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thanks for that - I'd been wondering if this would be a good set as a monitor ever since Imagic's review on this site mentioned it would be a great candidate for a monitor.
Its great for gaming @ 1080p (120Hz). Unbelievable input lag. Its really sad with such an awesome feature that they killed its usability (for me) with the butchered wannabe HDMI 2.0 (at HDMI 1.4 bandwidth).

If I want a 4k display that is going to do 30Hz @ 4k and 120Hz @ 1080p then I would buy a $400 seiki instead.
 

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I received my 70p yesterday and after performing my standard OCD un-boxing ritual of checking for cracks and shipping damages, I powered it up. I ran through Vizio’s initial start-up process and displayed the internal grayscale test patterns to check for stuck/dead pixels and for any uniformity issues. It passed the test and surprisingly, it was extremely uniform across all intensities. I have not received my PRO2 from Tom and I was going to break out my profiled display 3 pro, however, I just wanted to do some preliminary testing. I selected calibrated dark (and not having a meter hooked up), dropped the backlight down to 20, and adjusted contrast/brightness/color/sharpness via my disc. Then I entered advanced setup and turned off all processing (which seemed to be the entire menu). I left on local dimming and set gamma to 2.4. Moving onto content, The Amazing Spiderman 2 1080p source direct out of my OPPO BDP-93 looked pristine considering Vizio was doing all the processing to scale this video to the native resolution of the panel. With sharpness set to 0, the image remained crisp and free of artifacts. Next was Netflix. I selected the first UHD movie I came across (which happened to be The Smurfs 2), I was blown away (not by the movie) but the resolution. The picture quality was phenomenal. Lastly, I wanted to put the P through some dark room testing and check Vizio’s local dimming implementation limitations. I stuck with calibrated dark, ran through my 2% patch 21-point grayscale, and check for blooming at all intensities. Surprisingly, blooming was minimal as I think this is due to Vizio not completely turning off its backlight unless nothing is displayed on the screen. However, I did find an anomaly. Calibration dark seems to have a completely different dimming algorithm than any other preset. I noticed this when I went to save under a custom name and once saved, the blooming was almost magnified by 50%. I didn’t find this acceptable and decided to re-run another test. I deleted the new custom saved preset and brought calibrated dark back to factory. Next, I changed one setting (sharpness), so I can get the asterisk next to the calibrated dark preset. Then, I saved it again under a custom name and as soon as I hit save, the same anomaly happened again (a complete backlight shift). I will have to do some further testing but it seems like with this current firmware 1.0.0, calibrated dark seems to have the best local dimming implementation over the rest of the presets, however the local dimming scheme cannot be saved to a custom preset. Only the settings can be saved. I will do some more testing this weekend once my meter arrives and I’ll update you once completed.

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I can confirm the local dimming differences between Calibrated Dark and other modes, including that the differences 'magically' go away if you save a customized Calibrated Dark. It seems to mostly have to do with the backlight not ramping up nearly as much - I find even with Backlight of 100, it's slightly dimmer than my 'Video Calibration' setting that's using Backlight of 28 with Clear Action off. Also rather interestingly, Clear Action on is actually slightly brighter than Off when using Calibrated Dark. Grayscale (and hence overall color balance) also looks very slightly different so different grayscale settings would be necessary for it to be 100% dialed-in. OTOH, presumably since the backlight never ramps up very much (even with Backlight of 100), blooming is extremely minimal and the trailing effect is almost impossible to notice, even in a completely dark room...
 

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How do I output audio from my TV to my AVR? I see HDMI port #1 is labeled as Audio out, I have an HDMI cable attached to my AVR from that output but there's no audio coming over to the AVR. Any ideas?

I have my AVR attached to HDMI 5 as input. I want to output audio from broadcast TV to the DVR. I could get an optical digital cable if necessary, but if I could just do with what I already have, that would be perfect.
you may have to enable CEC under the system setting...

i've got HDMI 1 Arc connect to a the Vizio 5.1 soundbar Hdmi..
and getting audio for everyday use..
and Optical cable to the AVR if i want the full sound.
 

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you may have to enable CEC under the system setting...

i've got HDMI 1 Arc connect to a the Vizio 5.1 soundbar Hdmi..
and getting audio for everyday use..
and Optical cable to the AVR if i want the full sound.
Looks like my AVR doesn't support CEC. No big deal. Optical cables aren't super expensive.
 

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I just searched google because I was curious about the WAN speed requirements for streaming 4k, this is what Netflix says but other users who actually use it might have a better answer.

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444
Can someone explain why Netflix is calling for 25Mbps or higher. My DSL provider maxes out at 20Mbps and would have to switch to cable modem and that would be a pain.
 

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Are you saying it can't meet HDMI 2.0 specs? I thought that was necessary for 4k at the higher framerates though?
I've fought with my P55 since about the 25th of last month. Using an EVGA 970. Hopeless, getting [email protected] will not work. No 4:4:4 support, and Nvdiai doesn't do 4:2:0 over the HDMI connection...

I was really, really wanting to liek this set. With 5 other Vizios in this house, I've always been a fan.. however... it'll be going back to Costco on Saturday, as I pick up the Panasonic AX800. PC testing with that, even over HDMI, were great.
 

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Can someone explain why Netflix is calling for 25Mbps or higher. My DSL provider maxes out at 20Mbps and would have to switch to cable modem and that would be a pain.

Becsuse 4k takes bandwidth. I hope you realize even at 25Mbps these are "bit starved" encodes and on the lower end of the 4k scale. The suggested bandwidth of 25Mbps is to ensure you have enough headroom for when streaming 15-18+Mbps movies and shows. Otherwise you'll be getting HD.


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I've fought with my P55 since about the 25th of last month. Using an EVGA 970. Hopeless, getting [email protected] will not work. No 4:4:4 support, and Nvdiai doesn't do 4:2:0 over the HDMI connection...

I was really, really wanting to liek this set. With 5 other Vizios in this house, I've always been a fan.. however... it'll be going back to Costco on Saturday, as I pick up the Panasonic AX800. PC testing with that, even over HDMI, were great.
Thanks for your thoughts. Well the AX800 is certainly an upgrade, but it does come with some serious extra cash requirements, more than I'd be willing to pay for a monitor and I'd actually prefer the smaller 50 inch size when it comes out since I'd be closer to the screen.

Look forward to hearing your thoughts on the AX800 though elsewhere!
 

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I can confirm the local dimming differences between Calibrated Dark and other modes, including that the differences 'magically' go away if you save a customized Calibrated Dark. It seems to mostly have to do with the backlight not ramping up nearly as much - I find even with Backlight of 100, it's slightly dimmer than my 'Video Calibration' setting that's using Backlight of 28 with Clear Action off. Also rather interestingly, Clear Action on is actually slightly brighter than Off when using Calibrated Dark. Grayscale (and hence overall color balance) also looks very slightly different so different grayscale settings would be necessary for it to be 100% dialed-in. OTOH, presumably since the backlight never ramps up very much (even with Backlight of 100), blooming is extremely minimal and the trailing effect is almost impossible to notice, even in a completely dark room...
Yeah, I noticed the backlight ramp was limited in calibrated dark as well. I also noticed, like you mentioned above, a few advanced settings act differently while in cal dark compared to other presets. Not too much of a big deal but kind of disappointing that you can't save a custom cal dark and name it how you want with the same dimming implementation. I got tracking on my Pro2 and it should be arriving this Friday...I can't wait to attack this display!
 

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I have read through most of this thread and, unfortunately, a lot of the tech talk goes way over my head. Would appreciate your opinions on the 65" vs 70" however here is some background information first:


  • Replacing a Sony 50" DLP
  • Viewing distance = 10-11 feet
  • Location = basement with no natural light
  • Primary use = 80% console gaming and 20% movie/TV viewing
  • Viewing angle is a concern as I have 1 spot that is pretty much on center; the other seats' viewing angle probably ranges from 20-30 degrees though I'm no mathematician
  • Good color and deep blacks are important too
  • I don't have any 4K media currently
I know it is recommended to get the largest TV you can afford based on your viewing distance. So, I'm interested in the Vizio P series 65" or 70". Based on my criteria above, which would be the best choice? My biggest concern is viewing angle and it seems all of the P series may have poor viewing angles. As far as colors/black levels, is there a big difference between the 65 and 70?

Finally, my other choice is the Sony W850B 70". It also has a low lag time and better viewing angles than the P series (based on Rtings.com). I don't think I'll see any of the 4K benefits due to my viewing distance? So maybe the Sony is the best choice? It is cheaper too at Best Buy with the mover's coupon.

Thanks all!
That sony won't be able to touch the Vizio P's Black levels and screen uniformity that's a given. The Vizio is full array + local dimming, while the sony is just an edge lit set without the latter.
 

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Thanks for your thoughts. Well the AX800 is certainly an upgrade, but it does come with some serious extra cash requirements, more than I'd be willing to pay for a monitor and I'd actually prefer the smaller 50 inch size when it comes out since I'd be closer to the screen.

Look forward to hearing your thoughts on the AX800 though elsewhere!
Supposedly there's a 50" AX800 as well, or maybe there was and it was discontinued... I haven't been able to find it. All I know is that Best Buy allowed me to bring my PC in, and test it. BAM! 4K/60hz right on boot, over the HDMI connection. They didn't have a Display Port cable in stock we could test with.
I had high hopes for the Viz. Because of it's reasonable price, it would have allowed a 3 "monitor" setup without breaking the bank for racing sims... :eek:
 

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Becsuse 4k takes bandwidth. I hope you realize even at 25Mbps these are "bit starved" encodes and on the lower end of the 4k scale. The suggested bandwidth of 25Mbps is to ensure you have enough headroom for when streaming 15-18+Mbps movies and shows. Otherwise you'll be getting HD.


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that's my point how much headroom do you need. if the movie is 15Mbps do you really need 67% at 25Mbps more headroom?
 

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He's been wrong twice so far with this "insider information" so really I wouldn't put all that much stock in it.


I'm lost in the blue nowhere.
Not sure what I was wrong about, maybe the confusion over the screens vs who the ODM was....

The majority of the supply on the P50 went to the P502ui-B1E. The P502ui-B1 supply will be available mainly after the holidays and will hit the majority of the big box stores then. Not saying you have to believe me, but I'm 100% certain on this as I was tasked with helping to sell the P502ui-B1 after the supply becomes available. Things could have changed in the relatively short time since I left, but I highly doubt it
 

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that's my point how much headroom do you need. if the movie is 15Mbps do you really need 67% at 25Mbps more headroom?

It's a recommendation as the "steady" often means spikes could reach or exceed that amount. If you don't reach the recommended speed they don't say what will happen, but I would expect degraded quality. Many people say they have 25Mbps connection but due to all of the variables between the user and Netflix you may not even get close to that number.


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How do I output audio from my TV to my AVR? I see HDMI port #1 is labeled as Audio out, I have an HDMI cable attached to my AVR from that output but there's no audio coming over to the AVR. Any ideas?

I have my AVR attached to HDMI 5 as input. I want to output audio from broadcast TV to the DVR. I could get an optical digital cable if necessary, but if I could just do with what I already have, that would be perfect.
Is ARC enabled?
 

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Is ARC enabled?
I checked and enabled it. I don't get any audio output to the AVR though. When I turn the TV on the AVR comes on and is switched to TV, though I think that the AVR is looking for something in the Optical input, and the TV input is not linked to an HDMI port from what I can tell. Don't have an overly fancy unit (VSX-822K), so if I need to use Optical I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
 

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It's a recommendation as the "steady" often means spikes could reach or exceed that amount. If you don't reach the recommended speed they don't say what will happen, but I would expect degraded quality. Many people say they have 25Mbps connection but due to all of the variables between the user and Netflix you may not even get close to that number.


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thanks for the thoughts. unless my phone company upgrades looks like i'm eventually going to have to change. its a shame they have been good to me. good discounts every two years. i have 10Mbps and its pretty steady at 9-9.5Mbps. their 20mbps service is some kinda two wire bonded system which i'm not sure of. cable has 10, 15, 30Mbps maybe more. one town over a local company in that town is doing fiber for the whole town. so jealous lol
 

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Well... I have an issue now guys.

Last night, I experienced that single line running across the TV as mentioned by some others on here earlier. As well as the top 1/5 of the screen updating late. This occurred right after I reset my Xbox One (all my video runs through my Xbox One). I tried a bunch of things, but turning the XBox One off then back on fixed it.

I got home from work and when I turned on my Xbox, the entire screen was messed up. Static, lines, color off, etc. I tried turning the Xbox on and off and the TV on and off and moving to HDMI 4, nothing. Eventually, rebooting the Xbox One did the trick.

Now, is this an issue with the TV or the Xbox? I believe I had heard some others in here having a similar issue. Then only thig that's changed recently is the TV, leading me to believe that's the issue.



If it is the TV, and its not something that's common... I'll have to get is replaced. The only question then is do I stick with the 55", or go bigger? (I couldn't go smaller at this point). I'm pretty sure any bigger would just be overkill though, and I am not sure about the lag times on the other TVs. And while the added viewing angle is nice, it won't matter for the next two years or so.

Also, with other people posting about their 55s with the exact same like leaking issues in the exact same areas, it makes me wonder if it is just common across the 55? Or if I could get lucky and have that fixed if its replaced.



Any suggestions? Does this seem like something bad enough to warrant a return?
 

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Anyone Else Getting Netflix 2160SD?

Wondering if that's what it should normally say , or should it say 2160HD ?
thanks . Calibrations wise Still trying to see which of the ones posted I like better on my P70






Looking at nextflix 4k content only the Smurfs2 and Blacklist are real 4k content and some of the Moving art content, everything else isn't. Which means that it was actually shot with 4k cameras. House of cards looks good but I doubt that was originally 4k. Connected to my PC it looks amazing , Video games at 4k 60p don't need antialiasing . Using GTX 970.
 
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