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I'm looking at purchasing and installing a home theater system and could use some help from the experts. I've looked at both packages and piecing together the system and are open to both and possibly a combination if need be. I went to Best Buy to listen to the different brands of speakers/systems and really liked the MartinLogan brand if that helps narrow down things. Here are the details on what I'm looking at:


-$1k budget (including everything, but would like to spend less)

-7.1? - Capability to play a movie/game/tv in the main room, while playing something separately for my daughter in her room (will be installing speakers throughout the whole house and possibly a pair of outdoor speakers). Also to be able to play music in the kitchen when we're cooking, but doesn't play in any other room (forgot what this feature is called).

-30% TV, 30% games, 25% movies, 15% music

-Good, clean highs/mids and solid, deep bass - sometimes I like to really crank it up, so I want a system that can handle that without distortion

-I will be hooking this up to my 46" HDTV, PS3 and my cable feed is coming through a 1080p DVR box


I've looked at the Onkyo S6300 and aside from the running hot and no sub protection issues, it looks like a pretty solid HTIB. The only components I'd need to add to this are speakers for our master bedroom, baby's room and kitchen. Any thoughts on this system? Are there any others you'd recommend like a Denon DHT591BA or anything else?


What about piecing together a system, any recommendations on components and receivers?
 

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I'm looking at purchasing and installing a home theater system and could use some help from the experts. I've looked at both packages and piecing together the system and are open to both and possibly a combination if need be. I went to Best Buy to listen to the different brands of speakers/systems and really liked the MartinLogan brand if that helps narrow down things. Here are the details on what I'm looking at:


-$1k budget (including everything, but would like to spend less)

-7.1? - Capability to play a movie/game/tv in the main room, while playing something separately for my daughter in her room (will be installing speakers throughout the whole house and possibly a pair of outdoor speakers). Also to be able to play music in the kitchen when we're cooking, but doesn't play in any other room (forgot what this feature is called).

-30% TV, 30% games, 25% movies, 15% music

-Good, clean highs/mids and solid, deep bass - sometimes I like to really crank it up, so I want a system that can handle that without distortion

-I will be hooking this up to my 46" HDTV, PS3 and my cable feed is coming through a 1080p DVR box


I've looked at the Onkyo S6300 and aside from the running hot and no sub protection issues, it looks like a pretty solid HTIB. The only components I'd need to add to this are speakers for our master bedroom, baby's room and kitchen. Any thoughts on this system? Are there any others you'd recommend like a Denon DHT591BA or anything else? How about a pieced together system, any recommendations on components and receivers?

Are you trying to get a 7.1 in addition to all those other speakers for under $1000? What size is the TV room?


You are really asking WAAAAYYY to much for that price range, I'd say be prepared to really lower your expectations if that is all you are willing to spend (unless you know where to get components for dirt cheap).


Seeing as how we know nothing about your room, I'd say save yourself some money and go with a 5.1 system....or if you are really looking to make a balanced system in all rooms go 2.1. check out the new Pioneer - 5-1/4" 3-Way Floor Speakers. Everyone here has nothing but good to say about them. You will get the sound quality you are looking for (maybe not ALL of the loudness, but enough in most situations). Paired with a good discounted sub (Maybe something like the BIC v1020) and you're only at $450, leaving just barely enough for a high quality receiver with the inputs you require and some decent peripheral speakers. If you really are looking for the sounds quality you desire a 2.1/3.1 might be your best option. If you just want to be able to put the speakers full blast most HTIB will work.
 

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You're right I should've included the room specs. The actual room itself doubles as our dining room since it's such a wide, open space. The entertainment "room" where the system will be installed is approximately 14' deep x 16' wide. The entire room is ~ 25' wide.


Right now I have a cheap RCA 5.1 system my wife bought me a LONG time ago that is outdated and in dire need of upgrading. I know enough about what I like to know that I want a better quality system and something that's compatible with HDMI cables which my current receiver/system does not have. When I was in Best Buy the audio "specialist" told me that the 7.1 will allow me to utilize 2 different channels where I can play a game in the main entertainment room and some baby music in my daughter's room, for instance. Is this correct? Or should I just get a higher quality 5.1 with a channel box to allow me to turn on/off multiple channels at once?
 

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You're right I should've included the room specs. The actual room itself doubles as our dining room since it's such a wide, open space. The entertainment "room" where the system will be installed is approximately 14' deep x 16' wide. The entire room is ~ 25' wide.


Right now I have a cheap RCA 5.1 system my wife bought me a LONG time ago that is outdated and in dire need of upgrading. I know enough about what I like to know that I want a better quality system and something that's compatible with HDMI cables which my current receiver/system does not have. When I was in Best Buy the audio "specialist" told me that the 7.1 will allow me to utilize 2 different channels where I can play a game in the main entertainment room and some baby music in my daughter's room, for instance. Is this correct? Or should I just get a higher quality 5.1 with a channel box to allow me to turn on/off multiple channels at once?

Basically you can use zone channels to play different sources (i.e. movie on main amp, music on zone2). My Denon 1611 has a zone 2 channel and has instructions to set it up in the manual. When you were discussing this with the HT specialist, was the 7.1 your whole system (ent. room, kitchen, daughters room) or just your entertainment room? If it was the whole system that would make the most sense for your scenario and I would say that he has a pretty good idea of what you want to do with your system. Most mid-range (and even lower range) receivers have a zone 2 option which will allow the playback of a different source.


With that big of a room I would try to get a 5.1 if possible, but once again your budget is limiting, so you will have to sacrifice in some areas, and if sound quality is not one you are willing to sacrifice you might have to get something that you can upgrade later.
 

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Basically you can use zone channels to play different sources (i.e. movie on main amp, music on zone2). My Denon 1611 has a zone 2 channel and has instructions to set it up in the manual. When you were discussing this with the HT specialist, was the 7.1 your whole system (ent. room, kitchen, daughters room) or just your entertainment room? If it was the whole system that would make the most sense for your scenario and I would say that he has a pretty good idea of what you want to do with your system. Most mid-range (and even lower range) receivers have a zone 2 option which will allow the playback of a different source.


With that big of a room I would try to get a 5.1 if possible, but once again your budget is limiting, so you will have to sacrifice in some areas, and if sound quality is not one you are willing to sacrifice you might have to get something that you can upgrade later.

I've tried reading a couple of things on the differences between 5.1 and 7.1, so maybe I'm missing the whole point. I thought the other 2 channels in 7.1 were just the channels to allow the playback of a different source. Why would a 5.1 be better than a 7.1 for my room? Would a pic of the room help to show the layout?


How much bigger of a budget are we talking about in order to get something like I explained? I consider this my fact and information gathering stage, so anything you can provide me which would help me understand and allow me to make some progress towards purchasing a "proper" setup would be much appreciated.
 

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I've tried reading a couple of things on the differences between 5.1 and 7.1, so maybe I'm missing the whole point. I thought the other 2 channels in 7.1 were just the channels to allow the playback of a different source. Why would a 5.1 be better than a 7.1 for my room? Would a pic of the room help to show the layout?


How much bigger of a budget are we talking about in order to get something like I explained? I consider this my fact and information gathering stage, so anything you can provide me which would help me understand and allow me to make some progress towards purchasing a "proper" setup would be much appreciated.

Receivers have all sorts of configurations depending on how much you spend. 5.1 + zone 2, 7.1 + zone 2 +zone 3, 9.2 +etc. There are literally thousands of different set ups. In general a 5.1 set up is 2 fronts, 2 rears, 1 center and a sub ( http://www.audioholics.com/images/img1.jpg ) and a 7.1 is 2 fronts, 2 side, 2 rear, 1 center and a sub ( http://www.home-technology-store.com...ydigital71.jpg ).


Pictures would help give us an idea of what you are working with and the furniture in the room.


What set up do you want in your entertainment room? Kitchen? Daughters? You will need to get a receiver that has the capability to have a zone 2 and 3 for all those speakers...Denon 3311 is a good choice for something that is capable of driving speakers in each of those rooms. This receiver also allows for expansion in your big room, but it is more than half your budget already.


There are other options that are cheaper than this, but in my short experience with denon it has been seamless. I've worked with a 9.2, 3 channel system yamaha and haven't experienced any issues with that either, it is a 7 year old system that still works amazing. Being that it was an older system I am not gonna comment on the systems difficult set up as i'm not sure how yamaha is now. For the most part any receiver you get with 7.2 3 channel will be good quality and have the features you need, research and then bring your findings back here for reaffirmation.




For your room size I would suggest a 7.2, but with your budget I would say build up to it. You can start with the pioneer floor standing that everyone here is raving about, the matching center, a good sub, denon receiver, speakers for your daughters, and speakers for the kitchen. That will range you in the $1500-$2000 range for the quality you want. A year later get some quality bookshelfs for the rear. Just keep building up down the years.
 

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Receivers have all sorts of configurations depending on how much you spend. 5.1 + zone 2, 7.1 + zone 2 +zone 3, 9.2 +etc. There are literally thousands of different set ups. In general a 5.1 set up is 2 fronts, 2 rears, 1 center and a sub ( http://www.audioholics.com/images/img1.jpg ) and a 7.1 is 2 fronts, 2 side, 2 rear, 1 center and a sub ( http://www.home-technology-store.com...ydigital71.jpg ).


Pictures would help give us an idea of what you are working with and the furniture in the room.


What set up do you want in your entertainment room? Kitchen? Daughters? You will need to get a receiver that has the capability to have a zone 2 and 3 for all those speakers...Denon 3311 is a good choice for something that is capable of driving speakers in each of those rooms. This receiver also allows for expansion in your big room, but it is more than half your budget already.


There are other options that are cheaper than this, but in my short experience with denon it has been seamless. I've worked with a 9.2, 3 channel system yamaha and haven't experienced any issues with that either, it is a 7 year old system that still works amazing. Being that it was an older system I am not gonna comment on the systems difficult set up as i'm not sure how yamaha is now. For the most part any receiver you get with 7.2 3 channel will be good quality and have the features you need, research and then bring your findings back here for reaffirmation.




For your room size I would suggest a 7.2, but with your budget I would say build up to it. You can start with the pioneer floor standing that everyone here is raving about, the matching center, a good sub, denon receiver, speakers for your daughters, and speakers for the kitchen. That will range you in the $1500-$2000 range for the quality you want. A year later get some quality bookshelfs for the rear. Just keep building up down the years.

It sounds like a 7.1/7.2 may be overkill as well as difficult to pull off considering the layout of the room. I'll try to snap a pic tomorrow and show you why, but basically the side speakers will be difficult to find a spot for unless it's ok to mount them high up near the ceiling and aim them down?


If the high mount is acceptable, is a 7.1 really going to make that much of a difference sound quality wise compared to a 5.1? I definitely have my work cut out for me. I don't want to rush into buying anything, but I really want to take advantage of the sales this week. I'll see if I can find the time to do all of my research.


In the kitchen, master bedroom and baby's room, I'll just be installing a pair of speakers. Nothing too crazy. I do like the MartinLogan brand a lot. I know they're expensive, so that might be a knock out factor. Are there any other brands that are comparable in sound and quality for less money?


Thanks for the help. I'll likely be back on tomorrow with some pics of the room.
 

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It sounds like a 7.1/7.2 may be overkill as well as difficult to pull off considering the layout of the room. I'll try to snap a pic tomorrow and show you why, but basically the side speakers will be difficult to find a spot for unless it's ok to mount them high up near the ceiling and aim them down?


If the high mount is acceptable, is a 7.1 really going to make that much of a difference sound quality wise compared to a 5.1? I definitely have my work cut out for me. I don't want to rush into buying anything, but I really want to take advantage of the sales this week. I'll see if I can find the time to do all of my research.


In the kitchen, master bedroom and baby's room, I'll just be installing a pair of speakers. Nothing too crazy. I do like the MartinLogan brand a lot. I know they're expensive, so that might be a knock out factor. Are there any other brands that are comparable in sound and quality for less money?


Thanks for the help. I'll likely be back on tomorrow with some pics of the room.

You just get slightly more sound depth with the two extra speakers...hearing steps coming from behind more clearly, hearing the echo more clearly, just little things that add up to a full listening experience....Either way you can still get quality sound from a 5.1. A 2.1 system will be harder fit to match the depth of a 5.1 or 7.1 but it can still be a good listening experience with the right equipment.


You ideally want the rear/side speakers 2-3' above your seating ear height, the fronts are good to be even with ear height (you want the tweeters around ear level essentially). You can technically place the rear/side speakers higher, especially since they will be closer to you and not putting out as much as your fronts. A good set of fronts now could save you money down the road and be enough to keep you satisfied for now.



It is really up to you if you would rather build up your system over time or get it all at once. If it were me, I'd set up the receiver, daughters room, kitchen, and a quality 2.1. I wish I would have seen this thread before purchasing, but these floor speakers from pioneer have been getting great reviews ( http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1278774 ). I did purchase a BIC V1220 sub which I am really enjoying, has great sound with crisp bass. Hsu research is also highly regarded and will be testing one out my next purchase.
 

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I'm resurrecting this thread from the dead. I never followed through with the pics of the room because the sound system ended up getting put on the back burner. However, I'm ready to move forward and am hoping that providing pics and some fresh ideas will help me with my direction.


Here are a few pics of the room. Sorry for the crappy quality, I used my phone. The first pic shows the openness of the den/dining room combo. There is a beam that splits the 2 rooms in half which is where I would mount the left side speaker if I went 7.1. The walls would work for mounting the right side and both rear speakers. The fronts would just go above the mantle on either side of the TV and the sub would go on the floor to the left of the fireplace.


Is this room suitable for 7.1? Or would I lose the depth of the side speakers due to the smaller size of the den. Would the side speaker be too high up there near the center beam? Also I noticed that a 7.2 was mentioned, but I thought that only meant 1 sub vs. 2. Not that the receiver was capable of running multiple zones. Is that correct or am I wrong?


So to sum up where I'm at right now, I need to determine if I'm going 5.1 or 7.x channel. Once I figure that out I think the rest of the pieces will fall into place.


Thanks in advance for your help.


 
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