Official Cortex VIP Cinema Thread

SOWK said:

Cortex VIP Cinemas



I recently went to CEDIA 2019 and discovered a company called Cortex VIP Cinemas at the Pro Audio Technology Sound Room (SR6). They offer something truly unique for the affluent private theater owner that standard consumer based products and companies just cannot offer. Until recently, I didn’t even know such a product was available for individuals and their families.



What makes this Cortex VIP Cinema different than a typical home theater system designer and installer?



Instead of selling and installing the typical Theta Digital, Datasat (ATI), or Trinnov they can actually install the real Dolby Cinema Processors that are used in high end commercial cinema’s like Dolby Vision theaters!



(I was told the below information from one of the Cortex VIP Cinema representatives at the show, but I have no currently known way to verify its accuracy.)



The Dolby processor on display was the Dolby CP850-C, is it a 64 channel Dolby Atmos processor that can supposedly access additional metadata on Blu-Ray or Ultra High Definition Blu-Ray disks. I was told the professional cinema Dolby Atmos metadata is still on the disks as long as the studio’s didn’t remove the metadata when creating the home Dolby Atmos mix.



Why is this important?



For compatibility and processing requirements Dolby and its production studio’s had to reduce the size, bandwidth, and total object count for the home releases by grouping many Atmos objects into just a few objects moving around the scene. As an example, they might take 118 Objects (maximum cinema object count) and cram them into 6 moving objects for the home mix!!! That’s a substantial reduction!



The Dolby Processor that Cortex VIP Cinema used at the show can read the actual cinema mix meta data from the source and process the channels as they were intended to be processed. As completely separate objects not bound to the location of other moving objects. They ran a few Atmos clips and I walked away very impressed by the actual object separation and felt they easily had the best immersive audio demonstration of CEDIA when compared to the other sound rooms normal demo clips.



Another thing the studio’s and Dolby have to do to work within the limits of our disk formats is lower the Audio bit rate to just a few Mbps, 6-7Mbit from the commercial cinema’s 90-100Mbit!



So, if you are fortunate enough to be able to also purchase a corresponding Dolby cinema server you can gain access to the day and date release of the big blockbuster movies and unlock the full 118 objects with the full audio resolution and bandwidth up to that 100Mbps!



So I just wanted to share with you something new and unique from CEDIA this year.

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SOWK said:

I thought the speaker themselves were very good, but so are JBL, Alcon, Seaton, JTR... I would classify them in that tier of products.



Pro Audio Technology is separate from Cortex VIP Cinema, they just happened to share a booth and demo room.



Unfortunately due to differences in rooms and setups it's nearly impossible for me to give you an accurate representation of the sound quality vs another brand. But what I heard and felt was very good with a lot of bass extension down into the single digits.



Even though I can't really quantitatively rate the speakers, I could tell they are high SPL capable and likely should be a option for anyone looking for premium high performance theater speakers.

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SOWK said:

Cortex VIP Cinemas

I recently went to CEDIA 2019 and discovered a company called Cortex VIP Cinemas at the Pro Audio Technology Sound Room (SR6). They offer something truly unique for the affluent private theater owner that standard consumer based products and companies just cannot offer. Until recently, I didn’t even know such a product was available for individuals and their families.

What makes this Cortex VIP Cinema different than a typical home theater system designer and installer?

Instead of selling and installing the typical Theta Digital, Datasat (ATI), or Trinnov they can actually install the real Dolby Cinema Processors that are used in high end commercial cinema’s like Dolby Vision theaters!

(I was told the below information from one of the Cortex VIP Cinema representatives at the show, but I have no currently known way to verify its accuracy.)

The Dolby processor on display was the Dolby CP850-C, is it a 64 channel Dolby Atmos processor that can supposedly access additional metadata on Blu-Ray or Ultra High Definition Blu-Ray disks. I was told the professional cinema Dolby Atmos metadata is still on the disks as long as the studio’s didn’t remove the metadata when creating the home Dolby Atmos mix.

Why is this important?

For compatibility and processing requirements Dolby and its production studio’s had to reduce the size, bandwidth, and total object count for the home releases by grouping many Atmos objects into just a few objects moving around the scene. As an example, they might take 118 Objects (maximum cinema object count) and cram them into 6 moving objects for the home mix!!! That’s a substantial reduction!

The Dolby Processor that Cortex VIP Cinema used at the show can read the actual cinema mix metadata from the source and process the channels as they were intended to be processed. As completely separate objects not bound to the location of other moving objects. They ran a few Atmos clips and I walked away very impressed by the actual object separation and felt they easily had the best immersive audio demonstration of CEDIA when compared to the other sound rooms normal demo clips.

Another thing the studio’s and Dolby have to do to work within the limits of our disk formats is lower the Audio bit rate to just a few Mbps, 6-7Mbit from the commercial cinema’s 90-100Mbit!

So, if you are fortunate enough to be able to also purchase a corresponding Dolby cinema server you can gain access to the day and date release of the big blockbuster movies and unlock the full 118 objects with the full audio resolution and bandwidth up to that 100Mbps!

So I just wanted to share with you something new and unique from CEDIA this year.

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Steve Bruzonsky said:

Regardless of the technology, the sonics did not impress me. Too loud, boomy, not for me. I was hoping for more.

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pennynike1 said:

I do wonder about the extra metadata being on the same blu ray disc as the home version, but I would love to experience 118 objects at the same time. That very concept is incredible!

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SOWK said:

Hence why I said I have no way to verify

I dont want to say it does if it doesn't, and I can't test it personally.

But I am certain the Dolby Cinema Server and movies on that will do it for sure.

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Steve Bruzonsky said:

Cinema digital movies are stored on large hard drives and have the cinema mix. Consumer blu rays have the consumer mix - period. There isn't any extra data on the consumer blu rays hidden from consumer SSPs and receivers. I think you misunderstood. I didn't hear that in their presentation at all. And its not in their literature.

I give them credit as all of their speakers at the demo were custom made angled at the MLP.

However, as I stated above, I was not impressed with the sonics of their demo at all, I was quite disappointed. Whether its me, where I was sitting (center front row you would think would sound good), the sound room and acoustic treatments, too loud, that I can't say.

And day and date movies as at the cinema cost big bucks for the components and for the movies for a several day rental:

https://uncrate.com/prima-cinema/

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SOWK said:

@Art Sonneborn


Let me know when you get it installed.

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SOWK said:

So, if you are fortunate enough to be able to also purchase a corresponding Dolby cinema server you can gain access to the day and date release of the big blockbuster movies and unlock the full 118 objects with the full audio resolution and bandwidth up to that 100Mbps!

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SOWK said:

That was a little farther down the rabbit hole than I was going to ask in detail, as this type of system is so VASTLY out of my price bracket. But I did ask some basic questions about that to them.



Cortex VIP Cinema has contacts with the distributors of such services, so they can get all that worked out for their clients.





But I know of a few other First Run Type Services too:



http://www.primacinema.com/

https://www.redcarpethomecinema.com/

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