Quote:
Originally Posted by TouchToBegin /forum/post/15615141
Well I just check my Books Open email on the matter. That must make me a...yes a Control4 dealer. The Customer registers the license through their MyControl4 portal and the dealer simply enables it in the program. So no, a site visit is not necessary. 4sight allows for remote programming. Some dealers would charge for this. I'd wager a lot will do it gratis as part of the Control UI sale, as I would.
Even if you do not charge a fee for install your Control4 client still has to pay $300.00 for the iPhone app +$99.00 per year for 4Sight, IF they do not have 4Sight already.
Let me ask you this. If your client does not have 4Sight and does not want to pay $99 per year for it are you going to charge him/her to go out and configure their system for FREE? I doubt it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TouchToBegin /forum/post/15615141
So your current whole house TP is a 3.5" panel that needs excessive nagivation drill down?
You need to learn how to read. NO WHERE in my posts, regarding the cost of Control4 vs Crestron iPhone app, did I EVER mention that my current whole house TP is a 3.5". What does that have to do with anything
Quote:
Originally Posted by TouchToBegin /forum/post/15615141
What is your 'whole house' TP? It it a large panel? If so, how can you say this will map down to the iPhone without reprogramming?
A quick lesson. A "Digital Join" on a 8X, 4L, 4X or any Crestron TP will always be mapped to the same logic. For example, if "Digital Join 1" is mapped to "Volume_Control_Up" on a 8X. Then on every TP the "Digital Join 1" is "Volume_Control_Up". It's called consistency. I have personally added TP's to EXISTING Crestron installs I have done in as little as 20 min on average about 30-40 min.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TouchToBegin /forum/post/15615141
Are you also providing a magnifying glass with that $175? The Crestron framework isn't even on iTunes yet. Do you have an Apple Enterprise Developers license to bypass App Store?
I actually do. I also own one of the largest Xserve management companies in the US. We colocate and manage Xserve for some of the largest companies (Fortune 100) in the US. But thats a TOTALLY separate company and has nothing to do with this discussion.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TouchToBegin /forum/post/15615141
How do you even know what the capabilities of Crestron's framework will be? I just went through my notes from Masters Class about the iPhone/Touch product and it's pretty limited on info. Do you have the VTProe Alpha that supports this?
If that is TRUE then your whole argument is in valid because you would understand that it does not take much to add a TP to and existing Crestron system. Also, let me clarify "Existing Crestron System". When I say "Existing Crestron System" I am talking about a system we installed and programmed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TouchToBegin /forum/post/15615141
Maybe its true for your installs, but it most certainly will not be true for a lot of Crestron dealers.
I NEVER said ALL dealers some dealers or even "a lot". UNLIKE you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TouchToBegin /forum/post/15615141
I'd wager a lot will do it gratis as part of the Control UI sale, as I would.
Maybe its true for your installs, but it most certainly will not be true for a lot of Control4 dealers. Sound familiar ? ? ?
Here are the Control4 FACTS. Tell me which one is NOT true.
1) Control4 iPhone app costs $300 PER iPhone/iPod Touch
2) Requires Control4 Dealer install.
3) Control4 Remote/Web Access, to allow C4 dealers access to clients system, runs $99.00 PER YEAR.
At MINIMUM it will run a Control4 client $300.00.
If they do not have 4Sight then $399.00
If their dealer charges for install (say $75.00) $474.00
All of the ABOVE are facts.
Crestron Facts.
1) iPhone app will be FREE.
2) Requires Dealer Install @175.00 THIS IS OUR CHARGE ONLY
3) Crestron Remote/Web Access, to allow Crestron Dealers access to clients system is FREE.
It will cost our Crestron clients $175.00 for a iPhone install where as it will cost your Control4 Clients $300.00 minimum and can be as high as $474.00
Again, If you do not charge a fee for a iPhone app install your Control4 client still has to pay $300.00 for the iPhone app + $99.00 per year IF they do not have 4Sight. Also, if your client does not have 4Sight and does not want to pay $99 per year for it are you going to charge him/her to go out and configure their system for FREE or for that matter give them 4Sight access for free?