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You're supposed to read all his posts in the voice of Marvin the Paranoid Android :p
You think you've got problems. What are you supposed to do if you are a manically depressed robot? No, don't even bother answering. I'm 50,000 times more intelligent than you and even I don't know the answer.

And then of course I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left side.
 
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Seems like I remember a couple of P70 owners a few days ago said they were going to calibrate their sets in the near future. Us P70 owners sure would like to benefit from your efforts. We have Z-Mads calibration but he abandoned us for a 1080p set:). I understand his reasons. I would like to see if others are finding similar results from their calibrations. Thank you in advance from all of us non-calibration experts for your efforts. I am particularly interested if you have tried to adjust settings to maximize pq through calibrating at 75% saturation and also starting from other color levels. I am happy with what I am seeing but the engineer side of me wants to know:).
I too would like to reiterate this sentiment but extend it to all P-Series AVSers.

Anyone calibrate these puppies? How did it go?
 

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Seems like I remember a couple of P70 owners a few days ago said they were going to calibrate their sets in the near future. Us P70 owners sure would like to benefit from your efforts. We have Z-Mads calibration but he abandoned us for a 1080p set:). I understand his reasons. I would like to see if others are finding similar results from their calibrations. Thank you in advance from all of us non-calibration experts for your efforts. I am particularly interested if you have tried to adjust settings to maximize pq through calibrating at 75% saturation and also starting from other color levels. I am happy with what I am seeing but the engineer side of me wants to know:).
Yep, I've had my P70 for a few days now and got it mostly calibrated Sunday night, though I still have to go back and fine-tune it some more, which is why I haven't posted settings or full calibration findings just yet. Finding time to work with it in the middle of the week tends to be problematic, since after working all day, cooking and eating dinner (since I refuse to eat some TV dinner or takeout crap :p), then I just want to relax and, well, actually watch TV or play a game (which should already say something about the PQ I'm getting out of my P70 since an uncalibrated or poorly calibrated set drives me nuts). ;)
 

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Yep, I've had my P70 for a few days now and got it mostly calibrated Sunday night, though I still have to go back and fine-tune it some more, which is why I haven't posted settings or full calibration findings just yet. Finding time to work with it in the middle of the week tends to be problematic, since after working all day, cooking and eating dinner (since I refuse to eat some TV dinner or takeout crap :p), then I just want to relax and, well, actually watch TV or play a game (which should already say something about the PQ I'm getting out of my P70 since an uncalibrated or poorly calibrated set drives me nuts). ;)

Wait you actually watch content? I thought that was against the rules


I'm lost in the blue nowhere.
 

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All this talk about the 65" having the best panel makes me happy :D I ordered the 65" off my gut that it would end up being the best panel! We will see next week that 2 week shipping is killing me.
I got my 65" a week ago, streamed episode 1 of The Blacklist in 4K from Netflix and watched it in standard mode. Best picture I've EVER seen. Wow :)
 

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I got my P60 this afternoon.

Lag tests on P60 using Rock Band on PS3:

Through AVR, HDMI4 no game mode: 117ms
Through AVR, HDMI4 game mode: 78ms

Through AVR, HDMI5 no game mode: 71ms
Through AVR, HDMI5 game mode: 14ms (holy crap!)

I was suspicious of that final test, so I ran it a second time and got 16ms. Wow!

720p games through the PS3 look fine on HDMI5, and since my AVR doesn't seem to add any lag, I think I'll just run the AVR through HDMI5, and remove my cable box from the AVR and hook that up directly to HDMI4 (since I noticed that the cable box looks better through that input).
 

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Wouldn't quite agree with your statement, and maybe you misunderstood what I tried to convey...

I didn't say "it's good enough" - I rather said it's excellent without a big necessity for more resolution. I wouldn't compare the jump to HD to the jump to UHD. HD is hugely noticeable compared to non-HD, and as the TV's got larger was a lot more perceivable and necessary than UHD is today. HD to UHD is often practically not noticeable at all, whereas the difference from regular to HD is rather significant. Yes, TVs are getting even larger today, but now we're talking 85" and 120" screens, which are a tiny percentage of the market. I did acknowledge that 4K will become a standard and I embrace it, but that doesn't change some of the existing facts that are not my "invention"...

I didn't say plainly "you can't see any difference", but stated that in most cases under normal viewing conditions (screen size and viewing distance) 4K will hardly look any different. Again, not my "invention", but a simple fact of physiology of the human eye and it's finite resolution.

When I say "I'm not bashing", then I'm not. I did not say early adopters of 4K are doing it all wrong and should all return their TV's, etc. I tried the P70 and 4K myself, as I am one of early adopters when it comes to such things, and if adopting the novelty is truly of benefit. So I simply stated some factual things and realizations about current state of 4K, which is not "bashing"...

As you may realize, I try to qualify my statements and don't make them in a way you seem to have understood ;)
This is where I'm at. But in need of a new 60" I would have gotten the P 4k just because it's only a few dollars more than a 1080p 60" and has some advanced tech like 6 core cpu, etc. However, I only watch comcast cable, dvr, and sports. I'm worried the P 4k will look worse than a regular 1080p set for the stuff I watch. Something I won't be able to test at the best buy.
 

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I got my 65" a week ago, streamed episode 1 of The Blacklist in 4K from Netflix and watched it in standard mode. Best picture I've EVER seen. Wow :)
hype! You did any calibration after that? No calibrations results or numbers exist for the 65". Having mine arrive next week with 0 calibration equipment and no one in a 4,000 mile radius to work on it, i'm scared.
 

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It is 1415...I book marked it when he posted so I could find it easily when my P70 arrives from Costco (today).

Final settings and impressions of the P70:

After a few days of playing with it, I'd say in the end that this is a solid TV that performs quite well overall and will satisfy many... Main issues I discovered:
- Red color is orangish and can't be properly calibrated (not terrible, but can't be brought to proper level of accuracy)
- Brightness indeed has to be brought down to 51 (at 52, which calibration would suggest as ideal, FALD doesn't quite work and some flashing is noticeable in dark scenes, easily demonstrated during credits at the end of a movie)
- FALD is not ideal, but overall still good, and one has to enable it after all in order to get the proper benefit of this TV
- Clear Action cannot be enabled (at least on my set), as it dims one row of light zones to the right from the center line of the screen, introducing a noticeable dimmer area on the screen and killing screen uniformity
- Upscaler works quite well, but does introduce some pixelation and pixel fluctuation in areas of fine color graduation, like skies and clouds, or sometimes even facial/skin tones...

I settled on the following calibrated settings (again, Calman 5.3, i1DisplayPro meter, BT. 1886 gamma curve):

---Basic Picture settings---
Picture Mode: Calibrated
Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 42
Brightness: 51
Contrast: 47
Color: 54
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

---Advanced Picture---
Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Low
Active LED Zones: On
Smooth Motion Effect: Off
Clear Action: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Off
Reduce Block Noise: Off
Game Low Latency: Off (unless for gaming)
Film Mode: Auto
Gamma: 2.4

---Color Tuner---
[Hue, Saturation, Brightness]
Red: -5, -16, -3
Green: 3, -34, 18
Blue: -19, 12, -3
Cyan: 0, -18, 5
Magenta: 0, 10, -25
Yellow: -1, -27, 3

Red offset: 3
Red gain: 0
Green offset: -1
Green Gain: -5
Blue offset: -1
Blue gain: -3

11-point white balance:
[Red, Green, Blue]
5%: -14, -10, -21
10%: -27, -20, -20
20%: -5, 1, 0
30%: 1, 5, -2
40%: 0, 4, -3
50%: -5, 0, -6
60%: 0, 4, -5
70%: -1, 2, -5
80%: 5, 8, 0
90%: 2, 7, -3
100%: 6, -2, -2

Edited after re-calibrating with FALD turned on!
Here it is so it doesn't need to be hunted down
 

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I took a quick peek at Blacklist an it looked pretty good...but it was obvious how badly the out of the box settings wash everything out...

I quickly dialed back backlight and brightness and the set really came alive...

Netflix looks fantastic....Comcast HD looks great and my Lego Movie Blu-Ray fed thru my PS3 and Onkyo 737 looked spectacular...

initial impressions are incredibly positive!!

I did see a strange vertical split-screen type line on some early Netflix content....but that could also be a bandwidth issue....(I may need to bring a hardline to the set or upgrade my router)....

I can't wait to see how well the set does after calibration...although I'm in no rush to calibrate as I'll let the firmware mature slightly before investing....in the meantime..I'll tinker a little and consume content a lot!!
 

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Anybody who would watch a TV like this at 45 degrees is obviously not a video enthusiast. I cannot recall a single instance where I have watched a TV at any significant angle unless I was visiting somewhere and the TV was on for background or wallpaper. I find it super annoying to be looking at such a distorted picture. I think most people would, as well.
To each their own. This fits in the same category as those who criticize anyone who buys a high end TV and doesn't use an AVR and external speakers for sound or those who say you can't see 4K anyway so why did you bother. It may not fit your use case but that doesn't make it either wrong or uncommon. I can think of plenty of real world situations where people watch at that angle -- a bunch of people over for the big game and not everyone can have the best seats, a basement game room where you're not always watching from the seating area, etc. In my house our family room 65" plasma is also viewed sometimes from our primary eating area in the adjacent breakfast nook and the TV is at at ~60 degree angle (even after using the awesome built-in swivel stand). It's not the way we would sit down to watch a movie for the first time with the lights off, but it's perfectly fine to see the day's news or a game show or a kids show, etc. And it's still nice having a screen where there is no discernible loss of color, contrast or brightness versus center angles…
 

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I agree. I still read some of their stuff on-line but, from what I've read, they make no mention of black level in their TV reviews.
They also rated very highly some speakers I owned. I found them to be junk with very cheap and poorly built components.........
I think they are just spread too thin. You can't be a specialist in every single consumer item that's out there.
Imagic did the following article on Consumer Report's TV Testing Lab about a year ago in case anyone is interested.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-l...visiting-consumer-reports-tv-testing-lab.html
 

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Ordered mine at BB the 29th coming tomorrow between 1-3. Got the 55. I'm not gonna let u animals ruin my purchase lol. My 2003 50 inch song grand vega just diedast week so what I see is gonna be an improvement no matter what. I been lurking on here the past two weeks and can't believe my login still works. Haven't been here since I got the Sony and the HDTV boom was about to happen. I'm a causal tv guy but if anyone has questions about the P55 let me know
 

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hype! You did any calibration after that? No calibrations results or numbers exist for the 65". Having mine arrive next week with 0 calibration equipment and no one in a 4,000 mile radius to work on it, i'm scared.
I don't have the skill-set to calibrate but will contact someone in a couple of weeks to do it. I'm sure someone in the forum can help you. Best Luck!
 

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I agree. I still read some of their stuff on-line but, from what I've read, they make no mention of black level in their TV reviews.
They also rated very highly some speakers I owned. I found them to be junk with very cheap and poorly built components.........
I think they are just spread too thin. You can't be a specialist in every single consumer item that's out there.
I've owned some of the products Consumer Reports has reviewed, and I know others. I wouldn't trust anything they say. They put off the vibe to me of someone that is being paid to say, this is the best so and so out there.
 

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For the P series owners here, on the M652i-B2 it has been confirmed that turning on the power indicator light brightens the picture only if you have the picture set to "standard". It does NOT do this in any of the other picture modes. Interestingly, none of the settings in the standard mode change with the power indicator on or off.

Does this behavior also exist on any of the P Series?
Bueller? Anyone?
 
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