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I just noticed on the Panny site that the new S35 player is listed as having the same "4:3 shrink and letterbox zoom" feature that was once exclusive to the RP91 amongst Panny players.


Can anyone confirm that this is indeed the same feature and will properly scale non-16x9 DVDs for proper OAR viewing on a 16x9 TV in full mode??


At a mere $100 (or less), I'm really tempted to just settle for the likely lower quality deinterlacing of their new all-in-one chip, instead of waiting and hunting for an affordable (
 

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I just left their site and came away with this same question. If you click on the "which other players have this function" link, there are quite a few units listed. I'm hoping someone can confirm this. Is there a "4:3 Shrink Function w/ Letterbox Zoom & Shift" on S35, S55, S65, S85 and is it the same as the RP-91?
 

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Hi!! Man-, why dont u try RP-91, that could be bought for $300, any color/?


It does not have DCDI, but should be better than, penny, new all in one..Dude?


I had great hopes with philips 963sa?
 

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Zoro,


Well, I almost went w/ the RP91, but decided to give the Panny S35 a shot afterall---bought it on Friday. I just couldn't justify paying 3x the price for slightly better deinterlacing and barebones DVD-A support w/out giving the S35 a shot first.


Anyway, I've thrown a handful of DVDs at the new S35 so far, and the PQ through my Panny 53" RPTV is certainly better than the old interlaced Tosh using the TV's deinterlacer. Yes, I did notice a tiny bit of combing-type artifacts caused by bad flags and bad edits, but the player seems to recover so fast that I find it tolerable and not always noticeable w/ the DVDs I've tried so far. Perhaps, somebody can provide a list of the worst offenders for bad flags and edits so I can see how bad it can get. FWIW, The Red Violin looks a bit blurry most of the time and might well be caused by constantly bad flags throughout the movie. Anyway, I have another 10 days before I need to return it (and maybe switch for the Philips 963sa).


RE: the original concern of this thread, I can confirm that this player indeed offers aspect ratio scaling. In fact, I really like the scope of the offering -- seems like it's much better than the RP91's choices (from what I know) since it offers extremely flexible variable zooming. In 4x3 shrink (or Auto) mode, you can easily zoom letterbox DVDs w/ steps of 1.25x, 1.33x, etc. If you want, you can also choose to adjust your zoom by .01x increments after you start zooming. And yes, the zoom/scaling does not affect the positioning of subtitles, which is great for foreign films. Also, I really love the GUI in general for on-the-fly adjustments via the multi-step display bar. You can adjust almost anything this way, including choosing between 480i and the 3 different 480p modes, adjusting video calibration settings, adjusting subtitles, etc.


Now, the bad news. :( Yes, it offers scaling, but I must say that I'm very disappointed w/ the quality of the scaling/zooming. Maybe I was expecting too much, but the PQ for scaled images look awful to me. I tried it w/ parts of Titanic, True Lies and OUATIC (Hong Kong movie) and also tried the plain zoom w/ 16x9 DVDs. It looks to me like the player applies the zoom (regardless of 4x3 shrink) BEFORE it deinterlaces the image(!!!) because of how blurry and full of motion artifacts the zoom/scaled images look. I also verified this hypothesis by outputting at 480i w/ zoom to my TV's deinterlacer and got similar results. Good quality zoom/scaling of the deinterlaced image should not look like this. In most cases, it definitely looked worse than my TV's analog zoom mode, which unfortunately yields noticeable scan line gaps and was why I've been hunting for a player w/ scaling.


So now, I think I'm back to square one. :( I got a player that offers the features (and nice GUI to boot!!) that I wanted for much less than my original price range. But like so many others, it has a showstopping flaw. :mad: I'm tempted to just keep it because the PQ is quite good beyond the tiny amounts of deinterlacing artifacts (so far) and the unacceptable scaling/zooming quality. The 4x3 shrink itself works nicely enough so I don't have to deal w/ my TV's grey side bars, and maybe I can live w/ the smaller 4x3 shrink, windowboxed image (w/out zoom) for letterbox DVDs instead of using my TV's analog zoom. But then again, I could also just get the Panny RP91 for useable scaling or even the Philips 963sa for Faroudja-based deinterlacing and nice CD and SACD support.


But I just have to ask again, why hasn't any player makers come up w/ a truly good DVD-V player for
 

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Haha. Don't think I want to wait another 9-12 months for a player. I've already shopped for 6 months since I bought my RPTV, so I really don't want to wait at all. I would've tried the new Sammy 931, but since it skips the Faroudja chip for analog output, that's a no go as well.


Maybe I should look into the Bravo a little more. I haven't been following that player much so have no idea if it offers aspect ratio scaling via its analog output.


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