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**Official** 2016 Sony X930D / X940D Owners Thread

Sony Product Information Page HERE

Sony Product Manulas HERE

Product Reviews

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WHAT HI*FI CLICK HERE

FORBES CLICK HERE

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Picture Quality

The 930D looked pretty good out of the box but to get a true and accurate look you will need to make some picture changes. Settings Posted in Post #2 here. Native 4K looks great and the sets upscaling and motion controls is second to none as all Sony's seem to be. HDR looks amazing on this set. Black levels trump any other edge lit set I have encountered including Samsungs JS8500 and JS9000.

Pros

Android OS capabilities and Apps
Cutting Edge picture quality
Motion Control is excellent
Color accuracy and Black Levels are as close to perfect as possible with LCD units

Cons

Expensive
Black Levels not on par with Fald Sets or OLED
Some Ghosting/Clouding and a little banding also artifacts from time to time
Backlight Uniformity
Viewing Angle (Make sure you do not have a bad angle or you will be sorry)

Conclusion

Overall, the Sony XBR930D is an exciting model for 2016 with Sony's New Grid Array Backlight System, but for 1500.00 cheaper and the great speakers you may want to go with the 930C since I did not see that many improvements from the previous years set. However I will say that this set outperformed the JS9000 and any other Samsung I have owned or viewed (JS9500 not included). I think this television would work well for most viewers but remember at the end of the day it is not Fald and will still have some of the issues that plaque Edge lit type units.

Ongoing Issues from some Owners

The 65X930D has issues with the frame of the TV being bent and deformed. If your unit exhibits this flaw please let Sony know on their Community forum.
https://www.community.sony.com/t5/4K...564326#U564326


The 65X930D has crippling issues with heavy crosstalk when watching 3D regardless of using Sony's own glasses (TDG-BT500A) or content source. If you have tested your unit and it exhibits this flaw please let Sony know on their Community forum.
https://www.community.sony.com/t5/4K...565811#U565811
 

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Calibration update and suggested settings (4/4/16)

This TV does something different with a 1080p60 rgb444 signal than it does with a 2160p60 rgb444 signal.

As it turns out, 1080p60 rgb444 gives almost perfect color accuracy with very little adjustment.
2160p60 rgb444 on the other hand is much more difficult to calibrate, and I am still unable to get pretty looking charts without use of 3dlut. 2160p ycc gives results similar to the 1080p measurements, but using ycc output from an htpc can introduce banding.

As far as I can tell, for 4k sources it is probably best to make sure your device is outputting in Ycc mode and not RGB


Calibrated Settings for HD and bluray (rec709 color space)
Picture Mode: Custom
Auto Picture Mode: Off
Brightness: 14-15 for 100nits; 30 for 150nits
Color: 53
Light Sensor: Off

Advanced Settings
-Brightness
Brightness 14-15 for 100nits; 30 for 150nits
Contrast 95
Gamma -2 (results in 2.3 measured gamma)
Black level 50
Black Adjust Off
Adv. Contrast enhancer Off
Auto local dimming Medium
X-tended Dynamic Range Off

-Color
Color 53
Hue 0
Color Temperature Expert 1
Color Space bt709 or Auto
Live Color Off

--Adv Color Temperature
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -4
B-Gain -5
R-Bias 1
G-Bias 0
B-Bias 2

-Clarity
Sharpness 50
Reality Creation Off
Random Noise Reduction Off
Digital Noise Reduction Off

-Motion
Motionflow Clear
CineMotion Off (?haven't looked into this too much)

uhd 4K HDR settings
There are no reliable standards/targets to calibrate towards. Using Amazon HDR as a reference, the overall best result I have gotten is to use the settings above for the "HDR" picture mode with the following changes:
Brightness - as high as you can handle
Local dimming - medium
Xdr - medium (grayed out)
Color space - auto or bt2020
Live color - off (or high, seems to depend on the content)


Calibration measurements
This section has a lot of measurements. For anyone unfamiliar with what the numbers and charts mean, this is an excellent result. Especially since I only did a 2pt white balance calibration. Given the results I may go back and do a full 10pt calibration for my own edification, but the difference in picture quality would probably not be observable. The color accuracy results are astounding for a TV with no color controls.
Gamut coverage


Gamma


RGB Balance


Saturation Shifts


Luminance tracking


Grayscale measures


Primaries and secondaries


Colorchecker patterns


Red


Green


Blue


Yellow


Cyan


Magenta

Relation between brightness and light output & impact of Motionflow:Clear

Black uniformity -


Gray uniformity / dse test -


Local dimming test -

Viper32 (POP Settings, if you like a more vivid picture)

Picture Adjustments
Picture Mode: Standard
Auto Picture Mode: Off
Brightness: 30
Color: 52
Light Sensor: Off

Advanced Settings
Brightness
Brightness: 30
Contrast: 90
Gamma: -2
Black Level: 47
Black Adjust: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Auto Local Dimming: Medium
Extended Dynamic Range: Low

Color
Color: 52
Hue: R1
Color Temp: Cool1
Color Space: Auto
Live Color: Low

Advanced Color Temperature
Basic
R-Gain: -6
G-Gain: -5
B-Gain: Max
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0
Multipoint (10P)
Color Gamma Adjustment Points: 1
R-Offset: 4
G-Offset: 3
B-Offset: 4

Clarity
Sharpness: 20
Reality Creation: Off
Mastered in 4K: Off
Random Noise: Off
Digital Noise: Off

Motion
Motionflow: Smooth
Cinemotion: Off

Latest Software Update Refinements:

UPDATE System Software Update Release Date 4/07/2016 Version PKG3.395.1015NAB File Size 1.19 GB HERE
File Description
Sony has designed the BRAVIA® Televisions software update process to be customer friendly. This software update (version PKG3.395.0105NAB) provides the following benefits:
Improvements over version PKG3.307.0101NAB:
Improves the Netflix software quality. (4K HDR model)
Improves general software quality of the TV.
Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version PKG3.395.0105NAB:
Improves general software quality of the TV
Improves RVU support
Adds Twin Picture (PAP function) support
Resolves a condition where a black picture may occur after performing a remote Off/On (KDL-75W850C)
Improves general performance of the TV
Supports PlayMemories Online service
Supports PlayStation™ Now service
Improves Wi-Fi connectivity of the TV
Improves picture quality (dynamic range, noise reduction, sharpness)
Supports Netflix® streaming service (4K Models)
Improves Lip Sync for HDMI input
Improves performance and stability of the USB video playback features
Resolves a condition where a black screen and no sound may occur when an input changes from YouTube® to another input
Resolves a condition where a black screen may occur during USB video playback
Supports Internet based EPG (Electronic program guide)
Supports Netflix streaming service (2K Models)
Supports Amazon®, Pandora®, and Crackle™ applications
Supports Force Reboot by holding down the Power key on the BT or IR remote controller
Improves performance and stability of overall UI operation
Improves performance and stability of the Action Menu
 

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Alright alright alright

We're going to need blooming impressions such as on a credit screen or anything with darks and whites, such as nighttime shots over a city. And if you could get a zone count. Hook up pc if you can and just move a mouse cursor over a full screen black image.

For this test best to turn xtended dynamic range up high with local dimming on high as this will simulate hdr blooming.

The thing most people are waiting on is how the Slim Backlight Drive works in practice and if the blocky grid blooming still exists. Don't be afraid to crank the backlight up to test this out.
 

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I will post my impressions etc. soon as I get it setup and dialed in.

If you have any questions ask away and I will try my best to answer.
If you could please go to the playstore and download the system info app aida64

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...nalwire.aida64

I am looking to find out a few things from inside this app...
Please get what it says for the
- system/cpu/soc model,
- Any information on the cores,
- Total Installed Ram
- GPU model

Also any impressions you could give on general performance navigating the OS if possible but the specs would be great!

Thanks!
 

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Ok will do getting little one situated and then I will setup and try to get as much info as possible.
 

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your sig says 940D =P .. congrats on the purchase

1. all the usual stuff (blooming, blacks, greys, gaming performance, HDR)
2. thoughts on the android OS now. first gen was very buggy & slow.
3. can you still side load apps?
 

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your sig says 940D =P .. congrats on the purchase

1. all the usual stuff (blooming, blacks, greys, gaming performance, HDR)
2. thoughts on the android OS now. first gen was very buggy & slow.
3. can you still side load apps?
What is your zip code as I could call up for a baby sitter and the local CVS for No Doze. Someone else can help out with the Pizza:D
 

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Lol, I will say this they packed this thing like I have never seen. They treat must be worried about breakage. I got it on the stand and powered up working on setup now.

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An exciting time to be shopping around for a new tv myself... All these new sets is making this so exciting! Can't wait to hear your thoughts on this set Viper!
 

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OK I am sorry but not allot I can get done tonight. I have not got setup to my liking as of yet but my initial thoughts are below.

Blacks are good but not OLED like

A little blooming in the corners

Colors are great

Motion is as good or better than any thing I have seen

Local Dimming set to high and still see some blooming but I still do not have everything setup like I like and I am sure some things will be better when I finish setting up.

Any suggestions for starting settings let me know, as I want have to put meter on it until late weekend if then.
 

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OK I am sorry but not allot I can get done tonight. I have not got setup to my liking as of yet but my initial thoughts are below.

Blacks are good but not OLED like

A little blooming in the corners

Colors are great

Motion is as good or better than any thing I have seen

Local Dimming set to high and still see some blooming but I still do not have everything setup like I like and I am sure some things will be better when I finish setting up.

Any suggestions for starting settings let me know, as I want have to put meter on it until late weekend if then.

Local dimming on high for both sony and samsung cranks up highlight brightness and can make blooming worse, so you may want to lower it.
 

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