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I upgraded my TV to an LG GX recently and now want to move on to the receiver and speakers, but reading through the forum posts with all the options only makes me more confused :)
Here are my specifics to see if I can get some recommendations that will narrow down my choices

1. Maximum total budget? (and current equipment, if any)
for the receiver and speakers: ~$2000
Currently have a Vizio soundbar with wireless rear speaker and sub that will be gone with the new set up.
I was looking at the Yamaha rx-v6a for its 7.2 Atmos capability, which according to the manual it looks like it has 9 speaker outputs: LCR, L/R front presence, L/R rear and L/R rear presence
I'm open to other receiver options

2. Room dimensions (listening space AND any adjacent spaces that it opens up to)
The room is an open condo with a combined kitchen and living room, The whole area is 17' x 17' with the viewing area along the outer wall. Seating is 12-13' from the TV

3. Anticipated usage (% music vs % HT/TV/gaming)
Aside from regular TV watching, I'd say the HT/Music mix would be 50/50.

4. Loudness preferences: moderate? loud? wall-shaking loud?
Based on answer to number 8 and that I currently live in a condo, maximum would be the loud category.

5. Bass preferences: fill-in bass for music? Fully HEARD bass, or fully FELT, wall-shaking bass during movies?
Same as in number 4. Not into wall shaking bass, but I also don't want loud, one note base that will give me a headache.

6. Any WAF (Wife Approval Factor), i.e. aesthetic requirements?
None yet

7. Any safety concerns (small kids or large dogs)?
Nope

8. Viewing content: blockbuster action movies? Dramas/comedies/documentaries/sports?
Vast majority is Dramas/comedies/documentaries/sports

9. Music content: jazz/classical/vocals? Rock? Rap/house/techno/EDM?
Vast majority is Rock music
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If you like the Yamaha RX-V6A and shopping at Costco is an option with your membership or a friend's, the Costco-only Yamaha TSR-700 is a rebadged clone for 2/3 the price.
If you don't need/want wall-shaking bass, you can keep the price down a bit for the subs, but the sub sees the entire open floor plan, while the speakers only need to be "matched" to the viewing area.

You can probably keep the costs in line by focusing the budget on the center channel speaker and the sub, and filling in the L/R with good bookshelves and then surrounds and Atmos speakers.
If possible avoid up-firing Atmos modules that try to bounce the sound off of the ceiling. Angled in-ceiling speakers are what was intended, and if that's not possible, try height speakers on the wall near the ceiling.

While "good" subwoofers start at about $400 and go up from there, given the size of your space and the AVR, the SVS PB-1000 Pro may be the sweet sweet spot
It's a good performer for the price, and has a DSP on board to help match it to our room, which some lower-tier AVRs (most 7 channel receivers) can struggle to do.
SVS also has free shipping and returns from their website, and can be found in many local retail stores. Basically you pay a bit more for these conveniences.

A potential system might look like this (looking at items that seem available as of the time I'm posting):
Denon AVR-S750H from Costco
Polk LSIM 704c center, S20 bookshelves for L/R, OWM3 for surrounds if you need to wall mount them, or maybe T15 bookshelves if you can sit them on a shelf
Monoprice angled in-ceiling speakers for Atmos
SVS PB-1000 Pro subwoofer

That's about 90% of your budget leaving you a little wiggle room for an upgrade or 2. If your budget can stretch a bit, of course that opens up more options.

If you can wait, there are some items that aren't available now that might be appealing to you.
At Costco, the Yamaha TSR-700 AVR isn't in stock right now, but is the same price as the Denon, and offers HDMI 2.1 features.
Emotiva speakers are well regarded, but the B1+ bookshelf speakers aren't in stock right now, and otherwise wouldn't fit the budget (T0+ speakers bust the budget a bit)
If on sale, Infinity Reference speakers offer huge value. RC263 center + R162 bookshelves and RS152 surrounds would cost less than the Polk set and outperform it.

1. Maximum total budget? (and current equipment, if any)
for the receiver and speakers: ~$2000
I was looking at the Yamaha rx-v6a for its 7.2 Atmos capability
I'm open to other receiver options
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Denon S750H from Costco $400 or less (got mine for $75 off + tax) - this only does 7.2 so atmos won't work with it
Emotiva C1+ Center $250 or Infinity RC263 (if you can get it on special)
Infinity Reference R263 Towers $500 for the pair when on special
JBL Studio 530 $250 per pair X 2
Dont run atmos so can't help you there
SVS PB Pro 1000 $600

For just under $2000, you're getting 5.1 and for just over $2000 7.1. You are also getting really good value for money on all fronts.

With that said, Adorama had a deal a week or two ago that have a complete set of Klipsch speakers with an AVR for around $2200. While you were giving up some value in some areas (center and sub - the two most important), you were gaining value in others (avr and atmos). I just took a quick look and couldn't find it. You may want to check out Adorama to see if they have any deal that tickles your fancy.
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I would be hard pressed to believe you wouldn’t like Emotiva. I’d propose two options, one within your budget, one that requires a little more saving.

Budget:
Tzero+ - $399 x2 L/R and Surrounds
C1+ - $249
Subwoofer - PB-1000 pro $599
AVR - Denon 750h $369.99 (sale)

$2200 (ish)

Pushing Budget:
T1+ -$699 L/R
C2+ -$399 Center
Tzero+ -$399 surrounds
Subwoofer - PB-1000 pro $599
AVR - Denon 750h $369.99

$2500 (ish)

IMO you shouldn’t skimp on LRC or Sub. I’d spend the $2500 for the better front stage. You could always drop to an RSL speedwoofer if you really think Bass isn’t as important to you. The built in DSP for the SVS would be helpful given the lower end AVR. Also, if mounting isn’t an issue and you want to save a few bucks switch the Tzero+ out for B2+ in any of the above arrangements.

I haven’t heard the Triangle sets that regularly go on sale at Adorama…but they get good reviews, if you can wait you might see some value that way.
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The Denon AVR-S750H does have Atmos capabilities for 5.1.2.
I'm pretty sure all Denon (and pretty much every mainstream brand) 7-channel or higher AVRs since at least 2015 have Atmos capabilities.

I was looking at the Yamaha rx-v6a for its 7.2 Atmos capability
Denon S750H from Costco $400 or less (got mine for $75 off + tax) - this only does 7.2 so atmos won't work with it
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I think a RSL Speedwoofer s10 would be better than a PB/SB/PRO100 and it's $399. delivered



(My preference having owned all three. )
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The Denon AVR-S750H does have Atmos capabilities for 5.1.2.
I'm pretty sure all Denon (and pretty much every mainstream brand) 7-channel or higher AVRs since at least 2015 have Atmos capabilities.
I don't think I was clear enough. Given that Denon S750H only does 7.2, the OP would have to choose between 3.2.4, 5.2.2 and 7.2.0. I don't do Atmos, but I have read that if you're going to do Atmos, you should have at least 4 speakers. I personally believe that 3.X, 5.X and 7.X are all better than Atmos so I concluded you wouldn't do Atmos with the 750. I mistakenly said "it can't" do it where I really should have said, if you want Atmos, then you should look at an AVR with more channel support.
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Unfortunately, 9 channel or higher AVRs jumps the price quite a bit and busts budget (not much in this case though)
That Onkyo/Klipsch deal at Adorama is pretty sweet and may meet OP's needs after adding in some Atmos speakers for 5.2.4

I was looking at the Yamaha rx-v6a for its 7.2 Atmos capability
Adorama had a deal a week or two ago that have a complete set of Klipsch speakers with an AVR for around $2200.
I don't think I was clear enough. Given that Denon S750H only does 7.2, the OP would have to choose between 3.2.4, 5.2.2 and 7.2.0. I don't do Atmos, but I have read that if you're going to do Atmos, you should have at least 4 speakers. I personally believe that 3.X, 5.X and 7.X are all better than Atmos so I concluded you wouldn't do Atmos with the 750. I mistakenly said "it can't" do it where I really should have said, if you want Atmos, then you should look at an AVR with more channel support.
I have 5.2.2 and adding just the two "Atmos" speakers made a significant difference. Most of what I've read from users here is that when limited to 7 channels the height/Atmos speakers makes more of difference than back surrounds.
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I have 5.2.2 and adding just the two "Atmos" speakers made a significant difference. Most of what I've read from users here is that when limited to 7 channels the height/Atmos speakers makes more of difference than back surrounds.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Admittedly I have none with Atmos so I cannot offer a competing perspective. I will need to try it out for myself. What movie or other source did you test it out with?
Thanks for all the input. I've tried to summarize everyone's into this table. I'll start doing some research to learn more about each of the speakers.
My first question is if I can't use in-ceiling speakers because of a concrete ceiling, would I use another pair of surrounds for the front height speakers at ceiling level?
I'm also wondering what to set the budget for the surrounds at. Does something like the T0+ for surrounds seem like a lot?

L/RCenterSurroundsAtmosSub
Polk S20Polk LSIM 704cPolk OWM3Monoprice in-ceilingSVS PB-1000 Pro
Infinity R162Infinity RC263Infinity RS152RSL Speedwoofer 10s
Infinity R263Emotiva C1+Emotiva T0+
Emotiva T1+Emotiva C2+Emotiva B1+
Emotiva B1+JBL Studio 530
Emotiva T0+


If you like the Yamaha RX-V6A and shopping at Costco is an option with your membership or a friend's, the Costco-only Yamaha TSR-700 is a rebadged clone for 2/3 the price.
If you don't need/want wall-shaking bass, you can keep the price down a bit for the subs, but the sub sees the entire open floor plan, while the speakers only need to be "matched" to the viewing area.

You can probably keep the costs in line by focusing the budget on the center channel speaker and the sub, and filling in the L/R with good bookshelves and then surrounds and Atmos speakers.
If possible avoid up-firing Atmos modules that try to bounce the sound off of the ceiling. Angled in-ceiling speakers are what was intended, and if that's not possible, try height speakers on the wall near the ceiling.

While "good" subwoofers start at about $400 and go up from there, given the size of your space and the AVR, the SVS PB-1000 Pro may be the sweet sweet spot
It's a good performer for the price, and has a DSP on board to help match it to our room, which some lower-tier AVRs (most 7 channel receivers) can struggle to do.
SVS also has free shipping and returns from their website, and can be found in many local retail stores. Basically you pay a bit more for these conveniences.

A potential system might look like this (looking at items that seem available as of the time I'm posting):
Denon AVR-S750H from Costco
Polk LSIM 704c center, S20 bookshelves for L/R, OWM3 for surrounds if you need to wall mount them, or maybe T15 bookshelves if you can sit them on a shelf
Monoprice angled in-ceiling speakers for Atmos
SVS PB-1000 Pro subwoofer

That's about 90% of your budget leaving you a little wiggle room for an upgrade or 2. If your budget can stretch a bit, of course that opens up more options.

If you can wait, there are some items that aren't available now that might be appealing to you.
At Costco, the Yamaha TSR-700 AVR isn't in stock right now, but is the same price as the Denon, and offers HDMI 2.1 features.
Emotiva speakers are well regarded, but the B1+ bookshelf speakers aren't in stock right now, and otherwise wouldn't fit the budget (T0+ speakers bust the budget a bit)
If on sale, Infinity Reference speakers offer huge value. RC263 center + R162 bookshelves and RS152 surrounds would cost less than the Polk set and outperform it.
Denon S750H from Costco $400 or less (got mine for $75 off + tax) - this only does 7.2 so atmos won't work with it
Emotiva C1+ Center $250 or Infinity RC263 (if you can get it on special)
Infinity Reference R263 Towers $500 for the pair when on special
JBL Studio 530 $250 per pair X 2
Dont run atmos so can't help you there
SVS PB Pro 1000 $600

For just under $2000, you're getting 5.1 and for just over $2000 7.1. You are also getting really good value for money on all fronts.

With that said, Adorama had a deal a week or two ago that have a complete set of Klipsch speakers with an AVR for around $2200. While you were giving up some value in some areas (center and sub - the two most important), you were gaining value in others (avr and atmos). I just took a quick look and couldn't find it. You may want to check out Adorama to see if they have any deal that tickles your fancy.
I would be hard pressed to believe you wouldn’t like Emotiva. I’d propose two options, one within your budget, one that requires a little more saving.

Budget:
Tzero+ - $399 x2 L/R and Surrounds
C1+ - $249
Subwoofer - PB-1000 pro $599
AVR - Denon 750h $369.99 (sale)

$2200 (ish)

Pushing Budget:
T1+ -$699 L/R
C2+ -$399 Center
Tzero+ -$399 surrounds
Subwoofer - PB-1000 pro $599
AVR - Denon 750h $369.99

$2500 (ish)

IMO you shouldn’t skimp on LRC or Sub. I’d spend the $2500 for the better front stage. You could always drop to an RSL speedwoofer if you really think Bass isn’t as important to you. The built in DSP for the SVS would be helpful given the lower end AVR. Also, if mounting isn’t an issue and you want to save a few bucks switch the Tzero+ out for B2+ in any of the above arrangements.

I haven’t heard the Triangle sets that regularly go on sale at Adorama…but they get good reviews, if you can wait you might see some value that way.
I think a RSL Speedwoofer s10 would be better than a PB/SB/PRO100 and it's $399. delivered



(My preference having owned all three. )
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Or you could just be lazy or make it easy and get this-
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Thanks for all the input. I've tried to summarize everyone's into this table. I'll start doing some research to learn more about each of the speakers.
My first question is if I can't use in-ceiling speakers because of a concrete ceiling, would I use another pair of surrounds for the front height speakers at ceiling level?
I'm also wondering what to set the budget for the surrounds at. Does something like the T0+ for surrounds seem like a lot?

Yes, you could do front heights.

The T0s are $400/pr which is pretty reasonable considering that decent surround speakers usually cost $250-350/pr PLUS you have to pay for stands, another $60-100/pr unless wall mounting in which case you'd have to pay for wall mount brackets ($20-40/pr) so the cost difference is negligible and you get two woofers instead of one.
Yes, you could do front heights.

The T0s are $400/pr which is pretty reasonable considering that decent surround speakers usually cost $250-350/pr PLUS you have to pay for stands, another $60-100/pr unless wall mounting in which case you'd have to pay for wall mount brackets ($20-40/pr) so the cost difference is negligible and you get two woofers instead of one.
The only downside to using those towers as surrounds is the tweeter height. You generally want the surround speakers positioned above and slightly behind your listening position, which is easier to accomplish with some taller stands or wall-mounts. They will work fine, but it wouldn't be my first choice.
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