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Man, I demoed the 1910 against the 3808ci tonight at Best Buy (Magnolia), and the 1910 stacks up really well. I think the 3808ci may sound a little better, but to my ears it wasn't night and day. I like some of the added features of the 3808ci, but I'm really on the fence as to whether it's worth twice the price to get the 3808ci. It seems like the 1910 is a really solid contender and a great value. If anyone else has done a similar A/B between the 1910 and 3808, I'd certainly love opinions.

bk, it's nice to hear that the 1910 performed so well. But unless there has been a huge secret SQ breakthrough over the 1909, the question is why didn't the 3808 show its SQ superiority more clearly? Certainly there are demos and there are demos; many factors come into play. Two that come to mind in this instance are:


1. What speakers were used? Were the speakers the same as yours and were they capable enough to display what the 3808 can do?


2. Was room EQ used for either AVR and were all other factors equal?


I A/B'd open box 789/1909 vs 988/2808ci in my home. I did Audyssey setup on each and used the same familiar music sources. That's probably the best A/B demo on these sophisticated AVR's with room EQ, BTW. I have decent Polk RT800i towers ($1000/pr), and I heard obvious, significant SQ differences. Now the 789 sounded WAY better than my older Sony AVR and was a great value in itself, especially with that newfangled DynEQ. However I couldn't sacrifice the 988's better detail & clarity, punchy clean bass, ability to stay clean (no clipping) at volume, etc, so I kept it and the 789 went back. But as soon as a killer deal came along on a 2809ci, I upgraded to get those great DynEQ/DynVol features. Personally I wasn't sure whether my Polks were capable enough to showcase the even higher SQ the 3 series offers, and I didn't need all that GUI & internet connectivity stuff so my value price point was the 2809, with MultEQ XT and DynEQ (along with other SQ goodies).


The task you have, as you know, is to match your speakers to your amp cost/quality wise for best value, and to consider the feature sets as well. As for the SQ part: consider what speakers you have, how big your HT room is, and whether critical 2 Ch listening is a priority. I hope this is of some help.
 

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+1

The 3808 will offer far more functionality and connectivity than will the 1910 in addition to it's much improved sound quality. However, if the 1910 meets all the needs of the OP, then there's roughly $600 that can be put towards better speakers and a Harmony remote!

Good point, jd. A Harmony, maybe a BRP. But if he gets better speakers we'll make him reevaluate the AVR!
 

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Either a BRP or even upgrading to a HD DVR.

Absolutely, I just don't get having a HT but not spending the bucks on a HD cable box. And HDDVR is such a time saver! No commercials!
 

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I picked up a 1910 for $508 incl. tax last night at Best Buy, after 10% coupon and $20 in Reward Zone Certs, but have yet to hook it up.


It's replacing my tried and true Denon 3803, because I'm sick of not having Volume Stabilization, and it's time I've moved into HDMI switching.


I'm running Paradigm Monitor 5 fronts and center, along with a Paradigm sub and rear surrounds, so I'll post some impressions in the next few days.


One thing I will say, as many others have said, is that the remote looks like it blows, and I haven't even used it yet. I don't care, as I'll be using a Harmony 99% of the time after the initial setup, but damn, has Denon ever made a remote worth anything at all?


Also, I'm not entirely sure that the S-Video input is iPod dock only - the book is vague on it, but the menu has options to assign it, so I don't know. I'll try it out, as I need to hook my Sega Dreamcast to it anyways. (yes, I still play it)
 

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My AVR-1910 setup experience.


Lurk on the Any word from Denon about the 2009 - 2010 AVRs - AVS Forum

Keep hitting refresh on the Denon Authorized On-line Dealers

Forum says manuals are on-line - download and print

Hmmm.. batpig was right - manual sux

Woo-hoo 1st one ListenUp available for pre-order - pulled the trigger 5/22

Start reading all the goodies on batpigworld

OFFICIAL Denon AVR 1910-790 Owner's Thread - AVS Forum - more reading

Email from ListenUp 5/27 - Your order has shipped

Ordered banana plugs and a couple of HDMI cables from monoprice

It's here
5/29 - too busy with work


Stop by Warner and swap for an HD set top with HDMI instead of DVI

Finally a weekend to play 6/6 - start pulling old stuff

Re-terminate speaker cables with banana plugs

Plug everything together HDMI from set top and PS3 to the 1910

HDMI to DVI input on Sony KV34HS510

Fire up everything and try Cable - picture but no sound - darn

Try PS3 - picture but no sound - double darn

More reading - buried on Page 13 of Denon manual

Note - No sound is output when connected to a device equipped with a DVI-D terminal. Also make the audio connections. Stupid TV.

Quick trip to the store for Optical Digital Audio cables.

Re-assign inputs and finally picture and sound from Cable and PS3

HD channels on Cable look OK - SD channels only fill 1/3 of the middle of the screen on the Sony. Stupid TV.

Pull the HDMI from the Cable Box and replace with Component cables to the 1910 - SD channels now fill the screen. Stupid TV.

Now - off to make a stand for the Audyssey set-up microphone.

Stay tuned.
 

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Alright, it's time for me to get a new AVR. I had my eye on the 1909, but then the 1910 came out. Anything else comparable in this range besides the Onkyo 607?
 

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bk, it's nice to hear that the 1910 performed so well. But unless there has been a huge secret SQ breakthrough over the 1909, the question is why didn't the 3808 show its SQ superiority more clearly? Certainly there are demos and there are demos; many factors come into play. Two that come to mind in this instance are:


1. What speakers were used? Were the speakers the same as yours and were they capable enough to display what the 3808 can do?


2. Was room EQ used for either AVR and were all other factors equal?


I A/B'd open box 789/1909 vs 988/2808ci in my home. I did Audyssey setup on each and used the same familiar music sources. That's probably the best A/B demo on these sophisticated AVR's with room EQ, BTW. I have decent Polk RT800i towers ($1000/pr), and I heard obvious, significant SQ differences. Now the 789 sounded WAY better than my older Sony AVR and was a great value in itself, especially with that newfangled DynEQ. However I couldn't sacrifice the 988's better detail & clarity, punchy clean bass, ability to stay clean (no clipping) at volume, etc, so I kept it and the 789 went back. But as soon as a killer deal came along on a 2809ci, I upgraded to get those great DynEQ/DynVol features. Personally I wasn't sure whether my Polks were capable enough to showcase the even higher SQ the 3 series offers, and I didn't need all that GUI & internet connectivity stuff so my value price point was the 2809, with MultEQ XT and DynEQ (along with other SQ goodies).


The task you have, as you know, is to match your speakers to your amp cost/quality wise for best value, and to consider the feature sets as well. As for the SQ part: consider what speakers you have, how big your HT room is, and whether critical 2 Ch listening is a priority. I hope this is of some help.

Very good advice. I'm sure it's safe to assume Audyssey wasn't used on either receiver in the BB Magnolia room. I wasn't using my speakers (Boston Acoustics bookshelf, which will probably be upgraded sooner or later), but I tried it with both the DefTech bookshelves they had as well as DefTech BP floorstanding speakers I'm considering.


I *did* hear a difference between the 3808 and the 1910, but my point was that to me, it was close enough to make me question whether it's worth an extra $600 or so. Right after switching to the 3808, sure, I heard brighter sound with more clarity, better separation, etc. But switching back to the 1910, it was easy to forget the difference after 30 seconds of listening. I'm not doubting that properly configured in a room, the difference might be even more noticeable, especially with MultiEQ XT over regular MultiEQ. But I think to a lot of users, they could take the 1910 home, run its setup, and be very happy with it. What I think is remarkable about the 1910 is that it now has many of the key features that used to be at a premium level, and sound quality that stacks up well to much higher end units. I'm not saying it matches the higher end units -- just that looking at price/performance, it stacks up well.


If price were no object, of course the 3808 would be better. And while there's no question that the price drop on the 3808 makes it a great value for what it is, it's still a lot more than the 1910. In my case, even though I technically could afford to do the 3808 and still upgrade my speakers (already got the Harmony
), I think it's still worth considering whether the 1910 meets my needs. I may still go with the 3808, but for the money, I think Denon's really put out a solid offering in the 1910 that will do everything most people would really need.
 

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So last year I did a comparo in my A/V room between the 988 which was on closeout for a good price at the time, the onkyo 606, and the yamaha 663. I ended up keeping the 663 and returned the other 2. I've gotten the itch to buy lately, and was gonna get a killer deal on the pioneer elite sc05, but the wife put an end to that. The 1910 has really caught my eye and is more in the price range to where I won't have to sleep on the couch (thanks onecall and 6ave). Anyway, my question is does anyone have an idea of how it stacks up to my 663 sound quality wise? Anyone have experience with both yamaha and denon? To my ears after setup both the 988 and 663 sounded virtually identical. I like the idea of the dynamic eq which was on the 606 onk I tested and the extra hdmi's vs my yammy's 2. But the 1910 is a couple pounds lighter and most of the denon's I have looked at seem like you have to hit 3/4 volume before you get any quality sound from them. I am running a Jamo surround setup that I purchased several years back before they got bought out by klipsch when they were still made in denmark. They are wall mounts with a 4in driver and separate tweeter rated at 100w. I have a larger center with 4 drivers and a silk tweeter. 150w powered sub. All 6ohm. (Can't do floor standing because of 2 small kids and 1 large dog!) I know it's not high end but it sounds very nice to me and build quality seems much better than the run of the mill stuff at the local BB. Is it worth the upgrade or am I better off just getting an HDMI switch from oppo and calling it done. Any insight is appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 

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Picked one up in Vancouver Canada yesterday for $625.


setup was really confusing (there was no option for audyssey auto set up), but only because I had plugged in my headphones to the front when reconnecting everything. on my old 1802, I could do that and turn on the HP output only when turning speakers off.


Otherwise, everything else seemed ok.


Happy so far, but need to get more hdmi cables asap.
 

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Difficult to compare without having the same SD source component and HDTV as many DVD players already upscale to 1080p as well as many HDTV's already upscale to 1080p too. If video quality is important, you'd be much better served upgrading to a HD cable/satellite box and then you not only get true 1080i/p video, but also introduce yet another source that can upscale SD channels to 1080i.

I'm also interested in upscaling/deinterlacing performance. A DVD player can almost always be set to not upscale which can be good for testing purposes.

Upsclaing performance is interesting when you don't have the HD cable/satellite box choice (depending on where you live) and the TV you're looking to buy (new panasonic plasma) doesn't scale/deinterlace very well...

So if anyone can say something about upscaling/deinterlacing, I'd be very gratefull.

And also if someone could measure the height of the 1910 with and without the feet.
 

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(new panasonic plasma) doesn't scale/deinterlace very well...

Better look into this some more because the Panasonic plasmas are indeed among the best at this by most accounts.
 

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Better look into this some more because the Panasonic plasmas are indeed among the best at this by most accounts.

This might touch being off-topic...

I've looked quite a bit into this.

Reviews.

G10: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...0090415146.htm

V10: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...0090602153.htm

V10 is better but I'm in the need of using component signals feeding 576i from my source which even the V10 doesn't handle very well.


Therefore, I'm in the need of a receiver that primarly (besides handling audio of course) does a good job deinterlacing. But a good scaler would be nice as well.


So that's why I'm asking, is the Denon 1910 good at deinterlacing/scaling?

Better than the 1909?
 

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... I tried it with both the DefTech bookshelves they had as well as DefTech BP floorstanding speakers I'm considering...

I *did* hear a difference between the 3808 and the 1910, but my point was that to me, it was close enough to make me question whether it's worth an extra $600 or so...What I think is remarkable about the 1910 is that it now has many of the key features that used to be at a premium level, and sound quality that stacks up well to much higher end units. I'm not saying it matches the higher end units -- just that looking at price/performance, it stacks up well....I may still go with the 3808, but for the money, I think Denon's really put out a solid offering in the 1910 that will do everything most people would really need.

Very good points and I agree with you. You're obviously doing your homework and thinking this through. You do get a lot for your $ with either model. What Def Techs are under consideration? If you're looking at Mythos then I gotta vote for 3808! Wait, who says I get a vote?
 

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This might touch being off-topic...

I've looked quite a bit into this.

Reviews.

G10: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...0090415146.htm

V10: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...0090602153.htm

V10 is better but I'm in the need of using component signals feeding 576i from my source which even the V10 doesn't handle very well.


Therefore, I'm in the need of a receiver that primarly (besides handling audio of course) does a good job deinterlacing. But a good scaler would be nice as well.


So that's why I'm asking, is the Denon 1910 good at deinterlacing/scaling?

Better than the 1909?

Ah, first mention I saw of 576i. Yes the 1910 would be considerably better in general. Perhaps you could research the ABT chip specifically for 576i. They certainly work well in the standalone DVDO video processors but it could be a while before someone reports on a 1910, 576i, Panasonic plasma combination here.
 

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Ah, first mention I saw of 576i. Yes the 1910 would be considerably better in general. Perhaps you could research the ABT chip specifically for 576i. They certainly work well in the standalone DVDO video processors but it could be a while before someone reports on a 1910, 576i, Panasonic plasma combination here.

Do you know which ABT chip is in the 1910? And is it considered better than the Faroudja chip in the 1909?


Also, height measurements anyone?
 

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You'll have to look that one up. Yes all ABT is better than Faroudja.
 

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I know this is a 1910 thread but I have a question about the OP in regards to the 1610.


The original post states:


"The 1610 has no scaling, and no adjustable settings; it simply automatically converts analog video to digital, and deinterlaces 480i > 480p when doing so. Everything else goes out at the same resolution it came in."


So if I feed the 1610 a 1080i/720 component signal from the xbox 360 will it convert to a 1080i/720p HDMI signal? Batpig do you know? Thanks!
 
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