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Guess, much ado about nothing. No DD realtime encoding (again!).
 

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Guess, much ado about nothing. No DD realtime encoding (again!).
worse, no High Def audio
 

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Maybe to use the spdif connection to their receivers/processors... either way I think the newer hi def audio formats like DVD-A and SACD cannot be transmitted by spdif anyways (not enough bandwidth).


I don't really care, but I guess it's cos I've never had a need for it.
 

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i like the DD encoding in HW because it lets me have 1 audio connection between PC and reciever, everything is in surround sound (although DD sources sound much much better), and i never have to change the audio input on my receiver.


I wish this had the DD encoding, but i def. like the nTune quiet PC at the touch of a button stuff.
 

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well, that's it. Time to get an intel 925x board and a P4.

(I don't do dvd-a or sacd yet, so funnelling everything through spdif is fine by me :)
 

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What also hasn't been mentioned, is that Soundstorm is one of the few ways of transmitting WMV 5.1 audio over spdif, by encoding it to DD.


Really, that was the only feature of the nForce chipset that really sells me. Firewall? Why would I need that when I have one in my router?


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No AGP with the new chipsets?? It should have an option to get AGP instead of PCI-X.
I hate to bust balls, but the nforce4 doesn't have PCI-X, my server board does though. The nforce4 has PCI express though, commonly abreviated PCIe.


And if you don't want PCIe then grab the NF3, it's essentially the same chipset only without PCI express.
 

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Not really.. It has Dual SATA controllers with the ability to pair up two drives on different controllers for crazy performance. Not to mention, support for SATA 3gb. I wonder what they are going to do when AMD releases a FX chip with a DDR2 memory controller? Technically they don't have to do anything... but i still wonder.
 

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My message to The Inquirer (they were soliciting user reaction to the lack of Soundstorm in nForce 4):


Mr. Henry is obviously trying to recast the news the nForce 4 will not support Soundstorm as a matter of user indifference when the opposite is, in fact, the case. He has to be consciously lying through his teeth when he says that the presence of Soundstorm (or lack thereof) does not influence buying decisions. I bought my nForce 2 Asus A78NX Deluxe specifically because of Soundstorm. Clearly, I am not in a small minority. I was eagerly awaiting nForce 4 with SS before moving to Athlon 64. There is now no incentive to purchase an nForce 4 board. If I stick to AMD, I’ll certainly go with a VIA or ATI chipset. I hate saying this, but Intel with HD audio is actually looking good. That was painful, but, it’s the sad truth. Clearly, Mr. Henry has not listened to his customer base despite his contentions to the contrary.


As a technology product marketing manager who faces the same issues as those faced by nVidia and Mr. Henry, I understand his dilemma. Nevertheless, the true reason is the cost of Dolby licensing. I also have to deal with this as we contemplate adding Dolby-E encoding/decoding capabilities to our broadcast equipment. The fact is, our customers want it and they will bear the costs. nVidia should have done the same and offered a high-end option with Soundstorm for which a reasonable ($40-$50) price premium could have been expected and would have gladly been tendered by a good percentage of potential nForce 4 users.


Rather than making it appear that he is responsive to customer feedback when he is not, Mr. Henry would have been better off to have told the truth rather than to cast his customers as the culpable parties.
 

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The cost.


I think everyone needs to realize we are the minority. SoundStorm would have added at least a couple of dollars to the cost of the chip. That is a HUGE deal in the motherboard world.


Even if an OEM didn't want SoudStorm, the silicon would have been there and silicon isn't free. Don't even talk about a custom silicon spin...


The VAST majority of Nvidia's customers want the cheapest possible audio. That's just how it is.


Now why Nvidia doesn't make a sound card... that I don't know.
 

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i doubt its about the cost of the silicon, if you ask me i'd say it has something to do with the cost of a Dolby license.
 

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Now why Nvidia doesn't make a sound card... that I don't know.
Or anybody else. This continues to irk me to no end. :mad:


edit: Creative never even enters my mind for a possibility in case you are wondering.




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Yes, it is the cost of the silicon. The motherboard market is that competitive.


If it was the dolby license fee, it could be solved by bonding the parts "no dolby" and selling it with the cheap sound solution.


Believe it or not, Dolby Encoding is hard and requires a non zero amount of silicon, thus increasing the price.


The sound card issue is simply the fact that NVidia doesn't think there would be enough sales of it's sound card chip to justify making a standalone chip. When you consider that layout/first run would cost them around $2 million, how many cards would they have to sell to even start breaking even on the project?


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Or anybody else. This continues to irk me to no end. :mad:


C-Media makes the CMI 8768 chip for sound cards with the following ability:

Dolby Digital Live 5.1 (AC-3) Real-time Encoder(8768+)

http://www.cmedia.com.tw/product/CMI8768.htm


Does anyone make sound cards based on this chip?



EDIT: It seems to be a software implementation, although not a very computationally heavy one. Quote from their press release:

â€This software implementation of the real-time Dolby Digital encoder is so efficient that it takes only 7% of the CPU consumption from a Pentium 4 processorâ€.


They don't mention which Pentium 4, though.



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Wow that guy in the Cmedia picture looks pretty uhh. creepy.. Looks like hes really enjoying that sound... while getting a hummer.


Creepy hummer guy aside.. Anyone find a sound card with this chip on it? Wouldn't it be some **** if the company just bundled AC3Filter?
 
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