Official 2005 Sony KDSR-50/60XBR1 SXRD Owner's Thread
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I have received permission to post the contact information for the lawyer handling the class action lawsuit against Sony over the Green Blob:
Robert I. Lax, Esq.
Robert I. Lax & Associates
535 Fifth Avenue
21st Floor
New York, New York 10017
Tel: (212) 818-9150
Fax: (212) 818-1266
rlax (at) lax-law (dot) com [spam blinded]
He is especially interested in learning the names of Sony personnel who make material statements about the Green Blob, such as what causes it, that it's been fixed, or that parts have been redesigned due to the Green Blob. Also of interest would be the names of any Customer Service reps who have visited owners with the Green Blob.
Also, I now have .pdf copy of the complaint.
Robert I. Lax, Esq.
Robert I. Lax & Associates
535 Fifth Avenue
21st Floor
New York, New York 10017
Tel: (212) 818-9150
Fax: (212) 818-1266
rlax (at) lax-law (dot) com [spam blinded]
He is especially interested in learning the names of Sony personnel who make material statements about the Green Blob, such as what causes it, that it's been fixed, or that parts have been redesigned due to the Green Blob. Also of interest would be the names of any Customer Service reps who have visited owners with the Green Blob.
Also, I now have .pdf copy of the complaint.
Well, I guess I'm kinda screwed here. Just bught the 60" XBR 3 days ago from a local HT place ...pic is incredible ...but it's got a Sept '05 build date.
It would seem from what I've read that the GB (green blob) appearing soon is a forgone conclusion.
Since the store owner is a friend, I guess I'll make him aware of what's going on w/these sets and hope that Sony comes to the rescue and eventually does the right thing here. I would hope they'll replace w/an XBR2 when they come out....
I should've come here before I bought the #[email protected]! thing!
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It would seem from what I've read that the GB (green blob) appearing soon is a forgone conclusion.
Since the store owner is a friend, I guess I'll make him aware of what's going on w/these sets and hope that Sony comes to the rescue and eventually does the right thing here. I would hope they'll replace w/an XBR2 when they come out....
I should've come here before I bought the #[email protected]! thing!
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I have 4,500+ hours on the lamp on my Sept '05 built 60". Never had a green blob issue. Set is perfect.
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Originally Posted by rickmeoff /forum/post/0
Well, I guess I'm kinda screwed here. Just bught the 60" XBR 3 days ago from a local HT place ...pic is incredible ...but it's got a Sept '05 build date.
It would seem from what I've read that the GB (green blob) appearing soon is a forgone conclusion.
Since the owner is a friend, I guess I'll make him aware of what's going on w/these sets and hope that Sony comes to the rescue and eventually does the right thing here. I would hope they'll replace w/an XBR2 when they come out....
I should've come here before I bought the #[email protected]! thing!![]()
I have 4,500+ hours on the lamp on my Sept '05 built 60". Never had a green blob issue. Set is perfect.
Some with Sep 05 buld sets have yet to see any problems.
You won't have any recourse through Sony unless and until you actually have a problem (which may never show up.)
However, people need to know about this--and that includes retailers. They're often the ones who get left holding the bag.
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Originally Posted by rickmeoff /forum/post/0
Well, I guess I'm kinda screwed here. Just bught the 60" XBR 3 days ago from a local HT place ...pic is incredible ...but it's got a Sept '05 build date.
It would seem from what I've read that the GB (green blob) appearing soon is a forgone conclusion.
Since the store owner is a friend, I guess I'll make him aware of what's going on w/these sets and hope that Sony comes to the rescue and eventually does the right thing here. I would hope they'll replace w/an XBR2 when they come out....
I should've come here before I bought the #[email protected]! thing!![]()
Some with Sep 05 buld sets have yet to see any problems.
You won't have any recourse through Sony unless and until you actually have a problem (which may never show up.)
However, people need to know about this--and that includes retailers. They're often the ones who get left holding the bag.
i have a question for my friend
He has 60XBR1 SXRD hooked up to the dvd player that comes with the Sony Dream System through HDMI
he says when he hooks it up, the tv doesn't even show it as being connected
any idea what could be wrong?
Hdmi cable was from monoprice. thanks
He has 60XBR1 SXRD hooked up to the dvd player that comes with the Sony Dream System through HDMI
he says when he hooks it up, the tv doesn't even show it as being connected
any idea what could be wrong?
Hdmi cable was from monoprice. thanks
Don't be so quick to work yourself into an AVS-induced nervous breakdown. I won't argue the fact that there are a lot of sets out there with problems, but these blob accusations have taken on a life of their own. I believe that they are WAY, WAY overblownat least as far as what an innocent reader of this forum would be inclined to conclude.
I eagerly awaited the XBR1 a couple months prior to its release. Then I read about it and viewed it for several months before purchasing. When I finally bought one in February, I pulled my hair out worrying that the ugly green stain (which disappeared completely within a minute of warm-up) would get worse. Just like now, word around here back then would lead you to believe that it was a "foregone conclusion."
So I exchanged it...only to discover that new one was exactly the same (i.e. perfect after a minute or so. Five months later, nothing has changed. I'll keep looking for it, but I bought it from a good dealer with a 4 year 100% parts and labor (including bulbs) warranty, so I'm not terribly worried.
Like I said, I won't argue the fact that there are a lot of sets out there with problems. But I know what the blob looks like in that minute of warm up, and I can honestly say that I've never seen one on an XBR1 display model. Admittedly, I'm not scrutinizing the way I was several months ago, and I'm not flipping to memory stick or asking the sales guys to thrown on a b&w movie. But I've been doing a lot of shopping for audio equipment over the last several months (and I'm still trying to decide on a stand), and I almost always take a glance at the XBR1s. I feel sick admitting it, but taking into account all the stores/locations/models I've viewed, I've probably seen 30-50 different XBR1s.
This is little solace to those of you with serious problems, and I don't doubt that there are many in that boat. But let's stop assuming all of them are this way because they aren't. If anything, based on what I've read, I'd be a little nervous about your set being an September '05 build. Not only do the older ones seem more susceptible to some of the problems, but it's August of 2006 for goodness sake! How is it that your friend still has such ancient stock? My replacement set was delivered on March 10th, and I still got a March build.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickmeoff /forum/post/0
Well, I guess I'm kinda screwed here. Just bught the 60" XBR 3 days ago from a local HT place ...pic is incredible ...but it's got a Sept '05 build date.
It would seem from what I've read that the GB (green blob) appearing soon is a forgone conclusion.
Since the owner is a friend, I guess I'll make him aware of what's going on w/these sets and hope that Sony comes to the rescue and eventually does the right thing here. I would hope they'll replace w/an XBR2 when they come out....
I should've come here before I bought the #[email protected]! thing!![]()
Don't be so quick to work yourself into an AVS-induced nervous breakdown. I won't argue the fact that there are a lot of sets out there with problems, but these blob accusations have taken on a life of their own. I believe that they are WAY, WAY overblownat least as far as what an innocent reader of this forum would be inclined to conclude.
I eagerly awaited the XBR1 a couple months prior to its release. Then I read about it and viewed it for several months before purchasing. When I finally bought one in February, I pulled my hair out worrying that the ugly green stain (which disappeared completely within a minute of warm-up) would get worse. Just like now, word around here back then would lead you to believe that it was a "foregone conclusion."
So I exchanged it...only to discover that new one was exactly the same (i.e. perfect after a minute or so. Five months later, nothing has changed. I'll keep looking for it, but I bought it from a good dealer with a 4 year 100% parts and labor (including bulbs) warranty, so I'm not terribly worried.
Like I said, I won't argue the fact that there are a lot of sets out there with problems. But I know what the blob looks like in that minute of warm up, and I can honestly say that I've never seen one on an XBR1 display model. Admittedly, I'm not scrutinizing the way I was several months ago, and I'm not flipping to memory stick or asking the sales guys to thrown on a b&w movie. But I've been doing a lot of shopping for audio equipment over the last several months (and I'm still trying to decide on a stand), and I almost always take a glance at the XBR1s. I feel sick admitting it, but taking into account all the stores/locations/models I've viewed, I've probably seen 30-50 different XBR1s.
This is little solace to those of you with serious problems, and I don't doubt that there are many in that boat. But let's stop assuming all of them are this way because they aren't. If anything, based on what I've read, I'd be a little nervous about your set being an September '05 build. Not only do the older ones seem more susceptible to some of the problems, but it's August of 2006 for goodness sake! How is it that your friend still has such ancient stock? My replacement set was delivered on March 10th, and I still got a March build.
I like my April '06 build 50" XBR1, and do not have the blob problem, knock on wood. But, I have seen enough display sets with the problem to know it exists and is widespread. Just today, I stopped by CompUSA and Circuit City (Emeryville, CA). The display XBR1 in CompUSA (still at pre-A2000 price, surprisingly) had the green blob in the upper right corner of the screen. You didn't have to turn on the memory stick screen to see it; it jumped out at you. At Circuit City, they have finally removed the 50" XBR1 that was there for a couple months with a very bad blob problem (could not understand why they left it on display, unless they wanted to discourage buyers). But, the 60" XBR1 whose display station is now occupied by the A2000 has been moved to a display row along the wall at an "open box" price; and, on some scenes, I am reasonably sure it now has a faint green blob in the upper right corner. It wasn't nearly as noticeable as the blob on the one at CompUSA, and I didn't switch to the memory stick screen. I'd say about 40% of the display sets I've seen in stores have had the blob problem to some degree, which would make it a significant problem.
I like my April '06 build 50" XBR1, and do not have the blob problem, knock on wood. But, I have seen enough display sets with the problem to know it exists and is widespread. Just today, I stopped by CompUSA and Circuit City (Emeryville, CA). The display XBR1 in CompUSA (still at pre-A2000 price, surprisingly) had the green blob in the upper right corner of the screen. You didn't have to turn on the memory stick screen to see it; it jumped out at you. At Circuit City, they have finally removed the 50" XBR1 that was there for a couple months with a very bad blob problem (could not understand why they left it on display, unless they wanted to discourage buyers). But, the 60" XBR1 whose display station is now occupied by the A2000 has been moved to a display row along the wall at an "open box" price; and, on some scenes, I am reasonably sure it now has a faint green blob in the upper right corner. It wasn't nearly as noticeable as the blob on the one at CompUSA, and I didn't switch to the memory stick screen. I'd say about 40% of the display sets I've seen in stores have had the blob problem to some degree, which would make it a significant problem.
The suit asks the court to order Sony to repay to each consumer who purchased a KDS-RxxXBR1 the full price of the set, plus interest. The suit alleges that every single KDS-RxxXBR1 sold has the defect, even if it has not yet become evident. It makes the same allegation concerning the replacement optical blocks and ASU/DSU boards.
The court is also asked to issue an injunction prohibiting Sony from selling the product.
The suit asks the court to order Sony to repay to each consumer who purchased a KDS-RxxXBR1 the full price of the set, plus interest. The suit alleges that every single KDS-RxxXBR1 sold has the defect, even if it has not yet become evident. It makes the same allegation concerning the replacement optical blocks and ASU/DSU boards.
The court is also asked to issue an injunction prohibiting Sony from selling the product.
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Well, I'm not a lawyer. But the complaint cites numerous State and Federal laws in favor of the pleadings, although I didn't noitice any case law citations. Typically, it's the interpretive precedents formed by previous decisions that govern what the laws actually mean, as far as the courts are concerned. There must be a heavy thicket of such precedents.
Obviously, the heart of the case will be the evidence that can be produced in support of the claimed facts. That will determine whether the jury will find Sony guilty of violating any of the laws cited in the complaint (based on preponderance of the evidence, by the way--this is a civil case.)
Assuming Sony is found guilty, the real fun will be the battle over the appropriate remedies for Sony having violated the law (for each such law.) Again, the existing case law will be a key factor.
Of course, Sony is likely to appeal any adverse judgement. I strongly suspect this will be where the case ends up, and where the final decisions will be made as to who gets what when.
Well, I'm not a lawyer. But the complaint cites numerous State and Federal laws in favor of the pleadings, although I didn't noitice any case law citations. Typically, it's the interpretive precedents formed by previous decisions that govern what the laws actually mean, as far as the courts are concerned. There must be a heavy thicket of such precedents.
Obviously, the heart of the case will be the evidence that can be produced in support of the claimed facts. That will determine whether the jury will find Sony guilty of violating any of the laws cited in the complaint (based on preponderance of the evidence, by the way--this is a civil case.)
Assuming Sony is found guilty, the real fun will be the battle over the appropriate remedies for Sony having violated the law (for each such law.) Again, the existing case law will be a key factor.
Of course, Sony is likely to appeal any adverse judgement. I strongly suspect this will be where the case ends up, and where the final decisions will be made as to who gets what when.
If they're smart, they ask for whatever the underlying laws and/or applicable case law allow, based on the assumption that all the facts cited in the complaint are true, and that all the cited laws and precedents mean what the lawyers think they mean (and intend to so argue.)
If they're smart, they ask for whatever the underlying laws and/or applicable case law allow, based on the assumption that all the facts cited in the complaint are true, and that all the cited laws and precedents mean what the lawyers think they mean (and intend to so argue.)
The key facts alleged by the complaint are summed up in the Preliminary Statement, thusly:
The complaint goes into greater detail about Sony's alleged actions, and makes other material allegations concerning the Defect in the televisions.
I think the most important quote in that regard is the following:
The lawyers would not make such claims, unless they were confident they could prove them at trial. Of course, in the end the jury will decide what it thinks the facts are, weighing all the evidence, including that presented by Sony.
As for the law, the complaint cites the following causes of action:
The fourth cause of action lists numerous State laws of numerous States that Sony is alleged to have violated.
If you want more "beef" than that, read the Complaint, and or talk to the lawyer.
The key facts alleged by the complaint are summed up in the Preliminary Statement, thusly:
The complaint goes into greater detail about Sony's alleged actions, and makes other material allegations concerning the Defect in the televisions.
I think the most important quote in that regard is the following:
The lawyers would not make such claims, unless they were confident they could prove them at trial. Of course, in the end the jury will decide what it thinks the facts are, weighing all the evidence, including that presented by Sony.
As for the law, the complaint cites the following causes of action:
The fourth cause of action lists numerous State laws of numerous States that Sony is alleged to have violated.
If you want more "beef" than that, read the Complaint, and or talk to the lawyer.
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