 PC's in my living room and I tend to believe they make my living room better, not worse.
Of course I wouldn't put ugly Dell into my living room. But there is life beyond Dell, at least for now.
| Originally posted by LYU370 "If it looks like a PC, it won't end up in the living room," Mark Vena, director of Dimension products at Dell, said during an interview at the Consumer Electronics Show earlier this year. "In the next 12 to 24 months, there will be a dramatic shift in design. |
I have 3 PC's in my living room and I tend to believe they make my living room better, not worse.
Of course I wouldn't put ugly Dell into my living room. But there is life beyond Dell, at least for now.
I would be keeping a close eye on the performance of the Prescott compared with current P4s. Between the P3 and P4, they made the pipeline from 10 stages to 20 stages (double the length), and as such a 1 GHz P3 can then only be rivaled by a 1.4 GHz P4.
I would imagine with its (rumored) 30 stages pipeline, it might take a 3.6 GHz Prescott to compete with 3.2 GHz P4. We'll see.
OTOH, you can now buy a 3.2 GHz P4 at Dell (Dimension 8300 config) for less than $1K.
I would imagine with its (rumored) 30 stages pipeline, it might take a 3.6 GHz Prescott to compete with 3.2 GHz P4. We'll see.
OTOH, you can now buy a 3.2 GHz P4 at Dell (Dimension 8300 config) for less than $1K.
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I am running my 2.4Ghz and 2.8Ghz at 3.3 and 3.5.
So according to the previous post Prescotts have to be in 3.8Ghz neighborhood for the adequate performance.
However, the heat issue remains and is kind of scary.
But let's not jump to conclusion here. They have to sell it somehow, so I would imagine Photoshop and video apps would be frontrunners for the new chip.
So according to the previous post Prescotts have to be in 3.8Ghz neighborhood for the adequate performance.
However, the heat issue remains and is kind of scary.
But let's not jump to conclusion here. They have to sell it somehow, so I would imagine Photoshop and video apps would be frontrunners for the new chip.
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