I'm with you there. Do these manufacturers know something that we don't? Because the view from here is that HDCP is quickly picking up steam and very likely to be part of any eventual HD-DVD product.
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Why aren't the manufacturers including DVI-HDCP or HDMI in their latest offerings? There is still not much other than the HS-10 and the HT-1000. I get all exited reading about the latest so called best projectors at projectorcentral and then throw my hands up when I see they don't include the new copy protection format. For some reason Evan Powell (the reviewer) does not seem to make it that big a deal that these new projectors can possibly run into problems with HD viewing in the future. This interface is not something that has just been introduced yesterday!!
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I think the view is that there are too many consumers out there who have bought "HDTV-ready" televisions and projectors without HDCP that the industry is going to have to come up with some solution for these people (be it a converter box or a completely different copy protection standard) or they will face a class-action lawsuit.
If HDCP takes effect, there are going to be a lot of pissed off people who are stuck with bulky 65" RPTVs and no way to watch HD.
If HDCP takes effect, there are going to be a lot of pissed off people who are stuck with bulky 65" RPTVs and no way to watch HD.
You really think they would "grandfather" the earlier buyers?
i think when they do flip the switch they will offer a grace period before blocking the non-HDCP population out...probably a year or two at the least. there are millions of people who own HD capable sets and while i don't know that they have a legal claim or right to receive HDTV broadcasts...they will make a large contingent of really pissed off early adopters.
Technology changes so much that HDCP may not be the final standard. If that happens, then those who have an HDCP-compatible DVI input will require a converter box...the same as those who have a DVI that is not HDCP-compatible.
So I'm not sure whether I would rather have a plain DVI input and use a converter box, if needed, or not. It would have been nice if the 300U had HDCP, but at this time it's not really an issue yet.
Ken
So I'm not sure whether I would rather have a plain DVI input and use a converter box, if needed, or not. It would have been nice if the 300U had HDCP, but at this time it's not really an issue yet.
Ken
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I was kind of hoping that they would "Grandfather" leaded gas in the '70s as I had just bought a new BMW... no such luck.
| Originally posted by broadwayblue i think when they do flip the switch they will offer a grace period before blocking the non-HDCP population out...probably a year or two at the least. there are millions of people who own HD capable sets and while i don't know that they have a legal claim or right to receive HDTV broadcasts...they will make a large contingent of really pissed off early adopters. |
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Think about it, if a "converter box" took copyprotected software and rendered so that any display devise could display it, the copyprotection would be defeated no matter what standard it is. The only way copyprotection can work is when its built in to the display device.
| If that happens, then those who have an HDCP-compatible DVI input will require a converter box...the same as those who have a DVI that is not HDCP-compatible. |
A real cynic would say that the manufactures/marketers omit important future-proofing features in order to sell today's models to the early adopters and then sell them and everyone else the 'new and improved' models when they finally do add those features...
It didn't seem to prevent them from making plenty of money from willing customers who bought mono VCR's with wired remote, mono VCR's with wireless remote, Stereo VCR's, Hi-Fi Stereo VCR's, 4 head VCR's, 4 head, Hi-Fi Stereo VCR's, 4 head/Flying Erase head, Hi-Fi Stereo VCR's, Super-VHS, Hi-Fi Stereo VCR's, etc., etc. Does anyone really believe that the idea of a Hi-Fi Stereo VCR with decent picture quality and controlled by a wireless remote didn't occur to the designers/engineers until two years after the initial sales?
I think what they do is to spec out the top of the line version of these products first and then pare away a few important but relatively invisible (to the casual purchaser) features first to sell the products that will pay for the initial research and developement investment and to see if there's as much clamor for those important invisible features as their marketing department calculated.
But I'm not that kind of cynic...
LOL!
It didn't seem to prevent them from making plenty of money from willing customers who bought mono VCR's with wired remote, mono VCR's with wireless remote, Stereo VCR's, Hi-Fi Stereo VCR's, 4 head VCR's, 4 head, Hi-Fi Stereo VCR's, 4 head/Flying Erase head, Hi-Fi Stereo VCR's, Super-VHS, Hi-Fi Stereo VCR's, etc., etc. Does anyone really believe that the idea of a Hi-Fi Stereo VCR with decent picture quality and controlled by a wireless remote didn't occur to the designers/engineers until two years after the initial sales?
I think what they do is to spec out the top of the line version of these products first and then pare away a few important but relatively invisible (to the casual purchaser) features first to sell the products that will pay for the initial research and developement investment and to see if there's as much clamor for those important invisible features as their marketing department calculated.
But I'm not that kind of cynic...
LOL!
Originally posted by maple leafs
Why aren't the manufacturers including DVI-HDCP or HDMI in their latest offerings? There is still not much other than the HS-10 and the HT-1000.
I totally agree. What (16:9) projectors have DVI-HDPC? Do any have HDMI? The HT-1000 is nice but it is a 4:3 pj. I would not buy a new projector without HDPC. Hopefully the new Sony SXRD will have it!
Eddie
Rember that only PPV movies/events are probably slated to be copyprotected. OTA should still be ok and probably hbo/shotime.
I do agree with hitchfan though, look at intel with thier processor upgrades. Do you really think that they only come up with the technology for a faster processor as time comes. Once they create the architecter, for example pentimum 3, they probably created the technology to create the fastest p3 the same day the put out the first one. They just put it out one at a time to make sure the guys who bought the 300mhz p3 will upgrade and by a 1g.g p3 a year or two later.
my 2 cents
dave
I do agree with hitchfan though, look at intel with thier processor upgrades. Do you really think that they only come up with the technology for a faster processor as time comes. Once they create the architecter, for example pentimum 3, they probably created the technology to create the fastest p3 the same day the put out the first one. They just put it out one at a time to make sure the guys who bought the 300mhz p3 will upgrade and by a 1g.g p3 a year or two later.
my 2 cents
dave
It is idiotic that the home-theater-oriented projectors don't have HDCP yet. They all will within a year or so.
Frustrating, but hopefully it won't matter.
Mark
Frustrating, but hopefully it won't matter.
Mark
Actually by the time Intel releases a new processor they actually have at least the next 2 generations on the drawing boards or even in prototype.
How many people's gear is 15' from their pj? Isn't DVI limited to 15' or so unless you get expensive extenders? And do those extenders work with HDCP? I have a 50' run of cable going to my pj. I think many others also have long runs which would make HDCP useless.
I hadn't yet heard that one, Mad Chemist, but it wouldn't surprise me. Would that mean that NO projector's claim to HDCP is valid unless we're prepared to move our cable/satelite box to the back of the room or to the ceiling in order for it to be closer to the projector?
In closing: Right now, the TW-100 sells for $3600 WITHOUT DVI-HDCP. Assuming PJC's high claims for it would otherwise suit one's needs, is there really anyone here who wouldn't have been willing to over-pay an even $4000 to get it WITH DVI-HDCP, forcryinoutloud?
Marketing!
In closing: Right now, the TW-100 sells for $3600 WITHOUT DVI-HDCP. Assuming PJC's high claims for it would otherwise suit one's needs, is there really anyone here who wouldn't have been willing to over-pay an even $4000 to get it WITH DVI-HDCP, forcryinoutloud?
Marketing!
The extenders are expensive, but they absolutely exist. And for a $5000 projector, spending $500 on an exotic cable is not out of the question.
Next year, the HDMI connector will replace the DVI/HDCP connector and allow for longer cable lengths.
Mark
Next year, the HDMI connector will replace the DVI/HDCP connector and allow for longer cable lengths.
Mark
next year? that's quite a ways off.
hitchfan, yeah i think it's quite unfortunate that the epson doesn't have HDCP. it would really be hard to beat (under 5k) if it did. i'm hoping they get around to it in time for the next model.
hitchfan, yeah i think it's quite unfortunate that the epson doesn't have HDCP. it would really be hard to beat (under 5k) if it did. i'm hoping they get around to it in time for the next model.
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FYI, every projector we make with DVI also has HDCP.
| Originally posted by maple leafs Why aren't the manufacturers including DVI-HDCP or HDMI in their latest offerings? |
Bob, do you have any models around the same price and specs as the HS-10 or HT-1000?
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