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I just put up (with help!), my near minty 9" AmPro 4300. It replaces a low hour NEC PG Xtra which had replaced a retubed XG 110.


THere are very serious disadvantages when you have a 9" set.


You see EVERY darn nuance of the signal. DVD looks flat compared to HD, and even within the HD content, there are SERIOUS differences between broadcasts.


THe best one tonight seems to be Jay Leno.


(and why the heck is PBS broadcasting turn of the century B/W pix in HD? What the $%*$$*$ is the point????)


So I LOVE it. Brightness and contrast are well below default, I still have no beefs with my old 6000 HD receiver, it looks wonderful.


Funny, the one thing that actually looks better on this set is SD channels bumped up to 1080i, don't ask me why.


Gotta go, gotta watch some mediocre programming in HD..:)


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No doubt, Curt. And congrats on getting the 9" up.

I watched my old windows HD-media tonight on my 9000 and saw things I never noticed on the 8000. In fact, it looks better with 30 minutes of setup than my 8000 did with four months. lol


Btw, my "no doubt" comment is in reference to your statement of noticing problems with the system all of a sudden. Not in regards to your comment of " NO sex needed any more". I gotta disagree with that one. :D
 

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ill never see anyones CRT set-up....especially one that outdoes the 6pg+....


I Love my PG+ and never wanna upgrade,as the tubes are minty fresh;)


im happy happy joy joy right were i am...


my eyes are now closed to this thread:p
 

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Curt,

I had just come in here to post the same thing with one exception. I've had my 4600HD set up (table top) for a couple of weeks now on my small screen (72" 4/3) with the GT17 lenses. Last night I swapped out the lenses with 10L's supplied by Chuchuf. Now with perfect optical focus I have discovered that With the exception of HD content, I've gained nothing over my NEC 9PG plus. I think my NEC, after factory new tubes and two years of tweaking and even having a pro over to check my work has exceeded my source. I'm bummed now with the reality that the only way to appriciate what the 4600HD can do is to improve it's diet. I could tell that the NEC needed more than my Momitsu has to offer, even after the MP-1 mod. The best image I ever saw on the NEC was from my Panasonic DVD player/Quadscan Elite scaler. I'm sure the 4600HD is hungry for more than the QSE can feed it, so now I have to decide on a new scaler that can take advantage of the capability of the PJ.


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Good Lord! You mean that we can suffer from upgrade-itis for years, finally get a dream PJ, get it tweaked to perfection, then get another for a duel stack, and then we have to worry about the damn content quality??? I'm immediately going to get rid of these Ampro 3600's and go back to the little Sony 1020Q that started it all for me. I still remember how I loved having an 80", super brite, SD image-- scan lines and all! You guys have made me feel sorry for Art!


If these things were women (or cars, or construction equipment), what would this madness lead us to do :) I just met the Pres. and V. Pres of the U.S. Caterplillar club which has 2500 members ( http://www.acmoc.org/ ). They had an small exhibition of equipment that dated to the early 40's, but everything was in original equipment condition. And we think a Barco is big and hard to get SAF for.
 

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I don't think we need to feel sorry for Art or his setup. Two G-90s not withstanding, look what he has to feed them with. I would not mind being in that state of sorrow.


Curt, what is your source and what scan rate are you feeding it?


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Chip, the Quadscan is the weak link, I had one or two in the past. If you've used no other processor, it looks good, but if you've got anything newer, you'll see the difference right away.


I'm running HD from a 6000 box direct, and I have the super rare NEC IPS 4000Q quadrupler. I will be selling it as soon as Canada has the Lumagen HDP's in stock.


Right now I'm running 3 memories on the AmPro.


1) 1080i for 4:3 (yeah, you die hards, shut up!)..:)


2) 1080i for HD


3) 720p for DVD


I have not yet set up the memory for 960p, I'll do that tomorrow.


Turned the set on this morning to see if the convergence had drifted...NADA!


Seems that AmPro learned something from repairing 2000's..:)


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Curt,

That's exacty what I'm doing. I prefer a 4:3 screen and squish/mask for wide screen. Using a constant height screen when you watch a lot of SD material puts to much wear on the center of the tubes. For me constant width is the way to go. How good does the NEC work? What will it do with respect to processing, motion detecting and such? What about inputs?


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Chip, the Quadscan is the weak link, I had one or two in the past. If you've used no other processor, it looks good, but if you've got anything newer, you'll see the difference right away.


I'm running HD from a 6000 box direct, and I have the super rare NEC IPS 4000Q quadrupler. I will be selling it as soon as Canada has the Lumagen HDP's in stock.


Right now I'm running 3 memories on the AmPro.


1) 1080i for 4:3 (yeah, you die hards, shut up!)..:)


2) 1080i for HD


3) 720p for DVD


I have not yet set up the memory for 960p, I'll do that tomorrow.


Turned the set on this morning to see if the convergence had drifted...NADA!


Seems that AmPro learned something from repairing 2000's..:)


Curt
The Quadscan Elite HD may not be the cat's a$$ by today's standards but coupled with a decent DVD player via component beats the crap out of my Momitsu. I may un-mod the Momitsu and install the MP-1 in my QSE and see how it is then. FLAME SUIT ON!!!;)


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The NEC is killer. 7 inputs, one RGB passthrough, one component in, the rest are video/s-video which suits me fine.


Wireless remote, color control, blah blah. I got 4 of these in 2001, sold all but one for $2500.00 USD each, and could have sold 10 more if I had them. Retail was apparently $12K USD in 1998, Doug should be able to give a better figure.


THe only downside is the unit has a whiny fan in it that sings louder than even a 1292. I've never opened the unit, I stuffed it into a rack, and have lived with it, but the silence of the Lumagen will be deafening! I'm sure the fan could be changed out.


PQ is awesome, I'm not sure that I'll see a difference with the Lumagen.



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Good Lord! You mean that we can suffer from upgrade-itis for years, finally get a dream PJ, get it tweaked to perfection, then get another for a duel stack, and then we have to worry about the damn content quality???
There is a reason that Alan Gouger's signature says:
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The weakness in my video system is not my displays pixel resolution it’s the source!
There are things that can be done with scalers to help as Curt pointed out. That is one reason that Alan's signature also says:
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I WANT MY 3K TERANEX.
And most of us wouldn't live with videotapes except for the fact that they are the best source we can get (D-Theater).


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"(and why the heck is PBS broadcasting turn of the century B/W pix in HD? What the $%*$$*$ is the point????)"


Assuming you're referring to the Broadway Musical program, I thought lots of the old black & white still photos looked very good in HD. The old films and videos really showed their age, however.


The limitations of most of our source material is readily apparent, even on projectors far below the 9" CRT class.


But that doesn't mean we shouldn't enjoy the programs. I plan to be home tonight to watch the HD rebroadcast of the PBS show on Broadway Musicals. And if I miss that, I guess I'll have to watch my VHS tape (but on the 27" TV, not the projector.) Or I could rent the DVD set...
 

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HD on the Ampro's are second to none, but trying to find a good scaler to keep up with it and make it sing is tough for some reason.


Curt, I know you sell the Lumagens, have you tried one of these yet?



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Wasn,t the last batch of NEC's made by Faroudja?
 

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Yes, I've used lots of Lumagens, never one at home yet though, and they are excellent. One bad power supply out of the box out of about 20 of them, the processors are perfect IMHO.


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That's exacty what I'm doing. I prefer a 4:3 screen and squish/mask for wide screen. Using a constant height screen when you watch a lot of SD material puts to much wear on the center of the tubes. For me constant width is the way to go.
squish/mask for wide screen? Could you elaborate on that a bit? Are you just saying squish it vertically (constant width) instead of squishing it horizontally (constant height)?


Seems to me like the constant-width approach puts too much wear on the center of the tubes if you watch a lot of 16:9 / 1.85:1 / 2.35:1, yes?
 

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Great. Here we go again with the 9inch talk. Should I go ahead and pick up a Marquee 8500 untested with low hours or save some cash for another year and go with the 9inch? I'm currently using a 3101 with almost new 07MS tubes. So is it worth the wait or should I just dig in now?


Thanks,


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And what exactly is an "eyegasm"? Must look something like conjunctivitis. What do you wear for protection, color corrected contacts for maximum enjoyment?


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