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Since the 2011 Player was never manufactured.. its time for a new thread




Some info from British site


Denon have announced a new Blu-ray player, the DBP-2012UD, which in typical Denon fashion is labeled as a mid-range player, despite its £749 price tag in the UK. It promises to offer their usual high quality picture and audio.


The new Blu-ray player supports 3D discs, DVD, SACD and CD, plus it can playback DivX files via its USB port, and has DLNA support for wireless playback from a compatible device or network. On the audio front, you'll find 7.1 analogue outputs on the rear and it'll decode Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio too.


Inside, a handy 1GB of memory can be used for BD-Live features, while Anchor Bay's video processing technology and a high quality 192Khz/32-bit digital to analogue converter take care of the visual and audio department. Joining the analogue audio connectors on the rear panel is an RS232 port and a single v1.4 HDMI socket.


The DBP-2012UD really replaces the DBP-2010UD, as according to WhatHiF, ithe scheduled 2011UD never quite made it to market after it was announced last year. You'll be able to choose between a silver or black machine, and it goes on sale in March.
 

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Attention forum moderators can you please change the title to include the correct model number ? DBP-2012UD (Not BDP)



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Thanks for starting this thread tn001d. Do you know why this model is only available at B&H Photo and not listed on the Denon website? Crutchfield used to have a preorder on the 2011, but now the only model on their website is the 1611.
 

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The model is also listed on J and R's website. They even have a great price listed ;-)


It appears the foreign models will not support netflix, but i can only assume the US model will, althougth i can't confirm that either.
 

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The model is also listed on J and R's website. They even have a great price listed ;-)


It appears the foreign models will not support netflix, but i can only assume the US model will, althought i can confirm that either.

There is some weirdness on the JR site with regards to the 2012 though. You can't find it on the site by the model number, and when the player is brought up it is listed as a generic Denon Blu Ray Player that is out of stock.


This and the lack of info on the Denon website make me wonder if it is actually available.


I have to wait a few months to order one anyway, but this product launch is just strange.
 

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While the DBP-2012 looks to be a pretty good unit, I hope they make a reference model DBP-4012 that included dual HDMI out and an integrated wireless receiver.
 

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Just placed my order for the DBP-2012 through JR and should have it in a week or or two. Even though JR shows the 2012 as "out of stock" on their website, you can place a special order for it over the phone with them.


Other than the lack of Denon Link, everything seems better on paper with the 2012 than the higher priced 4010. Newer video processor, 32 bit DACs, USB port on the front, 3D capable, etc.


Hopefully it isn't too slow on load up and more reliable than past Denon player's I've owned.
 

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Just placed my order for the DBP-2012 through JR and should have it in a week or or two. Even though JR shows the 2012 as "out of stock" on their website, you can place a special order for it over the phone with them.


Other than the lack of Denon Link, everything seems better on paper with the 2012 than the higher priced 4010. Newer video processor, 32 bit DACs, USB port on the front, 3D capable, etc.


Hopefully it isn't too slow on load up and more reliable than past Denon player's I've owned.

Nice find on the JR site guys. ^! Please keep us posted on your thoughts/opinions. Would love to hear what you think of PQ SQ load times etc...
 

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Did anyone ever resolve what the PCM output is for SACD on new-generation Denon/Marantz players? I swear, if Denon keeps downconverting DSD to 16/44.1, then I'm getting another Oppo (BDP-95).


So tell me it's OK ...
 

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Did anyone ever resolve what the PCM output is for SACD on new-generation Denon/Marantz players? I swear, if Denon keeps downconverting DSD to 16/44.1, then I'm getting another Oppo (BDP-95).


So tell me it's OK ...

I guess I should have read the fine print more closely (regarding SACD). Since it seems that Denon has only passed full-bandwidth DSD through the Denon Link connection in the past, and since the 2012 doesn't have Denon Link, my guess is that SACD will be down-rezed again with this player. Thankfully for me, my SACD collection is small enough that I really don't care. I've since moved onto hi-rez music downloads.
 

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I guess I should have read the fine print more closely (regarding SACD). Since it seems that Denon has only passed full-bandwidth DSD through the Denon Link connection in the past, and since the 2012 doesn't have Denon Link, my guess is that SACD will be down-rezed again with this player.
I suspect the same, but I don't really know. It's shameful, though, when we consider that the Oppo BDP-83 outputs 24/88.2, and it came out almost two years ago!
 

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I suspect the same, but I don't really know. It's shameful, though, when we consider that the Oppo BDP-83 outputs 24/88.2, and it came out almost two years ago!
I agree. Denon could easily do better and given that the competition does so adds insult to injury.
 

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The BDP-2012UD has no AL24 processing, no bass management/speaker size or crossover settings (fixed 80hz crossover). Just a stripped down model meant to compete with Oppo, at a lower price point and value than other Denon BDP's! It compares to the Oppo 83SE in features!
 

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Does anyone know if all the audio outputs are active at the same time on the 2012?



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I guess I should have read the fine print more closely (regarding SACD). Since it seems that Denon has only passed full-bandwidth DSD through the Denon Link connection in the past, and since the 2012 doesn't have Denon Link, my guess is that SACD will be down-rezed again with this player. Thankfully for me, my SACD collection is small enough that I really don't care. I've since moved onto hi-rez music downloads.

The specs for the DBP-2012UD include:

HDMI-output (HDCP) - (Version 1.4a)

- Digital Video (HDCP)

- Digital Audio - (SD-/HD-Bitstream / 2ch PCM / 8ch PCM / DSD)


The manual states that the receiver has to support DSD in order for the player to send it. So... testing will be required but it seems like it will do it.
 

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Does anyone know if all the audio outputs are active at the same time on the 2012?



Willie

With every Denon player I've ever owned this has been the case, unless you intentionally turn off the HDMI output.
 
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