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The brilliant HDR-compatible home theater projector with 4K Enhancementb.

Offering exceptional color performance, the Home Cinema 5040UB delivers immersive experiences. Featuring 4K Enhancement Technology, this brilliant home theater projector supports 4K streaming devices and Ultra HD Blu-ray content. It's also compatible with High Dynamic Range (HDR) content, displaying an extraordinary range of brightness levels with deep, dramatic blacks. Delivering 2,500 lumens of color brightness and 2,500 lumens of white brightness, the 5040UB is ideal for a variety of rooms. Its expansive color gamut displays the entire sRGB and DCI color spaces3. A 1,000,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio ensures rich detail in both bright and dark scenes, while its 16-piece glass lens achieves stunning clarity.





Up to 3x Brighter Colors with Epson*

Brilliant image quality requires high color brightness. Epson 3LCD projectors have up to 3x Brighter Colors than leading competitive projectors.* Delivering 2500 lumens of color brightness and 2500 lumens of white brightness, the PowerLite Home Cinema 5040UB uses 3LCD, 3-chip technology for brilliant images with true-to-life color.



Model:V11H71302



Projection System:Epson 3LCD, 3-chip optical engine



Native Resolution:1080p (1920 x 1080) with 4K enhancement



Color Brightness:2500 lumens



White Brightness:2500 lumens



Product Guides & Additional Information:

http://m.epson.com/alf_upload/pdfs/projectors/brochure_5040UB_specs.pdf







Key Features



Bright and Colorful



Features 2500 lumens of color brightness (color light output)1 and 2500 lumens of white brightness (white light output)1





4K Enhancement Technology



Epson's 4K Enhancement Technology delivers astonishing picture quality — every subtle intricacy is captured.





Contrast Ratio

Up to 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio


Lens Shift

Equipped with horizontal and vertical lens shift, to help configure projector setup

1080p

Supports full HD 1080p resolution

3-Dimensional Picture

2D & 3D Full HD technology puts you right in the middle of exciting, lifelike adventures, and Bright 3D Drive allows for bright, 3D projection.



4K Enhancement Technology— accepts 4K input and supports HDCP 2.2 for truly immersive scenes with 4K content

HDR compatible — enjoy HDR content, with an extremely wide range of brightness levels for images bursting with real-life color

Bright — ideal for a variety of lighting conditions.

The Home Cinema 5040UB has:

Color Brightness: 2500 lumens2

White Brightness: 2500 lumens2

Expansive color gamut — get brilliant, color-rich performance that displays the entire sRGB color space, plus DCI in Digital Cinema Mode

Dramatic Ultra Black levels — an improved iris design delivers up to a 1,000,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio

Remarkable new cinema lens — designed and manufactured in Japan, it features a 16-piece glass structure optimized for 4K performance and precision

Epson Image Enhancement Technology — features Super-resolution and improved Detail Enhancement to sharpen and refine images for lifelike smoothness and clarity

Powered lens position memory — preset up to 10 positions for motorized focus, zoom and lens shift; features 2.1x zoom and ultra wide lens shift

Outstanding service — 2-year limited warranty and toll-free support



Eco Features

RoHS compliant

Recyclable product4

Epson America, Inc. is a SmartWay[emoji769] Transport Partner5





For more information on Epson's environmental programs, go to www.epson.com/environment





****TIPS****

Manually Setting HDR
Menu -> Signal -> Advanced



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*****KNOWN ISSUES*****



From Epson regarding the HDR issue:



Epson is aware of this, and so far the testing has shown only one manufactures (Philips) where it does do the HDR. There has been a request to the engineers for a fix.





The Samsung UBD-8500 does not pass 10 or 12bit, and only Rec709. Waiting on firmware update.

Kpump is also reporting that the Epson does not detect HDR from the shield after trying several cables.

Looks like the Philips player is the only player that provides HDR to the Epson at this time.


Member Ix reports being able to stream in HDR on Nvidia device. I do not have the latest Panasonic UHD player to report on that.


Thanks to cnorth12
Samsung player has HDR streaming through Amazon App.

No Netflix HDR as of yet. Firmware update supposedly anytime, but who knows?

Philips has only 2 apps, Netflix and Youtube no HDR.

Xbox One S offers Netflix HDR streaming but that's it and of course the 4k blu-ray player that comes built in




From wbcollegekid
I spoke to one of the senior technical gurus at Epson. Several days ago I alerted them to the fact that the Samsung UBD-8500 was not passing 10 or 12bit, and only Rec709. The guy who I spoke to today said because of that they went and purchased the Xbox One S, Samsung, and Phillips. As I stated yesterday, and now confirmed by Epson, the Phillips is the only player capable of doing 10/12bit. The Rec.2020 is only a container for the P3 color space. The Epson cannot natively do Rec.2020. When the Epson receives HDR, it converts it to the HDR2 preset, which is for P3 color space for the Digital Cinema setting. However, manually switching to HDR1 preset in Bright Cinema mode gives you P3 color space. Bright Cinema mode is best for HDR.The partial 12bit in the manual refers to it dithering 10bit signal to 12bit. Many current TVs that advertise HDR are 8bit that dither to 10bit. All in all, I am very happy with the capabilities of this projector

So here's my latest crack at trying to sum up compatibility between the Epsons and various devices. This isn't perfect. Please post corrections with supporting pictures or documentation. If we can get this close to correct, maybe it can be stickied somewhere.

Source for some of this info: http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/uhd-101-v2/

Baseline info:
• The HDMI chipset within the Epson has a bandwidth limitation of 10 Gbps
• There are limitations to the signal that the Epson can accept due to this chipset
• 4k Blu-rays are encoded as 4k24 / 4:2:0 / 8-bit Rec709 (non HDR) or 10-bit Rec2020 (HDR10) neither of which are supported by the HDMI 2.0 specification
• Some form of signal conversion must occur in order for any device using HDMI 2.0 to accept a 4K Blu-ray signal
• The signal transmitted by the device must fall within the Epson’s 10Gbs HDMI chipset limitation for it to be displayed on the projector


Samsung K8500 4K Blu-ray Player & Xbox One S
• Both convert Blu-rays to 4k24 / 4:4:4 / 8-bit Rec709 which Epson can support
• HDR movies with Rec2020 color are reduced to Rec709, so HDR is stripped
• The resulting image for HDR movies generally appears too dark on the Epson
Phillips, Panasonic, Oppo (hopefully)
• Each convert the signal to 4k24 / 4:4:4 / 8-bit Rec 709 which the Epson supports
• HDR movies with Rec 2020 color are converted to 4k24 / 4:2:2 / 12-bit Rec2020 which the Epson supports
• The resulting image generally appears appropriate other than the Epson not having enough lumens to display HDR as intended
Fury & Oppo (hopefully)
• Both send an Epson compatible signal, but have the ability to strip HDR, while leaving the expanded Rec2020 color intact for those who feel the Epson is too dark for HDR
Roku Ultra (4K)
• Sends 4k24 / 4:4:4 / 8-bit Rec709 which is supported by Epson
• HDR movies with Rec2020 color are reduced to Rec709, so HDR is stripped (despite the screen showing 8-bit HDR BT2020, HDR BT2020 requires at least 10-bit color – is Rec2020 color really being preserved here? )
Amazon Fire Stick
• HDR signal is downgraded to 4k / Rec709
YouTube
• YouTube 4k videos are natively up to 4k60 / 4:2:0 / 8-bit
• If your player can send that native signal, the Epson can handle it
• Players that send the signal properly include: ????
Netflix
• Netflix’s 4k videos are natively ?????
• If your player can send that native signal, the Epson can handle it
• Players that send the signal properly include: ????
Gaming (PCs, 4k games on PS4 Pro & Xbox Scorpio)
• The Epson’s HDMI chipset (10 GBPS limitation) will only accept 4k60 at 4:2:0 / 8-bit color
• It is unknown whether these gaming devices will send 4k signals in this format. If for example they send the signal as 4k60 / 4:4:4 / 10-bit, the signal will fail or be downgraded to 4k60 / 4:2:0 / 8-bit color
• Either way, 4:4:4 will get downgraded to 4:2:0 and/or color will be downgraded to 8-bit (non-HDR) assuming the source was HDR to begin with
Future video devices:
• High Frame Rate (HFR) 4k Blu-ray will display with nothing higher than 8-bit color on the Epson
• If a future format support 4:4:4, color can be no higher than 8-bit for it to work on the Epson
• Dolby Vision’s goal is to be 12-bit color. This should work with the Epson, assuming the player can send the signal as 4:2:2​
 
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#13,201 ·
What or whose settings are you guys using for regular cable/Blu-ray and 4K/HDR viewing? Thanks
Not sure if my answer relates to what you are looking for, I adjusted my proj settings with mix of HarperVison (digital Cinema) + Oledurt (Bright Cinema) (Harper Vision and Oledurt are members of this forum who posted their calibrated settings)
 
#13,202 ·
Hi all,

New member here, but I have something to contribute here.
I noticed a lot of people complaining about poor 3D performance, especially 3D ghosting and crosstalk with he Epson TW 9300/5040ub/6040ub.
I had severe ghosting with my Epson TW9300. I couldn't adjust the settings to get a good 3D picture using the screen size and 3D depth. Either the front of the image was perfect, but then the back was a big mess and vise versa. It drove me nuts for months.
Yesterday, just before sending the projector in for warranty I finally found what was causing these problems, and I havent seen this mentioned here before.

Its the IRIS! If the iris is on in 3D playback it causes severe 3D ghosting/crosstalk.

When i turned the iris off, all the ghosting/crosstalk was gone. Blu Rays like Rogue One, who were unwatchable before now played back in amazing image quality.
No ghosting whatsoever. The 3D performance is jaw dropping good.

In 3D, just switch off the iris and see what happens!
Thanks @Lennaert, after just stopping to watch any 3D, I can finally re-start enjoying them. Turning off iris in 3D works for me, at least where 3D is watchable & not a horrible crosstalk / ghosting mess! I had even bought a brand new unit, which also suffered from the same problem. This was just to rule out that my current 5040UB unit wasn't the issue.

Tried a BenQ HT2550, which has a big 3D problem of its own. I flagged the issue & now BenQ is fixing via f/w & a new circuit board before re-shipping. W/3D for me now w/iris off on 5040UB, it's so much better, I may stick w/it vs. re-buying BenQ or Optoma UHD51A. Did want to say, I still see minor crosstalk / ghosting w/5040UB, but overall it's a better PJ (shaprness, contrast, blacks, 4K HDR) than BenQ.
 
#13,203 ·
Hi,

XBOX S seems to have compatibility issues with Epson (4000, 5040, 6040). No matter what I do and what streaming app I use (Netflix, Amazon, Movies & TV) I always see
Refresh Rate: 60Hz
Color: BT709 8 bit SDR
Chroma: 4.2.0

Clearly, not good. There are various threads started asking Netflix, XBOX etc. to address this issue. The core issue lies in streaming apps itself and not XBOX. (see below links).

For now, I manually went to Epson Menu->Signal->Advanced->Color Space and changed from Auto to BT2020. This improved color a bit.


What BD HDR players truly work with Epson ?

Is Philips BDP 7501 the only one ? Sadly, it only has two apps (Netflix and YouTube).
 
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#13,208 ·
Cant seem to get anything to show 16:9

Just set up 5040 with Elite 120in 16:9 screen. Everything I have tried to play so far which is cable through Uverse and Netflix through Apple TV all has small black bars on top and bottom. The alignment pattern fills the screen. Is this normal? It wont let me choose anything other than Normal on Lens/Zoom. Im a rookie, thanks for input.
 
#13,209 ·
Oledurt settings still beat HV at gaming...and this is with contrast clipping at 1000 and I think he has his clipping at 1200.

Harper vision top
Oledurt bottom


Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
 
#13,210 ·
Oledurt settings still beat HV at gaming...and this is with contrast clipping at 1000 and I think he has his clipping at 1200.

Harper vision top
Oledurt bottom


Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
These where zoomed in with phone so much clearer in person lol

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
 
#13,211 ·
Also with the Sony X800 Blu-ray player...but I rarely use it since the Netflix UI makes for a wonky affair. I can't get my Roku Premiere+ to do this.

I have the same combo, normally can't get HDR out of Netflix with the X800/5040 but did it get it at 24 Hz just like your pic with Cloverfield Paradox but haven't seen it with anything else yet I think because they're in 60 Hz which the Epson can't do HDR with. What were you watching when you took this screen print?
 
#13,212 ·
Going over Epson's manual this is what it has

L*a*b* Ultra Wide Color Gamut — delivers 100% of the 3 dimensional DCI-P3 color gamut ^3, the digital cinema standard, with 50% wider color gamut than Rec. 709.

^3 Entire DCI color space can be displayed in Digital Cinema Mode only.


P3 color space is the Film industry standard but BT2020 has more colors than P3 ?

Which mode do you all use ? Default is "Bright Cinema"


https://www.cnet.com/how-to/what-is-wide-color-gamut-wcg/
 
#13,213 ·
Thanks @Lennaert, after just stopping to watch any 3D, I can finally re-start enjoying them. Turning off iris in 3D works for me, at least where 3D is watchable & not a horrible crosstalk / ghosting mess! I had even bought a brand new unit, which also suffered from the same problem. This was just to rule out that my current 5040UB unit wasn't the issue.

Tried a BenQ HT2550, which has a big 3D problem of its own. I flagged the issue & now BenQ is fixing via f/w & a new circuit board before re-shipping. W/3D for me now w/iris off on 5040UB, it's so much better, I may stick w/it vs. re-buying BenQ or Optoma UHD51A. Did want to say, I still see minor crosstalk / ghosting w/5040UB, but overall it's a better PJ (shaprness, contrast, blacks, 4K HDR) than BenQ.
FWIW I also disabled the iris which seemed to help, but increasing my reported screen size to 140" (actual is 110") removed the crosstalk completely with the few discs I've tested (Rogue One, Ant-Man, Ghostbusters 2016).
 
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#13,215 ·
I have the same combo, normally can't get HDR out of Netflix with the X800/5040 but did it get it at 24 Hz just like your pic with Cloverfield Paradox but haven't seen it with anything else yet I think because they're in 60 Hz which the Epson can't do HDR with. What were you watching when you took this screen print?
As far as I know all streaming services (Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, VUDU, etc) go out as 24p. When devices receive the stream most convert to 60 Hz unless they have the capability to leave the signal as 24p. Some devices like the newer Roku's can now be set to match the original frame rate but this sometimes introduces problems depending on hardware.

The screenshot was from the Netflix Original Mindhunter. What Netflix encodes as 24p, 12 bit 4:2:2 BT.2020 HDR is a whole other issue, they are inconsistent at best.
 
#13,216 ·
Hi—Sorry if this is the wrong forum in which to ask this, but i have two questions related to the 5040UB.

One, the room I have is small, but IF I place the back half of the projector in the window well, I can get up to a 10 foot throw (otherwise it'd be a 113 inch throw), which gets me a 100 inch diagonal image. Unfortunately, this places the projector about 24 inches off-center (maybe a bit less than this, but go with me for now).

However, with horizontal lens shift, I can move the lens 30% to the right, which puts it in the center. Does anyone on this forum use their 5040UB with a similar horizontal shift? I know I lose some vertical shift as I take up more horizontal, but since the 5040UB has 47% horizontal shift I assume I still have some give with the vertical shift.

Relatedly, does anyone have experience placing the projector against a window or wall? I know the manual indicates that there should be some clearance, but I'm trying to get away with as little as possible, at least for the back half of the projector (7-8 inches).
 
#13,217 ·
In that case you were not able to get HDR with Netflix or other streaming apps correct ?
I could play Netflix 4K UHD HDR at 24fps. (which is most of their content.) Just not 60 fps..

I don't do a lot of streameng. Mostly 4K and 1080P Blu Ray disks..
 
#13,218 ·
FWIW I also disabled the iris which seemed to help, but increasing my reported screen size to 140" (actual is 110") removed the crosstalk completely with the few discs I've tested (Rogue One, Ant-Man, Ghostbusters 2016).
You're right, this helps additionally. I have a 100" screen and I choose 140" and ghosting/crosstalk are further reduced, most times non-existent. Thanks!

Weird how this and disabling auto iris do the trick, but they do!
 
#13,219 ·
Ok i am going to try with Nvidia Shield !
Hi from Portugal! ;)
I get the same projector and the same problem with the Zidoo X10. I think that might be from the Realtek SoC and also the Epson because the projector cannot accept 4k at 4.4.4 12 bit and those are the settings you might need to use to eliminate banding. The Epson TW9300 have HDMI limited to 10.2 Gbps, so it support only 4.2.2 at 12 bit @ max 25 hz.
Set Color depth: 12bit and 2160@24 hz to watch UHD 10 bit movie. You have to live with the banding effect. Some movie are worse than others and you'll notice it more in blue skies and foggy environments.
 
#13,220 ·
I have both nVidia Shield & Zidoo X9S... I get perfect HDR and no banding w/Epson 5040UB...

> nVidia Shield: 4K@29.97 (@23.976/24/30 also work), then pick 4:2:2 12-bit Rec2020 in the HDMI advanced menu

> Zidoo X9S: 3840x2160p/24 / 12-bit / YCbCr 4:2:0 / limited HDMI range

Only 4K@60 HDR/10bit is rendered in 8-bit due to 10.2Gbps limitation.
 
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