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FOR GENERAL FAQ AND DENON SETUP HELP, PLEASE VISIT:
http:/batpigworld.com/



Denon AVR 1610 product page:
http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/4865.asp


Denon AVR 590 product page:
http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/4881.asp


AVR 1610 ($379) / AVR 590 ($349) Feature Summary:


- 5.1 channels (75W x 5) of built-in amplification

- Pre-outs to expand to 7.1; add a two-channel amp to power "rear" or "height" channels with PLIIx/z (respectively)

- full HD audio support including Dolby TrueHD + DTS-MA decoding

- 3 HDMI 1.3a inputs, 2 component video inputs (60 MHz bandwidth)

- 2 optical / 1 coaxial digital audio inputs

- Seven fully assignable video source "names" (TV, CBL/SAT, DVD, HDP, DVR, VCR, V-AUX)

- Full Audyssey suite (MultEQ + Dynamic EQ + Dynamic Volume) with adjustable reference level for Dynamic EQ

- Will convert analog video to HDMI output (and deinterlace 480i > 480p if your TV needs it) but no scaling

- OSD will show over HDMI, but will not overlay unless you are using an S-video / composite source

- 1610 adds "B" front speakers (590 only has "A" front speakers)

- New one-sided remote!!

"Trickle down" functionality/features that weren't on 589/1609 models:


- Source Delete / Rename

- Full OSD which will show up over HDMI (but no overlay)

- Video conversion up to HDMI (this is on automatically with no ability to adjust settings; 480i analog will be deinterlaced to 480p automatically if your TV doesn't accept 480i, but there is no scaling)

- Component video bandwidth up to 60MHz (will not degrade 720p/1080i signals)



OTHER FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS


Q. What is the difference between the three-digit models (e.g. AVR 590) and the four-digit models (e.g. AVR 1610)?


A: Essentially, NOTHING. Denon puts out two parallel receiver lineups, with four-digit and three-digit model numbers. The four-digit models are generally sold by high end stereo shops and custom installers, and the three-digit models are the "consumer" version sold in retail outlets like Circuit City and Fry's.


However, there is ZERO difference in terms of power, specs, sound quality, build quality, etc. between the two lines. Denon has been doing this for years, it is exactly analagous to the Yamaha HTR and RX-V parallel receiver lines.


There will usually be one or two minor differences to differentiate the three-digit and four-digit models. There is typically a slight cosmetic difference between the two lines, and different remotes.


In the specific case of the 1610 vs. 590, the only differences (besides the cosmetics) is that the 1610 has A/B speaker switching, whereas the 590 only has "A" front speakers

In all other respects, the 1610 and 590 are IDENTICAL.


For more info, please see the Denon Model Numbers page at batpigworld:
http://batpigworld.com/models.html


Q. What do I gain from stepping up to the 1910/790, as opposed to just buying the lower-priced AVR 1610/590 model?


A: The 1610 (aka 590) is a very full-featured entry level model that will be sufficient for most people. It has 3 HDMI inputs, full HD audio decoding, analog > digital video conversion (so you can run one HDMI cable to your TV for all sources), and the full "Audyssey suite" of MultEQ + Dynamic EQ + Dynamic Volume. The 1910 / 790 is very similar and built on the same platform / chassis. They have similar amp sections, identical processing and DAC's, etc.


The following are the "step up" features you gain from going to 1910 (aka 790):


1. The 1910 is a full 7.1 receiver. The 1610/590 is a 5.1 receiver (5 amps built in) but can be expanded to 7.1 using the "Rear/Height" pre-outs to add an external amplifier. You have your choice of 7.1 expansion methods, either PLIIx (standard 7.1 with 2 "rear" channels) or PLIIz (5.1 + 2 "height" channels).


2. The 1910 has a 4th HDMI input, and adds an extra coaxial digital audio input


3. The 1910 is spec'd for more power, 90W x 7


4. The 1910 has full video scaling, of both analog and digital video, up to 1080p, and these video settings are adjustable by input. The 1610 has no scaling, and no adjustable settings; it simply automatically converts analog video to digital. Everything else goes out at the same resolution it came in (unless your TV doesn't accept 480i over HDMI, in which case the signal is deinterlaced 480i>480p)


5. The 1910 has 2-zone/2-source capability (no multizone on 1610), and the 1910 (not 790, see above) has a "room to room" remote control jack for wired control from Zone 2.


6. The 1910 has extra inputs: a Sirius input jack, a "CD" analog input, and 7.1 multichannel analog inputs


7. The 1910 has two switched power outlets on the back
 

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My 1610 is on the UPS truck for delivery today, I can't wait! AFAIK, I'll be the first on the forum to have one.


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When you do get it. Can you please measure its height with and without feet?

I think the specifications on the US denon web-site is wrong.

Thanks in advance.
 

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First off, I have a Frenchie, so I love the Frenchie on your site. Secondly, will the 590/1610 pass audio and video over HDMi or just video like last year's models did? IF you mentioned it in your breif synopsis of the model and I misread, I apologize. Regardless, this inof would b helpful. Thanks.
 

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yes, the entire 2010 Denon line has full HD audio support. I added this to the first post to be clear.
 

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Just got my 1610 yesterday and got a chance to set it up.

I decided to wing it on the setup, then check myself against batpig's guide -- great info in there, thanks a lot!


Can anyone else confirm that when the receiver is in standby, even with HDMI control on, you get video passed through to your tv but no audio?
 

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both video + audio should pass through in Standby when HDMI Control is set to "on". Only will work with HDMI sources though.
 

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Thanks for the quick response, batpig. I went back and have been testing for the last hour.

Wacky things seem to happen with my digital cable dvr box (motorola dch6416), connected to the receiver and then my Samsung A550 lcd. Xbox and PS3 work fine going through without the receiver on.


I keep audio if I turn off the 1610 after already having cable box/tv up and synced, but if the receiver is off when either the tv or cable box is power cycled, I get weird results depending on the order of power up of the two devices (once or twice got the "your hdmi repeater is not protecting the signal and we're not gonna send video" from the dvr).

Tried turning off ANYNET on the A550, but it didn't help. I like leaving anynet on, so my harmony when in tv mode will control the receiver volume. I know I can just remove the buttons/move them around, but my family is used to using the soft buttons I put on the screen for volume/channel



Not a big deal. I really like the receiver. Maybe I'll start complaining to my cable company and see if they have anything newer (that hopefully doesn't run at 1000 degrees all day long, even when off
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hmmm, sounds like some funny handshake issue between the cable box and TV. did you ever get this issue running HDMI straight to the TV from the cable box?


definitely check to see if there is a firmware update for your TV and your cable box, and also see if the cable company will swap out the box for something newer. unsurprisingly, the crappy box the cable company "loans" you isn't built to the most exacting standards
 

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I just got a 1610 from amazon to try to fix the HDMI problems I'm having with an Onkyo tx-sr507 I am having. We'll see what works.

What problem are you having with the SR507? I am debating whether to get a Onkyo or Denon specifically either this model 16010/590 or the SR507. Please let us know how things go with the 1610 and the SR 507. Looking forward for a good review.
 

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What problem are you having with the SR507? I am debating whether to get a Onkyo or Denon specifically either this model 16010/590 or the SR507. Please let us know how things go with the 1610 and the SR 507. Looking forward for a good review.

More info Here , but the gist is that I can't a Tivo series3 to pass any video or audio through the receiver. It looks like it can see the signal because the HDMI light comes on, but nothing on the TV. Directly connected the Tivo to the TV and everything works right.
 

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When you do get it. Can you please measure its height with and without feet?

I think the specifications on the US denon web-site is wrong.

Thanks in advance.

6 3/4" - 6 7/8" with feet (closer to 3/4).

I can't take the feet off, but in the cabinet, the feet are showing me about 5/8" tall.
 

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So there's no way to defeat the 480i to 480p thing? I'd rather it leave it alone so I can let my Panny plasma do 480i and use its own non-linear stretch mode (pretty sure I can apply it to any resolution though, so it should be OK).
 

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So there's no way to defeat the 480i to 480p thing? I'd rather it leave it alone so I can let my Panny plasma do 480i and use its own non-linear stretch mode (pretty sure I can apply it to any resolution though, so it should be OK).

Oh crap, what's the story behind this? I'm on the fence between 1610 and 1910 and this conversion seems like the big difference... is this going to be an issue? What's your source?
 

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Oh crap, what's the story behind this? I'm on the fence between 1610 and 1910 and this conversion seems like the big difference... is this going to be an issue? What's your source?

I'm intending to use component from my Motorola DVR since HDMI isn't 100% perfect with it. It sends the SD signals through as 480i so I can let my plasma handle the aspect ratio.


Apparently the 1610 always deinterlaces 480i signals? The user manual in incredibly vauge.
 

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it's a non-defeatable 480i>p deinterlace. there are NO adjustible options for video conversion.


the 480i/p deinterlace is actually a GOOD thing. many TV's either don't accept 480i over HDMI and/or don't do a good job with SD processing. Scaling 480p > 1080p is a much easier process that any TV can do well; I'm confident the Denon will do a good job at 480i/p.


it won't affect your aspect ratio choices with your Panny plasma -- it will still "see" the 480p input as an SD channel and automatically apply your favorite stretch mode. With my Panny plasma I set my video conversion (with Denon 789) for 480i>p only, with HD channels left untouched, so the Panny recognizes and stretches the SD channels.
 
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