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I'm looking for new speakers on a budget. This Tv/living room area is where we do all our movie and video game playing. The receiver I'm looking at is the Onkyo TX-NR616. Speakers I have no idea. I was looking at the Energy 5.1 system but I want to do 7.1. The system I'm replacing now is this HT-S780. I have it in a 5.1 configuration right now. My budget for speakers is around 600-800 dollars. Thanks for your help. I've upload a doc with my current speaker.
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I'm looking for new speakers on a budget. This Tv/living room area is where we do all our movie and video game playing. The receiver I'm looking at is the Onkyo TX-NR616. Speakers I have no idea. I was looking at the Energy 5.1 system but I want to do 7.1. The system I'm replacing now is this HT-S780. I have it in a 5.1 configuration right now. My budget for speakers is around 600-800 dollars. Thanks for your help. I've upload a doc with my current speaker.
floor_plans33.pdf 187k .pdf file

Your setup, is exactly like my old setup from years ago. Within that budget range i highly suggest buying these items. Then find a good 7.1 receiver, denon, onkyo, or pioneer ect... These items should get you started. Then all you need to do is find a good receiver on discount, and

2 additional rear speakers for the 7.1 setup, or keep 2 from your current setup (cheapest method)


Take a look at some of the items and make a choice, or keep an eye out for something different.


Jamo 5.1 set $180
http://www.amazon.com/Jamo-426-HCS-WENGE-5-Piece/dp/B003GGXGU6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1367031106&sr=8-1&keywords=jamo


Decent receiver for $250
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-STRDH720-Channel-Receiver-Black/dp/B004QOA92A/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1367031850&sr=8-3&keywords=receiver+7.1


Or


Pioneer for $301 and it comes with ipod control/network pandoria ect..
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-VSX-1022-K-7-Channel-Receiver-Network/dp/B007O5ATC8/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1367031850&sr=8-9&keywords=receiver+7.1


Polk 12 sub $229
http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-12-Inch-Powered-Subwoofer/dp/B000092TT0/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1367031170&sr=1-1&keywords=polk+505


Or Polk 10sub $107
http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-10-Inch-Monitor-Subwoofer/dp/B0002KVQBA/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1367031182&sr=1-1&keywords=polk+10
 

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Looking at your room configuration, I don't see how you can easily do a 7.1 speaker configuration. You don't have enough room between the rear of your couch and the back speakers to get any added benefit. You're truly wasting your money going past 5.1 in this particular living room unless you can put the A/V equipment in a different room where you can spread out your surround speakers.


Could you possibly increase your speaker budget a tad? It's pretty darn tight as it is. You'll find that your options and the speaker quality will increase quite a bit if you can.


The Jamo set is only slightly better than what you currently have. I would think you would want to take the next step up in audio quality, which will demand an increased budget outlay. Not by a huge amount, relatively speaking, of course.


Ascend Acoustics.com package:


CMT-340 SE fronts

CMT-340 SE center

CBM-170 SE bookshelf surrounds (or go with HTM-200 SE's if wall mounting).


Total price: $1,216 shipping included or $1,158 with HTM-200 SE's (if you want the matching, fillable pedestal stands for the left/right CMT-340's, which turns them into towers, they're $140 extra for the pair when purchased together)

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/


Klipsch RW-12d Subwoofer


Total price: $299.99 @ Newegg.com

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780078


Grand total: $1515.99 (or slightly less with the HTM-200 SE speakers)


This'll kick the snot out of the Jamo package and lay waste to what you have currently.
 

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Originally Posted by KennyPa  /t/1470166/new-speakers-for-my-living-room-area#post_23250691


I'm looking for new speakers on a budget. This Tv/living room area is where we do all our movie and video game playing. The receiver I'm looking at is the Onkyo TX-NR616. Speakers I have no idea. I was looking at the Energy 5.1 system but I want to do 7.1. The system I'm replacing now i http://www.newegg.com/Home-Audio-Speakers/BrandSubCat/ID-12345-494?Pagesize=100 s this HT-S780. I have it in a 5.1 configuration right now. My budget for speakers is around 600-800 dollars. Thanks for your help. I've upload a doc with my current speaker.
floor_plans33.pdf 187k .pdf file

For a sub, a BIC F-12:

http://www.provantage.com/bic-america-f12~7BICA003.htm


For the rest of the speakers:


Fronts= Polk 55T


Center=Polk 25C


Rears=Polk 35B


Here is a link to all the Polks:

http://www.newegg.com/Home-Audio-Speakers/BrandSubCat/ID-12345-494?Pagesize=100



Total price is just shy of $700.


While the sale ends tonight, these speakers go on sale pretty frequently.


Also, the Andrew Jones Pioneer speakers from Best Buy would be a good fit for your budget with the BIC sub.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olstemplatemapper.jsp?id=pcat17080&type=page&qp=cabcat0200000%23%23-1%23%23-1~~cpcmcat241600050001%23%23-1%23%23-1~~cabcat0205000%23%23-1%23%23-1~~q466173746c696d69747067735f323639~~nf398%7C%7C50696f6e656572&list=y&nrp=15&sc=audioSP&sp=-bestsellingsort+skuid&usc=abcat0200000


Alternately, you can upgrade to the Klipsch RW-12d sub f and be at just about the top end of your budget.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=82-780-078&Tpk=82-780-078


And then there is always the possibility of open box and close out items at B&M stores.
 

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In my honest opinion, I think you can do much better than Polk speakers. The quality vs. cost just doesn't justify this brand any more. Pretty disappointing as they used to be fairly good speakers in their heyday.


Those Ascends would be far better.
 

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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman  /t/1470166/new-speakers-for-my-living-room-area#post_23255744


In my honest opinion, I think you can do much better than Polk speakers. The quality vs. cost just doesn't justify this brand any more. Pretty disappointing as they used to be fairly good speakers in their heyday.


Those Ascends would be far better.

Just curious could you please refer me to a better speaker than a polk a7 or rti12 for 299.00 each? I respect your opinion and I am not trying to jump your arse, but some proof of these claims would be excellent. Then maybe I can possibly see or understand what I am missing out on.
 

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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman  /t/1470166/new-speakers-for-my-living-room-area#post_23255193


Looking at your room configuration, I don't see how you can easily do a 7.1 speaker configuration. You don't have enough room between the rear of your couch and the back speakers to get any added benefit. You're truly wasting your money going past 5.1 in this particular living room unless you can put the A/V equipment in a different room where you can spread out your surround speakers.


Could you possibly increase your speaker budget a tad? It's pretty darn tight as it is. You'll find that your options and the speaker quality will increase quite a bit if you can.


The Jamo set is only slightly better than what you currently have. I would think you would want to take the next step up in audio quality, which will demand an increased budget outlay. Not by a huge amount, relatively speaking, of course.


Ascend Acoustics.com package:


CMT-340 SE fronts

CMT-340 SE center

CBM-170 SE bookshelf surrounds (or go with HTM-200 SE's if wall mounting).


Total price: $1,216 shipping included or $1,158 with HTM-200 SE's (if you want the matching, fillable pedestal stands for the left/right CMT-340's, which turns them into towers, they're $140 extra for the pair when purchased together)

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/


Klipsch RW-12d Subwoofer


Total price: $299.99 @ Newegg.com

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780078


Grand total: $1515.99 (or slightly less with the HTM-200 SE speakers)


This'll kick the snot out of the Jamo package and lay waste to what you have currently.


With me not using 7.1 wouldn't I lose True Dolby sound? I've also heard that polks aren't worth the money as they use to be.
 

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Originally Posted by basshead81  /t/1470166/new-speakers-for-my-living-room-area#post_23255757


Just curious could you please refer me to a better speaker than a polk a7 or rti12 for 299.00 each? I respect your opinion and I am not trying to jump your arse, but some proof of these claims would be excellent. Then maybe I can possibly see or understand what I am missing out on.

In and around that price range, I can think of:


Arx A3c mini floor stander @ theaudioinsider.com


HSU HB-1 mk2 @ hsuresearch.com


Ascend Acoustics CMT-340 SE @ ascendacoustics.com


Aperion Audio Intimus 4T tower @ aperionaudio.com



Yes, a couple of them are large monitors, I know, but taller speakers and more drivers doesn't necessarily mean better overall sound quality. That comes from an inert cabinet, better driver material, and better crossovers.


Also, doing the knuckle wrap test, these cabinets are heavily braced with thick MDF walls.
 

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Originally Posted by KennyPa  /t/1470166/new-speakers-for-my-living-room-area#post_23255890


With me not using 7.1 wouldn't I lose True Dolby sound? I've also heard that polks aren't worth the money as they use to be.

I would agree to a point...but in all fariness most brick and mortar speakers are not worth retail price
however you can get polks much cheaper than list price if you shop around. I gurantee there is not much out there that will rival a rti12 for 299.00 each. check put frys.com.
 

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With me not using 7.1 wouldn't I lose True Dolby sound? I've also heard that polks aren't worth the money as they use to be.

Very true about the Polks. I used to own some myself... from the 90's vintage. They've gone cheap in the last few years.


While Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio tracks on Blu-ray can have up to 7.1 discrete audio, unless you have a few feet or more of space behind your listening area for the back speakers... the sounds emanating from the side and rear channels will all seem to blob together and you won't get much in the way of 360 degree envelopment.


Telling your receiver that you only have 5.1 speakers, will allow it to fold the back surround channels into the sides if you are playing a 7.1 track, so you don't miss anything in the audio track.


There are slightly fancier receivers on the market with DTS Neo:X processing that will allow you to have front wide speakers or front height effects speakers, so you can at least expand your front sound stage, even if you can't take full advantage of the 7.1 tracks.


Of course, this all changes if you have a more dedicated listening space that can accommodate side and rear surround speakers.


Here's a diagram to help visualize what I'm saying:




A little about DTS Neo:X

http://www.dts.com/consumers/entertainment-audio/neox.aspx
 

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Originally Posted by basshead81  /t/1470166/new-speakers-for-my-living-room-area#post_23255943


I would agree to a point...but in all fariness most brick and mortar speakers are not worth retail price
however you can get polks much cheaper than list price if you shop around. I gurantee there is not much out there that will rival a rti12 for 299.00 each. check put frys.com.

I wouldn't put that guarantee in writing.
 

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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman  /t/1470166/new-speakers-for-my-living-room-area#post_23255927


In and around that price range, I can think of:


Arx A3c mini floor stander @ theaudioinsider.com


HSU HB-1 mk2 @ hsuresearch.com


Ascend Acoustics CMT-340 SE @ ascendacoustics.com


Aperion Audio Intimus 4T tower @ aperionaudio.com



Yes, a couple of them are large monitors, I know, but bigger and more drivers doesn't necessarily mean better overall sound quality.


Also, doing the knuckle wrap test, these cabinets are heavily braced with thick MDF walls.

the a7's are very well built and have thick mdf walls...about 53lbs ea. I highly doubt the asperion dual 4" driver tower is going to have near the bass output of the a7, the ascend 340 might be close, hsu hb-1 wont touch the a7 either. have you personally compared all of these speakers?
 

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I wouldn't put that guarantee in writing.

your probably right...the problem is how does one test all these speakers before making a choice? there are so many options, opinions, and not everybody hears the same. I know there are speakers much better than polk, but to say they are not very good is far from the truth imo.
 

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the a7's are very well built and have thick mdf walls...about 53lbs ea. I highly doubt the asperion dual 4" driver tower is going to have near the bass output of the a7, the ascend 340 might be close, hsu hb-1 wont touch the a7 either. have you personally compared all of these speakers?

I've finally heard each one. Heard the Polk's at my neighbors and at the store. Was checking out some various speakers for my dad's living room. He decided to up his budget at the end and chose the Aperion Verus Forte towers and a Verus Grand center in gloss cherry. Doing the internet route can be a pain in the ass with boxing and unboxing, but also kind of fun. It fit his tastes the best.


I personally have Paradigm Studio's with 100 fronts and the CC-690 center.
 

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man i wish there was a store close by that i could demo some those ID speakers.

Kind of hard with internet direct speakers.
But it's a bit like Christmas until you hit the ones that bowl you over.
 

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Originally Posted by KennyPa  /t/1470166/new-speakers-for-my-living-room-area#post_23405576

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882981013&nm_mc=EMC-EXPRESS060813&cm_mmc=EMC-EXPRESS060813-_-EMC-060813-Index-_-HomeAudioSpeakers-_-82981013-L01A


Would these speakers do fine in my living room?

Please believe me... you're going sideways, not upgrading. If anything, it might actually be a slight downgrade with the speakers from the Onkyo HTiB.


If you still find your budget tight... just get a little bit at a time and get better stuff. Arx, HSU, Ascend, Aperion, Paradigm, PSB, Boston Acoustic's A Series, etc.
 
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