I recognize that website! I remember trying to find any info on whether he really knew what he was doing but then decided against it when I found out Dnice comes down to San Diego and that his rates are ridiculously good compared to the competition amongst his peers (basically you don't get any travel charges).I just had a bad calibration experience. The local calibrator came and worked on my television (P552ui-B2) on Monday. At the end, he packed up his stuff and we played a Dolby demo disc he'd brought along. He was distressed by some posterization that he saw in those images and immediately started tweaking color, tint and brightness to try to get rid of it. He got it to where he seemed to like it, then told me that Color and Tint were like salt and pepper and would probably need to be tweaked for various sources.
That evening I tried watching some recorded network television on my TiVo Roamio and it was a mess. Skin tones weren't just off, they were mottled and shifting with tiny blotches of unnatural color like cyan. The entire effect made the picture a little muddy and low-def seeming. No amount of backlight, brightness, color or tone adjustments would make it go away, so I bailed his CMS settings and punched back in Buzz's daytime settings, which though not perfect were watchable, with even skin tones. Eventually I decided that Buzz's were a bit too subdued and started using the "Cool" color-temp based "Standard" preset with the backlight turned down. It's a bit too blue but the reds and skin tones are decent; it'll do for the moment.
When punching Buzz's numbers back in for the "Normal" color temp, I noticed that the white balance table had not been changed from Buzz's numbers for daytime. Before he left, I'd asked the calibrator whether he'd set up white balance because I hadn't noticed him doing it and he said that he had. If he did, they matched Buzz's numbers exactly (seems unlikely) or Buzz's numbers came back magically (seems unlikelier).
I sent him a couple of emails explaining the situation and he sent me one back today saying that he'd put a full refund in the mail. I thanked him for the refund and apologized for having wasted his time (not precisely what I was thinking; I was being polite).
On to the next guy, I guess. This guy's website proclaimed him to be "Greater San Diego’s Only ISF Level 2 Certified Calibration Service". Seems unlikely; we'll see.
Yes, you are quite right. Didn't mean to upset people but I really do dislike watching a screen from a noticeable angle. I even make it a point to go to theaters when they aren't crowded so I can get a center seat!To each their own. This fits in the same category as those who criticize anyone who buys a high end TV and doesn't use an AVR and external speakers for sound or those who say you can't see 4K anyway so why did you bother. It may not fit your use case but that doesn't make it either wrong or uncommon. I can think of plenty of real world situations where people watch at that angle -- a bunch of people over for the big game and not everyone can have the best seats, a basement game room where you're not always watching from the seating area, etc. In my house our family room 65" plasma is also viewed sometimes from our primary eating area in the adjacent breakfast nook and the TV is at at ~60 degree angle (even after using the awesome built-in swivel stand). It's not the way we would sit down to watch a movie for the first time with the lights off, but it's perfectly fine to see the day's news or a game show or a kids show, etc. And it's still nice having a screen where there is no discernible loss of color, contrast or brightness versus center angles…
Btw. just wanted to repeat the disclaimer that shared settings do not always work out on every set. They can and usually are helpful with getting most of the the settings right, but some details in grayscale or color would generally require each set to be calibrated individually for the ultimate accuracy. A lot of times they'll be in the ballpark though and look better than out of the box settings, and chances are good they transfer well on Vizios, as they seem to be quite uniform between sets...Here it is so it doesn't need to be hunted down
I'll be in Naples from the first of the year until the end of February. It'll cost you gas, depreciation, and beer.......Well if you guys can talk Buzz into driving up to Venice when he is in Naples, FL he is welcome to calibrate my P70 as a test
I can't seem to find anything.
Anyone calibrate these puppies? How did it go?
This Thread > Page ONE > Post # 3 > top of the post......... It'll be updated with calibration results as we go along (not just my findings)It is 1415...I book marked it when he posted so I could find it easily when my P70 arrives from Costco (today).
Not likely.This is where I'm at. But in need of a new 60" I would have gotten the P 4k just because it's only a few dollars more than a 1080p 60" and has some advanced tech like 6 core cpu, etc. However, I only watch comcast cable, dvr, and sports. I'm worried the P 4k will look worse than a regular 1080p set for the stuff I watch. Something I won't be able to test at the best buy.
Thanks a bunch. You're the first to positively report the 60P being VA. Much appreciated.BUZZARD, I can 100% confirm that the vizio 60p is a VA panel. And if someone has already posted, just another confirmation.
This is blooming, right? How noticeable is this in person (versus what the camera shows)? Does this happen with other stuff as well, like credits?Here's a screenshot of Destiny's loading screen that shows the local dimming glow. It's the only time I've noticed that effect so far.
Appears to be the AUO VA panel and matches the pixel structure on my M65. This aligns with the sourcing strategy and the identifier at the end of the models to indicate panel supplier.
B2 = AUO
B3 = Sharp
I have seen this same (or very close variant) AUO panel on some 65" Samsung sets. Makes sense right? There are very limited suppliers making 65" panels.
I did get a firmware update downloaded automatically. Unfortunately I didn't get to read about it as I was in the middle of clicking between menus and dismissed it accidentally.
I have noticed some of this, especially in loading screens and credits. (My experience is with a P55.) It's noticeable, but not terribly distracting, and per my understanding, it's inherent to FALD. More zones could alleviate the issue, but you'd have to hold out for the R series for thatThis is blooming, right? How noticeable is this in person (versus what the camera shows)? Does this happen with other stuff as well, like credits?
With the limited actual UHD content we have its kind of hard to say you can't "see" a difference when so much of it is streamed at low bit rates and would qualify as closer to 1080p BR instead of actual UHD content.
That's the only time I've noticed it so far. I'm watching a Blu-Ray tonight, so we'll see what the credits look like.This is blooming, right? How noticeable is this in person (versus what the camera shows)? Does this happen with other stuff as well, like credits?
The picture is accurate to how it looks in person. It doesn't bother me, because I never see that bloom in regular content.Yup, that's blooming but not really bad at all if the picture accurately reflects what you're seeing.
I got my P60 this afternoon.
Lag tests on P60 using Rock Band on PS3:
Through AVR, HDMI4 no game mode: 117ms
Through AVR, HDMI4 game mode: 78ms
Through AVR, HDMI5 no game mode: 71ms
Through AVR, HDMI5 game mode: 14ms (holy crap!)
I was suspicious of that final test, so I ran it a second time and got 16ms. Wow!
720p games through the PS3 look fine on HDMI5, and since my AVR doesn't seem to add any lag, I think I'll just run the AVR through HDMI5, and remove my cable box from the AVR and hook that up directly to HDMI4 (since I noticed that the cable box looks better through that input).