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I hooked up my switcher, dvdo & dish 6000 box to my 1272 sony.

I unplug/plug in the dvdo running the satellite, and can't tell if it's better than the satellite signal . Seems to work ok, I just can't see a difference.

How do I know if it's really doing anything? It doesn't look like a hdtv picture. There's no settings on the little box or anything to adjust.


And I put the rgb boards & s video boards in the switcher. For the life of me I can't get the s video boards to work with the vcr, 3DO etc.

I plug them in but nothing happens.

I bought 5 boards, they all can't be bad! I put them all in different slots etc.

Maybe I'll send them back to be tested.


The rgb line runs the projector ok. Maybe the switcher slots are bad?

I'll tear it apart again tonite, lol Ah the fun of it all.


I did get the cards you mentioned for the 6000 box.
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Did you sign up for the HD channels on Dish?


Why do you have DVDO running the satellite? That defeats the whole advantage of using the 6000.

http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/p...00/index.shtml
Isn't the dvdo suppose to improve the satellite signal? I thought it would make regular channels look better, like a hd station? That's why I got it

I'm going to try out local hd


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Originally posted by Clarence
Did you sign up for the HD channels on Dish?


Why do you have DVDO running the satellite? That defeats the whole advantage of using the 6000.

http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/p...00/index.shtml
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Upscaled video is no substitute for true HD content.


Did you get the 8VSB & 8PSK HD modules for your Dish 6000?


See attached for connection diagram.

1.) subscribe to Dish HD

2.) connect Dish 6000 HD15->5BNC

3.) connect 5BNC to VPH1271's RGBHV IFB-11


If you quit crippling the inputs, your 1272 should impress you.
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I thought I'd see a difference in pq by unplugging the dvdo. Regular dish feed looks same with/without it. Looks ok


How do I hook up the vcr to this box? I can't get any signal to the vcr. I ran the vcr out s video to the dvdo that attaches to a rgb card in the switcher.

I can play tapes, just can't get the dish signal to the vcr so I can record.

Isn't it dish video out to vcr video in? I tried s video & regular video cables.


I don't think I'm crippling anything.
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Originally posted by raster

...I ran the vcr... I can play tapes... I tried s video & regular video cables....

I don't think I'm crippling anything.
Um... OK.


Which model VCR? You're using s-video, so it's S-VHS? Did you toggle TV/VCR and/or VIDEO INPUT buttons?


Which model DVDO?


You probably already read this in the manuals above, but make sure you don't have "HD" (the blue light) selected on the Dish until you subscribe to the HD package.... use SD (the amber light) or your regular video outputs will be disabled.
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Also try sending the Dish output to your DVD recorder.

Which input/output options does it have?
vcr is jvc- hrs9911u it's a s video unit. I did what you mentioned.

my dvd recorder is hooked up to my other box- a old dishplayer. works ok.

I did sign up for the hd package, that works fine

I'm wondering if using the rgb jack on the box is screwing up something?


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Originally posted by Clarence
Um... OK.


Which model VCR? You're using s-video, so it's S-VHS? Did you toggle TV/VCR and/or VIDEO INPUT buttons?


Which model DVDO?


You probably already read this in the manuals above, but make sure you don't have "HD" (the blue light) selected on the Dish until you subscribe to the HD package.... use SD (the amber light) or your regular video outputs will be disabled.
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The regular outputs are disabled when the HD is being sent out as RGB. So if you want to record s-video, select SD (not HD) on the Dish remote.
Errrm, you seem to be missing some basic knowledge here.

Some things to keep in mind are.


1) A HD signal is far far superior to any other type of signal you currently have at your house. (i.e. HD native signal is far better than a scaled up VHS, Composite Video or SVideo connection)


2) HD Signals can only be output via Component or RGB. They cannot be output via SVideo or composite video. (To do so would mean converting it to a crappy analogue interlaced NTSC standard signal . ie. it looks no better than normal TV)


3) The DVDO should not (cannot) be used with a High Definition signal. It is for upscaling standard video (i.e. from a VCR, laserdisc, video camera, game console)


Leave the switcher and everything else out of the equation for now.


What you really want to do is have your 6000 in HD mode and run cables from its RGB output to the RGB inputs on your projector.

Make sure you have no svideo or composite leads going to the projector.

Now turn the projector on and view HD in all its glory. It should look bloody fantastic.


Now that you know it works and what HD should look like, plug the 6000 RGB output to the RGB input on your switcher, and then plug the Switcher to the projector (unplug everything else). The picture should look identical to before.


Now plug your analogue sources (VCR etc. ) into the DVDO and plug its RGB outputs into one of the other RGB inputs on the switcher. You should now be able to watch your VHS videos and so on on your projector via RGB and they should look better than if you hooked them up via SVideo or composite video.


If you want to record stuff off your satellite box then you will either need a HD recorder, or run your satellite box in SD mode and record via SVHS to your VCR. Be aware though that the recordings will look far far worse than watching the HD feed.


*whew*
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Ok, Have RGB running as you advised. And I have the dvdo hooked up as you mentioned.

So all the channels are HD signals with this box ? I thought only the HD package channels would be HD??

when I switch the box to the amber light, I get no picture at all. I only get a picture when the blue light is on. wow, this is confusing lol Thanks








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Originally posted by dokworm
Errrm, you seem to be missing some basic knowledge here.

Some things to keep in mind are.


1) A HD signal is far far superior to any other type of signal you currently have at your house. (i.e. HD native signal is far better than a scaled up VHS, Composite Video or SVideo connection)


2) HD Signals can only be output via Component or RGB. They cannot be output via SVideo or composite video. (To do so would mean converting it to a crappy analogue interlaced NTSC standard signal . ie. it looks no better than normal TV)


3) The DVDO should not (cannot) be used with a High Definition signal. It is for upscaling standard video (i.e. from a VCR, laserdisc, video camera, game console)


Leave the switcher and everything else out of the equation for now.


What you really want to do is have your 6000 in HD mode and run cables from its RGB output to the RGB inputs on your projector.

Make sure you have no svideo or composite leads going to the projector.

Now turn the projector on and view HD in all its glory. It should look bloody fantastic.


Now that you know it works and what HD should look like, plug the 6000 RGB output to the RGB input on your switcher, and then plug the Switcher to the projector (unplug everything else). The picture should look identical to before.


Now plug your analogue sources (VCR etc. ) into the DVDO and plug its RGB outputs into one of the other RGB inputs on the switcher. You should now be able to watch your VHS videos and so on on your projector via RGB and they should look better than if you hooked them up via SVideo or composite video.


If you want to record stuff off your satellite box then you will either need a HD recorder, or run your satellite box in SD mode and record via SVHS to your VCR. Be aware though that the recordings will look far far worse than watching the HD feed.


*whew*
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umm....yep, some basic knowledge missing...


To use S-video with the Sony switcher you need either:


1. 14 pin fancy sony switcher cable.

Or

2. S-video connection from switcher to pj IN ADDITION to a 5 x bnc RGBHV lead.


The switcher does not convert video to RGBHV.


That said you shouldn't be feeding the pj a video signal at all. You should line double it before the switcher. IMO s-video input cards are pointless and worthless.
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Ok, understood. Right now everything is hooked up as people advised. 6000 receiver rgb to switcher- s video vcr etc to dvdo, then dvdo to rgb card in switcher.

I still can't get a picture if I switch the Dish 6000 to SD,

It only works with the HD - Blue light on-


I'm trying to get a signal to my vcr so I can record. I'm not trying to record HD channels, just regular channels. I can play tapes fine, can't record anything thou.

Any idea why the picture shuts off when I switch the 6000 box to SD?

Called Dish but they had no idea lol


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Originally posted by Mark_A_W
umm....yep, some basic knowledge missing...


To use S-video with the Sony switcher you need either:


1. 14 pin fancy sony switcher cable.

Or

2. S-video connection from switcher to pj IN ADDITION to a 5 x bnc RGBHV lead.


The switcher does not convert video to RGBHV.


That said you shouldn't be feeding the pj a video signal at all. You should line double it before the switcher. IMO s-video input cards are pointless and worthless.
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Originally posted by dokworm
Make sure you have no svideo or composite leads going to the projector.

Now turn the projector on and view HD in all its glory. It should look bloody fantastic.
...providing he got the focusing/convergence all right
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Originally posted by raster
Ok, understood. Right now everything is hooked up as people advised. 6000 receiver rgb to switcher- s video vcr etc to dvdo, then dvdo to rgb card in switcher.

I still can't get a picture if I switch the Dish 6000 to SD,

It only works with the HD - Blue light on-


I'm trying to get a signal to my vcr so I can record. I'm not trying to record HD channels, just regular channels. I can play tapes fine, can't record anything thou.

Any idea why the picture shuts off when I switch the 6000 box to SD?

Called Dish but they had no idea lol
When you switched over to SD on the Dish 6000, the 6000 then turns off the RGB output, so now the projector wont play anything (i.e. no input) unless you switch the projector's 'Input Mode Select' from 'A' to 'Video', then make sure you have an S-video cable going from your other source to it, and the picture will now come through that (as 480i) while in SD mode. But he's right in that you should have a line doubler/video processor still to de-interlace the signal for while you watch SD content. So you should take your S-video connection from between the DVDO to the switcher box and put in the video processor there. So then you can watch played back material that is de-interlaced through your projector.


What I did, was got 2 separate IFB-11 (RGBHV) boards and 1 goes to my HTPC and the other goes to the RGB output of my video processor/line doubler. All my S-video sources get de-interlaced/line doubled, and are connected to input 'A' of the projector, while my HTPC runs off the other IFB-11 input card which is 'B' input. So in your case, you'd just hook that 'B' up to your RGB out on the Satellite and 'A' would go from your line doubler/processor which is giving you all your playback/SD content.


Now I don't know what kind of switcher you have so I can't tell you how to use that instead to control your inputs. If it is multi-RGB to one, then video processor goes to one input of switcher, and Dish-6000 goes to other input of switcher, then RGB out of switcher goes to your single IFB-11 (RGBHV) card on your projector. You really DO need to get a line doubler if your satellite can't play all normal 480p out of the RGB when the blue light is on. Can it play other channels with blue light on through RGB, or just the HD channels? Because if it can, then you can at least watch those all de-interlaced, but you still couldn't play any recorded content de-interlaced unless you got a video processor/doubler
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OK, Do you get a picture on the projector if you play a movie tape on your VCR? (and switch using the switcher of course)


If no, then the DVDO is hooked up incorrectly...


If yes then...

Now plug the Svideo or composite output from your satellite box into the video in or svideo in on your VCR.

Set your VCR to look at the video input (Usually the "AV" button or "Input" button or "Source" button on the VCR remote)


Now when you hit the SD button on your satellite box, the normal crappy picture should come out of the satellite box and into the back of the VCR for you to be able to record it.


Now because the VCR 'Output' is being fed through the DVDO box and being line doubled and converted into RGB, you should be able to see it on your projector as well.
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Didja get it going raster?
and throw out that DVDO, they are one of the worst line doublers I've had, and I've had a dozen different ones, but thats just my opinion....

If you want to tape regular satellite from your 6000, you have to get the regular signal to your vcr. Just run the composite or s-video cable directly to your vcr's "line" inputs.
I can play a tape thru the vcr, but still can't get any sat signal to the vcr to record. I gave up.

I ran my dvd recorder to my old dishplayer sat box & will use that to record.

I originally wanted to use the new dvd recorder with the 6000 box, but what a hookup nightmare this has been.



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Didja get it going raster?
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Well what doubler is better? And I don't want to spend a fortune. Actually until I can hook up my dvd recorder to the 6000 box, I don't want to buy any more doublers, lol

First I'm told the 6000 has a doubler built in, then I'm told it doesn't.

Sounds like John Kerry telling me how to do it. Flip Flop!



I tried the s video out to the line inputs, doesn't work.


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and throw out that DVDO, they are one of the worst line doublers I've had, and I've had a dozen different ones, but thats just my opinion....

If you want to tape regular satellite from your 6000, you have to get the regular signal to your vcr. Just run the composite or s-video cable directly to your vcr's "line" inputs.
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