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you gotta love this

Straight from the New York Times just an hour ago.


No wonder CE manufacturers drag their feet with new digital tuner products. They don't believe we'll ever really get there. Can you blame them?

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Six weeks before the nation’s television stations are scheduled to convert to digital transmission, the Obama administration is asking Congress to consider a delay.


In the most significant sign to date of concern about the impending digital TV transition, the Obama transition team co-chair John Podesta said the government funds to support the change are “woefully inadequate” and said that the digital switch date, Feb. 17, should be “reconsidered and extended.”


Echoing concerns from consumers groups, Mr. Podesta said that the Obama transition staff has found major difficulties in the transition, which was authorized by Congress in 2005. On Feb. 17, stations are scheduled to switch from analog transmission to digital, requiring consumers who rely on over-the-air signals to install converter boxes.


Major broadcasters, including ABC and NBC, have signaled that they support a delay. Earlier this week the president of PBS, Paula Kerger, “said she’s especially concerned that children in less-affluent homes that rely on free television might lose access to PBS educational shows for kids,” including “Sesame Street,” the Associated Press reported.


Millions of television viewers would be affected by the switch. In December, Nielsen Media Research estimated that 7.8 million households, representing 6.8 percent of homes with television, have not upgraded any of their television sets for the transition. Those homes would be unable to receive any TV signals after the switch. Subscribers to cable or satellite television will not be affected by the transition.


The administration’s statement will put new pressure on Congress to delay the end of analog broadcasting. The move comes as the government’s $1.3 billion coupon program to subsidize the cost of converter boxes has run out of funds, placing more than one million requests for coupons on a waiting list.


“The federal government is getting $19 billion from selling the analog TV spectrum, while people with analog TVs have to go out and spend their own money for a converter box,” said Joel Kelsey, a policy analyst for Consumers Union, in a press release Wednesday. “Everyone affected by the digital switch should be able to get their $40 coupons. Congress needs to consider delaying the transition until these problems are fixed.”


In a letter to Congressional leaders, Mr. Podesta said that the number of unfulfilled coupon requests could increase by the hundreds of thousands every day. He indicated that Obama’s economic recovery package would include additional funds for the transition.


“With coupons unavailable, support and education insufficient, and the most vulnerable Americans exposed, I urge you to consider a change to the legislatively-mandated cutoff date,” Mr. Podesta wrote.
 

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I guess a lot of people are s.o.l. around where I live because everyone's gone digital, except ABC who broadcasts both a digital and analog signal.

With not just a new administration being ushered in, but a new congress as well, it might be a while before this becomes a priority...
 

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The title of the thread is misleading. Obama does not have the authority to delay the transition, unless he declares a national emergency. He's asking for Congress to consider delaying the transition.
 

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I figured this would happen. With the economy in the toilet, people don't want to have to worry about whether their TVs will keep working. The people most affected are the people least likely to be able to afford a converter box. (They are also more likely to be Obama supporters, although I'm sure that had nothing to do with it.
) The question now is whether Obama will be able to get this passed.
 

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Sink or swim I say
People have had plenty of time and CONSTANT warnings on TV advising of the switch(does that mean we'll have to listen to more months of someone telling us we need to convert
). If they haven't done it by now they'll probably not do it in a year. TV is a luxury not a necessity, if they don't convert then they'll just lose the signal. Seems no one understands deadlines anymore


On the bright side, my analog TVGOS DVDR should keep working for a while longer
 

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Re: sinking, swimming, and such. According to AntennaWeb, my city is 50 miles from the nearest set of transmitters (in the Twin Cities), so if we didn't have cable we would need a "large directional [antenna] w/ pre-amp" to get OTA signal. This tells me that an all-digital environment leaves any non-cable-subscriber without this rig and a converter box in the dark. There's an ION network tower in town, but that's it for "local" reception. And our cable company recently bought out the local competition and raised rates. There are going to be people without much TV--and hard times are unpleasant enough without some cheap distraction that doesn't come in a bottle.
 

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Yes I've been saying it from the beginning, digital TV is great for us people who are close enough to the towers but many in outlying areas will be in for a shock (if they haven't already tried). Many areas in central MN (eg. around lake Mille Lacs) will be unable to get OTA without a antenna system such as your described. At my uncles cabin he was forced to go Sat. since his rooftop antenna just didn't cut it anymore. He was getting a rather snowy signal before so I wasn't surprised digital was a no go. But AFA the delay the only way he would have been OK is if it was delayed indefinitely which I don't think anybody is talking about.
 

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How big of a financial burden is it for broadcasters to have to support and simulcast completely separate analog and digital transmission systems. How long can they afford to do it. With the shut-off date in hand they were able to see a light at the end of the tunnel where they could cut their costs by pulling the plug on the analog system. Many digital stations are not at full power and/or only comply with the minimum FCC requirements so as to minimize costs while analog must still be broadcast.


Now what? If the transition is delayed, the reason is clearly to preserve the status quo of analog broadcasting. Once again digital will take the back seat and not receive the level of support it needs. Could we even see digital cutbacks to reduce costs. If government delays the transition, it could take years before a new date is set -- and then who would believe it anyway. The who I am referring to are the CE manufacturers who have to design products for an American market.


And let's be realistic. New democratic president in a honey-moon period with a new democratic congress eager to show it's cooperation -- It's not a question of if, but rather when.
 

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One more reminder of the Fed's three "P's" of operation...


Paralysis, Procrastination, and Prostitution.


Yeah... they're gonna fix the economy too.
 

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The whole coupon program has been a mess.

- Thousands applied who didn't even need them

- Thousands more who need them didn't or couldn't apply

- Insufficient supplies of boxes left many with expired coupons

- Manufacturers promised models which either didn't exist or were delayed for months

- Retailers gouged customers, charging $60 or more for $40 boxes


Besides the short window on the expiry dates, none of those issues were the government's fault. And now they ask to delay the transition because, despite their best efforts, J6P STILL can't figure out he needs a box until he sees a blank tv screen. So I lay the blame squarely at the feet of the American public.


P.S. Doesn't this thread belong in the HDTV forum?


EDIT: Doesn't this thread belong in the Coupon Eligible Converter Box (CECB) sub-forum of the HDTV Technical forum in the HDTV forum?
 

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Originally Posted by mdavej /forum/post/15511227


P.S. Doesn't this thread belong in the HDTV forum?

No, because the coupon boxes are SD. If anything, it should be in the CECB sub-forum - which it already is.
 

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Originally Posted by Rammitinski /forum/post/15511297


No, because the coupon boxes are SD. If anything, it should be in the CECB sub-forum - which it already is.

In that case, shouldn't this thread be closed since it has little to do with DVD Recorders?
 

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you gotta love this

Straight from the New York Times just an hour ago.


No wonder CE manufacturers drag their feet with new digital tuner products. They don't believe we'll ever really get there. Can you blame them?

Obama wants to make sure that Grandma can still get her free analog TV. Meanwhile I currently pay Time Warner $125(+) per month for digital television service.


During the past few years I have also purchased these items:


CT-36HL42

TX-SR600 HTiB

TH-50PX50U

OPDV971H

PRO-150FD

PS3


to help enjoy my little hobby with.


I'm glad to see that despite being in the midst of a sever economic recession, the American culture of entitlement is still alive & well.



During 2009 I was planning to buy a new AVR w/speakers and perhaps a 42" FP PDP/LCD TV; but if the U.S. Government is willing to prolong the Analog Shutoff date for some indefinite period of time, then maybe I'll just hang on to those discretionary $ for awhile or spend the money on a cruise instead.
 

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Originally Posted by optivity /forum/post/15512007


Obama wants to make sure that Grandma can still get her free analog TV. Meanwhile I currently pay Time Warner $125(+) per month for digital television service.

Amen, brother. Screw grandma. She should get off her lazy behind and come up with $125/month for her own pay tv service like the rest of us. Just because the government mandated that your perfectly good analog tv will be useless in a month doesn't mean you're entitled to a darn thing.
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During 2009 I was planning to buy a new AVR w/speakers and perhaps a 42" FP PDP/LCD TV; but if the U.S. Government is willing to prolong the Analog Shutoff date for some indefinite period of time, then maybe I'll just hang on to those discretionary $ for awhile...

Too bad our socialist policies are going to slow down that vast flow of money from your wallet to Asia and force you to (gasp) save.


Hmm... let's see if I remember who pushed for all the delays up to now. Was is all these worthless old people and other leeches on society, or was it the poor , helpless broadcasters?


I want DTV as much as the next guy, but if we've hit a snag, and it sounds like we have, the reasonable thing to do is to fix it. And if that causes a delay then so be it. What difference does it make? Right now I have all digital OTA. But after the cut-off, I lose TVGOS on my legacy equipment. So the longer they delay, the better, for me anyway.
 

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No, you don't cause substantial harm to affect a fix in response to a snag. There are other threads (with more accurate thread titles) where we have discussed the harm that a delay will cause to folks who did what they were supposed to, planned on the date promised, paid money based on those assurances, etc.
 

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Originally Posted by mdavej /forum/post/15513120


Amen, brother. Screw grandma. She should get off her lazy behind and come up with $125/month for her own pay tv service like the rest of us. Just because the government mandated that your perfectly good analog tv will be useless in a month doesn't mean you're entitled to a darn thing.

Hey, she still has the radio to listen to.



I don't know about you but I already bought a digital TV last year for the Grandma in my family.
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Too bad our socialist policies are going to slow down that vast flow of money from your wallet to Asia and force you to (gasp) save.

Again, I don't know about you but I don't live beyond my means and have all of my financial bases covered.
As I said, HDTV is one on my hobbies and fully paid for with discretionary $.
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Hmm... let's see if I remember who pushed for all the delays up to now. Was is all these worthless old people and other leeches on society, or was it the poor , helpless broadcasters?

Them too... but your precious Obama is the one blaming (snif, snif) Grandma!
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I want DTV as much as the next guy, but if we've hit a snag, and it sounds like we have, the reasonable thing to do is to fix it. And if that causes a delay then so be it. What difference does it make? Right now I have all digital OTA. But after the cut-off, I lose TVGOS on my legacy equipment. So the longer they delay, the better, for me anyway.

Geez, it isn't as if we didn't had years to plan for this event.
Just pull the swith you slack-jaw dimwit.
 

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In that case, shouldn't this thread be closed since it has little to do with DVD Recorders?

They did that to the similar thread in the CECB forum. They referred people to the HDTV Technical forum with a similar thread. Shhhhh, I won't tell


Just try and keep comments as non partisan as possible and DVDR related


Things have a way of going down the toilet in a hurry in a thread like this
 

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In that case, shouldn't this thread be closed since it has little to do with DVD Recorders?

I suppose it applies to anyone receiving digital TV, so it could be in any number of forums. It's a news item which affects many of us. I was just basing that particular response (that it should be in the CECB sub-forum) on your post, which was specifically talking about CECB's. In fact, I already knew it was also in at least the other 2 forums mentioned.
 

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I also have some legacy TVGOS devices (many, actually, though I'm currently not using them all), but I've been digital since 2004 waiting for this time to come.


I was prepared for whatever came my way with the TVGOS all along, so I'd rather they just do it and get it over with. Besides, if delaying it would mean not having CBS here move up to VHF-hi from VHF-lo, then I'd much rather give up my TVGOS anyday (people in Chicago know exactly what I'm talking about - we've already got a huge, massive, area-wide celebration planned for midnight, February 17th. We were going to revel in the streets).


Plus, I really would like to get rid of all the analog interference around here.
 
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