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Has anyone on this thread who owns the firetv 4k stick added a second gen fire cube to their system and if so are you receiving atmos in the Netflix app,and Disney plus app?
 

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You can still have non HDR content and still be around 18Gbps. Like 444 at 60P and 8 bit which is 17.8 Gbps. Or 422 at 60P and 12 bit which is 17.8 Gbps.
To be specific there is no native [email protected] 4:4:4/RGB "content" for the FTV. The UI is not "content". Likewise 12b is not "non HDR" unless it's actually 8b. So the fundamental point regarding " Standard 2160p (4K) [vs] HDR 4K" stands. In fact if you include encapsulated Dolby Vision then to spec non-certified High Speed cables are sufficient to transport (some) HDR.

The real issue (as far as I can tell) not primarily cabling -- at least in the sense that replacing cables won't help. Particularly if "My AVR does not support HDCP2.2" is true. In that case by-passing the AVR or replacing cables is pointless if the goal is 4K.
 

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To be specific there is no native [email protected] 4:4:4/RGB "content" for the FTV. The UI is not "content". Likewise 12b is not "non HDR" unless it's actually 8b. So the fundamental point regarding " Standard 2160p (4K) [vs] HDR 4K" stands. In fact if you include encapsulated Dolby Vision then to spec non-certified High Speed cables are sufficient to transport (some) HDR.

The real issue (as far as I can tell) not primarily cabling -- at least in the sense that replacing cables won't help. Particularly if "My AVR does not support HDCP2.2" is true. In that case by-passing the AVR or replacing cables is pointless if the goal is 4K.
If a device is outputting in the 422 color space with UHD, it is sending it as 12 bit. That is all that is allowed in the HDMI spec with the 422 colorspace at 2160P. Many receivers erroneously report it being 8 bit, when it's actually 12 bit. Like my Onkyo receiver does.
 
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If a device is outputting in the 422 color space with UHD, it is sending it as 12 bit.
The point being I don't imagine there's any valid 8b content being sent as 4:2:2. It would be a device/configuration error forcing 8b 4:4:4 or 4:2:0 to 4:2:2.
And of course there's the relevant point regarding the OP trying to get 4K (I think).
 

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The point being I don't imagine there's any valid 8b content being sent as 4:2:2. It would be a device/configuration error forcing 8b 4:4:4 or 4:2:0 to 4:2:2.
And of course there's the relevant point regarding the OP trying to get 4K (I think).
My 4K Fire TV sticks are always outputting at 2160P with 422 at 12 bit. At least for SDR and HDR10 content. Of course with DV it's sending RGB.
And a device sending 2160P60 with 444 has to be 8 bit. Since that is already at 17.8Gbps. Like what my UHD BD players send when in the Disc menus. Any higher bitdepth would push it past the 18Gbps limit. Which is why a higher bitdepth than 8bit is not allowed in the HDMI spec with 444 output at 2160P60.
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That cable is almost certain to fail at what you're asking of it. As a test, either run a temporary direct connect to the PJ with a certified premium cable, or even just plug the FTV directly into the PJ.


Plugged FS directly into the hdcp2.2 port on the pj and nothing showed up. “No source”


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My 4K Fire TV sticks are always outputting at 2160P with 422 at 12 bit. At least for SDR
Like I said -- 8b data pointlessly expanded to 12b. The whole FTS color space configuration system seems to be a great example of a poor UX.
 

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My 4K Fire TV sticks are always outputting at 2160P with 422 at 12 bit. At least for SDR
Like I said -- 8b data pointlessly expanded to 12b. The whole FTS color space configuration system seems to be a great example of a poor UX.
Not pointless all. Like he said, it's expanded to 12b deliberately, there is no other option, otherwise it would not be possible to send over a hdmi 2.0 link since hdmi 2.0 does NOT support 4k 4:2:2 in 8 or 10 bit.
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Not pointless all. Like he said, it's expanded to 12b deliberately, there is no other option, otherwise it would not be possible to send over a hdmi 2.0 link since hdmi 2.0 does NOT support 4k 4:2:2 in 8 or 10 bit.
The UI isn't HDR (presumably it's HD scaled to 4K). The FTS sends 4K59.933 422 BT709 12b 593MHz*, it could also send the same 8b data as 4K59.933 420 BT709 8b SDR 297MHz*.

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The UI isn't HDR (presumably it's HD scaled to 4K). The FTS sends 4K59.933 422 BT709 12b 593MHz*, it could also send the same 8b data as 4K59.933 420 BT709 8b SDR 297MHz*.

*HDfury style.
This is true, but 4:2:0 would look even worse than 4:2:2, and it's the UI, which ideally would be full 4:4:4 or RGB. (The Samsung K8500 player I have uses the full-blown 17.82Gbps, 8bit 4:4:4/RGB mode for its UI for example). I was focussing on the 4:2:2 modes and replying to the assertion that the expansion was done "for no reason".
 

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This is true, but 4:2:0 would look even worse than 4:2:2, and it's the UI, which ideally would be full 4:4:4 or RGB. (The Samsung K8500 player I have uses the full-blown 17.82Gbps, 8bit 4:4:4/RGB mode for its UI for example). I was focussing on the 4:2:2 modes and replying to the assertion that the expansion was done "for no reason".
Plus all the streamed content and content on disc is in 420 to begin with anyway.
 

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Do you have resolution set to 2160 on the Fire Box? On my 2016 E6 OLED, I only get 1080p60 with DV from Netflix and Disney. Match frame rate does not work with those apps, so if I set Fire Cube to Auto resolution, it drops all resolution to 1080p on those apps, including 4K, 4K HDR10 and 4K DV HDR on my 4K tv. If I want 4K on those apps, I have to set resolution to 2160 on Fire Cube, but then I lose DV. What a pain. On Amazon Prime, There are no issues. Automatically switches to 4K24 for DV titles.
Set to Auto 4K. I don't get no HDR from any apps. might have to change cables. And I don't have an option to match framerate on my 2015 Fire Box. Don't really care for HDR, since my TV cannot spit it out over HDMI. I'm just confused as to why Disney+ app on the Fire Box sticks to 1080P, while Netflix/Amazon Prime on the Fire Box spits out 2160P with no problem?
 

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This is true, but 4:2:0 would look even worse than 4:2:2, and it's the UI, which ideally would be full 4:4:4 or RGB. ... I was focussing on the 4:2:2 modes and replying to the assertion that the expansion was done "for no reason".
It is done for no reason beyond ineptitude. If your streamer UI doesn't look good in 4:2:0 or looks better in 4:2:2 than 4:2:0 that's on them (them = Amazon in this case).



Plus all the streamed content and content on disc is in 420 to begin with anyway.
This is true but I don't undertand the point you're making.
 

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Quick Qustion: Can anyone confirm they can get Disney+ 4K content to actually spit out 2160P from the Amazon FireTV Box 4K (Gen2 from 2015)?? All i'm getting is 1080P and PCM audio.

My tv is a 2015 LG 55" EG9600 (No DolbyVision).

Amazon Prime Video and Netflix 4K Content successfully gives me 2160P.

But I just cant figure out how to get Disney+ to give me 2160P.

I already did factory reset on box and updated firmware, cleared cache/data, etc.

Any thoughts or feedback? Maybe I'll try a better hdmi cable later tonight.
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I have the identical issue here on TWO Amazon Fire 2nd gen boxes. The Disney+ app won't do any better than 1080p with 2 channel PCM on either one, where the identical setup will deliver UHD and DD+ from Netflix and Prime. I think it's the Disney+ app that's borked.

On my LG OLED, the Disney+ app delivers UHD and DV, but also 2 channel PCM audio.

On my bedroom Sony 900e with the Disney+ app, I get UHD with HDR10, and DD+ audio over ARC to a Marantz 1608, just as I do with Netflix.

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I just found this group, and without reading almost 2000 posts, can someone please tell me if the Amazon 4K stick delivers full DolbyVision/HDR at UHD resolution and up to Dolby Atmos (when available) audio for Disney+, Netflix, and Prime?

The Amazon page selling the thing says it does, but I'd like to hear from an actual user that it's true. I asked the question on Amazon, and got several uninformed replies (like "The 2nd gen Fire doesn't support UHD" - it does).

So far, from what I've read, only the Apple TV 4K will deliver everything video (UHD plus DV/HDR) and full spectrum audio with Disney+ and other streaming services/apps.

Thanks.
 

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I have the identical issue here on TWO Amazon Fire 2nd gen boxes. The Disney+ app won't do any better than 1080p with 2 channel PCM on either one, where the identical setup will deliver UHD and DD+ from Netflix and Prime. I think it's the Disney+ app that's borked.

On my LG OLED, the Disney+ app delivers UHD and DV, but also 2 channel PCM audio.

On my bedroom Sony 900e with the Disney+ app, I get UHD with HDR10, and DD+ audio over ARC to a Marantz 1608, just as I do with Netflix.

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I just found this group, and without reading almost 2000 posts, can someone please tell me if the Amazon 4K stick delivers full DolbyVision/HDR at UHD resolution and up to Dolby Atmos (when available) audio for Disney+, Netflix, and Prime?

The Amazon page selling the thing says it does, but I'd like to hear from an actual user that it's true. I asked the question on Amazon, and got several uninformed replies (like "The 2nd gen Fire doesn't support UHD" - it does).

So far, from what I've read, only the Apple TV 4K will deliver everything video (UHD plus DV/HDR) and full spectrum audio with Disney+ and other streaming services/apps.

Thanks.
What tv do you have? I have an E6 OLED. If I manually force the Fire TV (in my case the Cube 2) to 2160p, I will get 4K HDR10, but not DV with Disney, because my TV does not support 4K60 DV. If I set resolution to Auto, with frame matching on, everything from Disney is at 1080p including HDR10 and DV. I don't believe Disney works properly with frame matching and Auto resolution if the tv can't support [email protected], and thus will downgrade everything to 1080p. In fact, the Netflix app does the same thing. If I want 4K from the Disney or Netflix app, I have to manually set the Fire Cube to 2160p, but then I only get HDR10. Until those apps sign on to allow frame matching through the Fire device, I won't get 4K DV. Amazon prime video on the other hand, when I set resolution to auto, and frame matching to on, I get 4K DV @24hz.

With that being said, I can not tell the difference in PQ between 1080P DV via the Disney and Netflix apps on the Fire Cube, and the 4K DV stream via the tv's internal apps. They both look exactly the same.
 

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I have the 4k Firestick and get 4k Dolby Vision with Disney+, but so far only Dolby Digital+ (no Atmos). With Netflix I get 4k Dolby Vision, but only 5.1 audio (again no Atmos). With Amazon video, I can get definitely get Atmos but not sure on Vision (I haven't gone looking for it). I know the device is capable of putting out both, as a previous side load of the Vudu app used to get me both and I can get both with the Movies Anywhere app.

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What tv do you have? I have an E6 OLED. If I manually force the Fire TV (in my case the Cube 2) to 2160p, I will get 4K HDR10, but not DV with Disney, because my TV does not support 4K60 DV. If I set resolution to Auto, with frame matching on, everything from Disney is at 1080p including HDR10 and DV. I don't believe Disney works properly with frame matching and Auto resolution if the tv can't support [email protected], and thus will downgrade everything to 1080p. In fact, the Netflix app does the same thing. If I want 4K from the Disney or Netflix app, I have to manually set the Fire Cube to 2160p, but then I only get HDR10. Until those apps sign on to allow frame matching through the Fire device, I won't get 4K DV. Amazon prime video on the other hand, when I set resolution to auto, and frame matching to on, I get 4K DV @24hz.

With that being said, I can not tell the difference in PQ between DV 1080P DV via the Disney app on the Fire Cube, and the 4K DV stream via the tv's internal app. They both look exactly the same.
I have the E6 as well. Your Fire Cube 2 is a later device than my 2nd gen FireTV (which is that 4" x 4" x 0.5" sealed box).

I don't have any of those options available. It's all done automagically, for good or bad.

But I do get UHD and DD+ on Netflix and Prime out of the two I have, where Disney+ is 1080p only, and the audio from Disney+ is 2 channel PCM only.


Also, when I launch Disney+ from the E6 app, I do get UHD with DV, but still get 2 channel PCM audio over ARC and optical.
 

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I have the 4k Firestick and get 4k Dolby Vision with Disney+, but so far only Dolby Digital+ (no Atmos). With Netflix I get 4k Dolby Vision, but only 5.1 audio (again no Atmos). With Amazon video, I can get definitely get Atmos but not sure on Vision (I haven't gone looking for it). I know the device is capable of putting out both, as a previous side load of the Vudu app used to get me both and I can get both with the Movies Anywhere app.

Thanks. That's very helpful. It's definitely a big step up from my current situation, and worth the money to try it.
 

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I saw the same results with my FireTV 4K sticks and Disney+. Dolby Vision with 5.1 DD+.

Right now the best devices I have for Disney+ playback seem to be my Rokus and Apple TVs. Since I can get Atmos from both of them. And HDR10 from the Rokus and Dolby Vision from the ATV 4Ks.

I hope they enable Atmos from the FireTv stick. Because I would prefer to use that over the ATV 4K. That way I could get DV and Atmos.
 
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