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A doorstop is a device for holding a door open. It doesn't tune in television channels. It doesn't record programming. It doesn't allow you to play recorded programming back.

That pretty much describes an HDTivo IF the cable companies decide to go SDV on all channels. Before you say it won't happen, I have not heard any cable company publicly rule this out.


Moreover, if the vast expansion of HD happens as is touted by DirecTV, many cable companies will put all of these new channels on SDV. So if the 10 or so HD channels remain as is, and the 90 or so additions over the next few years are put on SDV, we have an HDDVR that functions for about 10% of the HD programming.


Plus, I agree with timecop. No firewire = no deal.
 

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That pretty much describes an HDTivo IF the cable companies decide to go SDV on all channels. Before you say it won't happen, I have not heard any cable company publicly rule this out.


Moreover, if the vast expansion of HD happens as is touted by DirecTV, many cable companies will put all of these new channels on SDV. So if the 10 or so HD channels remain as is, and the 90 or so additions over the next few years are put on SDV, we have an HDDVR that functions for about 10% of the HD programming.


The technical term for these arguments is FUD. You can buy the product now and enjoy it for what it does best for as long as it is viable (most likely at least 1-3 years), or you can do without for year after year until your justification becomes true.


I had broadband internet service for 3 years via cable modem while others were suffering though dialup because "DSL is going to blow cable modems out of the water". I could get DSL now if I wanted, but Road Runner is still working fine for me.
 

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Tivo told reviewers of the TivoHD that they expect to have MRV and TTG out by year's end. Time will tell.

TiVo stated no specific time-frame was mentioned to reviewers of the TiVo HD for MRV and TTG.
 

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That pretty much describes an HDTivo IF the cable companies decide to go SDV on all channels. Before you say it won't happen, I have not heard any cable company publicly rule this out.

I have not heard any cable company publicly say that they would do this, so a8vdeluxe's assertion that it "is a doorstop before even hitting your local store's shelves" is outrageously erroneous. Nothing more than baseless hyperbole meant to make a petty criticism sound like Armageddon. That's really the problem. You people are talking about one of the most extreme scenarios not only as a possibility, not even as an inevitability, but as if it has already come to pass. AND you're refusing to acknowledge the possibility that a technical solution will be arrived at. Denial of reality, after denial of reality, after denial of reality. It's inane.


AND even if your cable company does go fully SDV, and there is no technical solution, the TiVo HD still does OTA.


So please stop with all the self-centered breast-beating. What you mean to say is that you don't like that the TiVo HD may not handle SDV. That's all. Any statement more extreme than that is just blowing smoke.
 

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A doorstop is a device for holding a door open. It doesn't tune in television channels. It doesn't record programming. It doesn't allow you to play recorded programming back. Saying that the TiVo HD is a doorstop is erroneous; that is just hyperbole -- an attempt to make a criticism seem more important than it really is.


Keep it real.

OK, neither device supports on demand, SDV, TiVo to go, multi room viewing, eSATA or IEEE 1394 connectivity.
 

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Yes, those are actual facts. Not that silliness about it being a doorstop. It is a pretty great DVR, actually, and spreading silliness about it being a doorstop is outrageously misleading.
 

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I'm curious though, other than a slick interface the more I read about HD TiVo's the less it seems there is to differentiate it from an 8300HDC, so why the fascination with this product?
 

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8300HDC is the right product for some people. The TiVo S3 or TiVo HD is the right product for others.


Why do some people buy Apple iMacs? They run on Intel now, so the differences from Wintel boxes are less and less. Some people just like the user interface and overall design philosophy better. It isn't necessarily something you reduce down to a feature list, rather it is the accumulation of lots of little annoyances.


On the other hand, those annoyances don't bother other people as much and TiVo will have its own issues that will bother them more.
 

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So I was looking for reviews about 8300 to see if they allowed 30 second skip to be enabled (for some people that feature alone is a deal breaker) I came across this article.
http://channels.isp.netscape.com/tec...sp?page=tivos3
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Our cable company eventually came to the rescue with the Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8000HD, soon to be replaced with the 8300HD. It was a love/hate relationship from the very beginning. The dual tuner box gave us HDTV picture quality, and TV never looked better. Only one problem, the thing was unimaginably unreliable. Out of 16 shows we recorded for the week, the machine somehow managed to record only 11 of them. I figured that we had a lemon, so I returned the 8300HD to my cable provider and got another one. Same problem, different shows. Then I exchanged the latest box for another, and another, and another. It soon became clear that there was a trend emerging. The ReplayTV got even more use as a backup device for those inevitable times when the 8300HD coughed up a furball. I decided that no matter the cost, I was going to have to find an HD DVR that was reliable and operated at least as well as our trusty little ReplayTV. I also wanted my 30 second skip back, and a more advanced program search system. I didn't have to look very far, as all the AV message boards pointed me in only one direction -- the TiVo Series 3.

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Now came the fun part: telling the TiVo which shows to record. There are several different ways to search for your favorite shows, via a program grid, through a keyword search, or you can have TiVo find programs of interest based on what you've recorded in the past. TiVo will also record a season pass of your favorite shows so you don't have to tell the unit to record them every time they're on. You can even tell TiVo to record only first run shows (no more repeats!), a great feature lacking on both my 8300HD and the Replay. To view pending recordings you have to go to the ToDo screen, which requires a couple of button presses. While this is very easy, it would be even more convenient to additionally see scheduled recordings right on the program grid. Many other DVRs put a small symbol on the grid or change the grid color to indicate a show that is to be recorded. I'm hoping that a software update from TiVo will add this capability in the future.


After a while, you'll acquire a lot of programming on your TiVo. And unlike the 8300HD, TiVo will remember your place in any show should you not finish viewing it. Simply go back to the recording and TiVo gives you the option of starting over from the beginning, or from where you left off. The Series 3 has a large 250 GB hard disk that can record about 25 hours of high definition or hundreds of hours of standard definition programming, or a combination of the two. There's also a SATA jack on the back of the unit allows you to add an external SATA drive for even more storage. Slightly puzzling is that there's no indication of the remaining space left on the hard drive. I'd settle for a little bar graph, but at least you have a deleted programs folder which will be depleted first, so you'll have some indication of how much space is left.
 

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 http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin...d.cgi?7721,1#2

And then I came across how people are trying to get 30 second skip to work.
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I have a Scientific Atlanta 8300 HD. I didn't have much luck trying to accomplish this.


The problem is that the fast forward starts slow and gets faster. The manual says that pressing the fast forward three times plays the video at 32x normal speed but creating a macro that presses the button three times, waits one second then presses play didn't result in a 32 second advance. In fact, it did almost nothing. On the other hand waiting longer (4 or 5 seconds) resulted in an advance of several minutes. While the macro is running you cannot press any other button so I would end up watching my show return from commercial break and keep on going and going and going. In the end the best I could do was create a macro that presses the fast forward three times. Then I watch and when it looks like my show is going to come back on I press play myself.


For anyone who wonders why I don't just press the button three times myself, the Pronto is slow and it almost always results in only two presses.


If anyone has actually got the duration down to a science I would love to hear about it.
 

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OK, neither device supports on demand, SDV, TiVo to go, multi room viewing, eSATA or IEEE 1394 connectivity.

Is there any dual tuner HD cable DVR out there that's $300, have all those features, and does not run cable's POS DVR softwares?
 

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I'm curious though, other than a slick interface the more I read about HD TiVo's the less it seems there is to differentiate it from an 8300HDC, so why the fascination with this product?

Nothing really, like supermodels, besides that fact that they are hot, what else do they got anyway?


Oh wait, I forgot I use TivoCast a lot, love the CNet reviews. Also love using Unbox $0.99 movie rental special on my Tivo a lot, never have to leave the couch for a movie rental. Sometimes I surf for movie listings on my Tivo. Sometime I access my iTunes library on my Tivo, sometimes I listen to one of them podCasts on my Tivo (online, not from my ow iTunes). You do all that from your 8300HDC?
 

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Is there any dual tuner HD cable DVR out there that's $300, have all those features, and does not run cable's POS DVR softwares?

This is a great deal if you also want to buy the tivo listings. If not, it costs $300 plus $100 minimum per year...not such a great deal, but not too bad if the device is good for several years...
 

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You can even tell TiVo to record only first run shows (no more repeats!), a great feature lacking on both my 8300HD and the Replay.

Not true, Replay has had 'record first run episodes only' as an option forever.
 

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Not true, Replay has had 'record first run episodes only' as an option forever.

Replay implements the feature differently. In Replay skipping repeats is purely a filter on the repeat flag provided by the guide provider.


TiVo compares the episode #s/progids to see if the show has been recorded before, even if it has been watched and deleted.


The way TiVo works, essentially they give you the option to do a theme-based recording and only record particular episodes once. If you create a theme-based record you lose the ability to even filter on the repeat flag.


I have both Replay and TiVo and the TiVo handling of repeats is more flexible and more immune to guide data errors. It is however vulnerable to shows being preempted and the guide data not being updated in time, for example if the president addresses the nation. In that case if the guide data doesn't get updated in time, it will record the president, thinking it is an episode of CSI, then when the actual episode airs a week later, it will think it is a repeat (this is the famous 28-day rule). In replay you only need to delete the bogus episode and it will record the following week.
 
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