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Received my 5010 from Projector People last night.

I had a 8350 and the 5010 beats it hands down in black levels & sharpness. No contest.
*I still have the 8350 so I was able to do an A/B comparison. The 8350 does output a great picture for its price range.


Pixel Alignment:
*This is located under the Extended menu & not mentioned in the current manual.

**It appears that the European model may have the LCD pixel alignment hidden.
Here are the steps to access it.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=297


I played with the pixel alignment and here's how it works.
*My red was off about 1/2 pixel to the left. Other 2 panels where aligned with each other.

1. You first choose a panel color.
Either Red or Blue. Green can not be adjusted but it doesn't matter as it's used at the center point to move the other 2 panels.

2. You then adjust the panel in each of the four corners Vertically and Horizontally.
I believe the panel movement is in 1/20 of a pixel movement. It's definitely fine movement and a lot less than 1 pixel.

3. Then you will be prompted to select a section on the grid to finish the alignment.
I picked the worst red offset which was near the middle.
A "+" will be displayed at the grid allowing you to see the panel movement.
You can then select another location and align.
You can keep repeating this as needed.
Once done, I had virtually perfect convergence.

*Other view points at pixel alignment.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=307

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1317

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1342

**Detailed Alignment procedure.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=666

Focusing:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=670

Keystone:
I played with the keystone and it does seem to work well but you will lose a bit of sharpness/focus. Probably not noticeable in normal viewing. I recommend not using keystone and using the lens shift.

Iris:
I can't hear it 5-6 feet above my head but from 3-4 feet, you can hear a slight rumbling sound when it makes adjustments.
*This is during quiet passages and scenes change from light to dark or vise versa.
Otherwise, you won't hear it over normal audio.
It's not bothersome like the high pitch tone the Benq W6000 I had for a few weeks but seems to be a bit louder than my 8350.
If off though, the blacks look great. I basically do not "see" the black bars any more.

Fan:
The ECO mode is dead quiet.

The Normal mode is a little louder than my 8350 but sounds like a PC fan.
Measured -40db about 2 feet away using my iPad DB meter.
I do hear it in quiet/silent dialog.

Picture Quality:
PQ is great. I used Art/Mikes settings from projectorreviews & did some tweaking for now but I'm using Living Room mode to get more lumens.
I will do a full calibration later as I get some decent lamp hours.
With the extra lumens and contrast, you get a great picture with that "pop" of DLP.

Edit: I have switched to Natural mode. Living Room appears to have a red push & too bright for a bat cave.

Edit: 1/14/2013
Switched back to Living room mode
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/2790#post_22830363

Ceiling mount:
I haven't seen Chief or Peerless release an official mount yet for the 5010. Only the 3010.
I'm using the Peerless PRG-UNV mount.
I like it because I can mount it straight to the ceiling or add an extension pole later if needed.
http://www.peerlessmounts.com/dyn/Pr...3/u/t/av/15107

Other compatible mounts:
http://www.peerlessmounts.com/dyn/Products/BrowseProducts.aspx/av/15198
http://www.chiefmfg.com/Mount-Finder/EPSON/PowerLite Home Cinema 5010

Need a low profile ceiling mount
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/2190#post_22253647


Having issues with lens shift
*All Epson lens shift are pretty much the same design

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1283049


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5010/6010 differences:
The 6010 includes all of the 5010 features plus:

Case is Black
2 Pairs of Epson 3D Glasses
THX Mode Pre-Calibrated
Two anamorphic lens modes (stretch and squeeze) — enables 2.35:1 anamorphic viewing with anamorphic lens(sold separately)
Chief Mount Included
3 Year Warranty
Cable Cover
Extra lamp Included

Reviews:
http://www.displaycalibrationonline...._epson5010.asp

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...5010/index.php

http://www.projectorcentral.com/epso...tor_review.htm

*EH-TW6100 (PowerLite 3020) Review
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/3060#post_23393002

Reviews of the RS45 and some notes comparing the 5010.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1627
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=368

Measured Contrast
Using the Natural Mode, Low lamp after calibration
Long throw: 467 lumens and 6635:1 contrast
Short throw: 618 lumens and 3867:1 contrast

The auto-iris seems to provide a 3x multiple. I got just over 15,000:1 compared to about 5,000:1 native.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=188

And to compare, the JVC RS45.
The contrast you would expect under ordinary conditions is 17,660.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1627

HP Screen anyone?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/2160#post_22248538

Compatible 3D glasses
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1372529

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/s...61&foid=199263

Epson 3D glasses manual
http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchfield.com/Manuals/278/278AS3DG.PDF

Having issue with the Monster Max 3D glasses?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/2760#post_22766037

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/1890#post_22091018

DIY Motorized lens shift, zoom & focus
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1401911

ND filter
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/2040#post_22161762

Epson LPE for better contrast
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1442399/e...-of-the-5010-5020-6010-6020-a-detailed-review

Does your unit have the latest FW?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1399426

Check your FW version:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/2280#post_22289612



Epson 5010/6010 'Cinema filter Error', grinding noise, red light fix with pics
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...-error-grinding-noise-red-light-fix-pics.html


Manual
http://files.support.epson.com/pdf/p...plhc5010ug.pdf

Want enhanced sharpness and details?
Consider getting a Darbee
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet/2160#post_22301803
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/2640#post_22550353

Good discussion on black levels
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1436767/the-truth-about-black-levels

AVS HD Calibration disc
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman /forum/post/21295375


Received my 5010 from Projector People last night.

Won't be doing much calibrating until I hit at least 50 hours, which will probably be about 1-2 months for me since I only use the projector for movie watching a couple times a week.


I had a 8350 and the 5010 beats it hands down in black levels & sharpness. No contest.

*I still have the 8350 so I was able to do an A/B comparison.


Pixel Alignment:

I played with the pixel alignment and here's how it works.

*My red was off about 1/2 pixel to the left. Other 2 panels where aligned with each other.


1. You first choose a panel color.

Either Red or Blue. Green can not be adjusted but it doesn't matter as it's used at the center point to move the other 2 panels.


2. You then adjust the panel in each of the four corners Vertically and Horizontally.

I believe the panel movement is in 1/20 of a pixel movement. It's definitely fine movement and a lot less than 1 pixel.


3. Then you will be prompted to select a section on the grid to finish the alignment.

I picked the worst red offset which was near the middle.

A "+" will be displayed at the grid allowing you to see the panel movement.

Once done, I had virtually perfect convergence.

Keystone:

I played with the keystone and it does seem to work well but you will lose a bit of sharpness/focus. Probably not noticeable in normal viewing.

Fan:

The ECO mode is dead quiet.

The Normal mode is a little louder than my 8350 but sound like a PC fan.

I do hear it in quiet dialog.

Picture Quality:

PQ is great. I used Art/Mikes settings from projectorreviews & did some tweaking for now but I'm using Living Room mode to get more lumens.

I will do a full calibration later as I get some decent lamp hours.

With the extra lumens and contrast, you get a great picture with that "pop" of DLP.


Overall, I'm happy with the upgrade.

Now I need to get a 3D player and some glasses.

you said "I had a 8350 and the 5010 beats it hands down in black levels & sharpness. No contest."

you forgot to mention that the 5010 costs $1600 more than the 8350
 

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People.... Everyone is waiting for a gaming lag review on this projector>


someone please hook up an xbox and report back>
 

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if your looking for a gaming projector you should consider the acer 9500bd.
 

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Sounds like Epson may have hit a home run with this 5010 unless we start hearing alot of negative owner comments within the next few months.


This unit appears to be my choice as a replacement for my old Sanyo Z5 dead centered to the screen on a shelf with a 19ft. throw displayed on a 120" 16:9 DIY Wilson Art Designer White screen. I dont really care about the 3D but in order to acquire a PJ with the 5010`s high lumen ratings i assume the consumer is stuck with 3D regardless. By next spring this 5010 might be priced around $2250 which IMO is not too bad for an excellent 2D performer with its features & specifically the lumen ratings which should hold fairly decent even after 1K hours on the lamp that is only priced at $299 from Epson direct.


Looking forward to more actual owner user reviews.


Regards, Ron
 

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Wow only 1/2 pixel off total, now that's good convergence for an Epson.

Consider yourself a lucky dog, unless Epson up'd the tolerance on these pricier units, it's possible.

My 8350 was only off a 1/2 pixel on the red as well but the green was off a 1/2 pixel as well.

Since Epson indicates the pixel alignment is motorized, I assume it's not done via software but it's actually moving the panel.

I guess we'll find out when someone does more research on this feature.
 

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Review from another owner from another thread.


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Originally Posted by jasond71 /forum/post/21298189


I thought I might start an owners thread for the Epson 5010 since I received mine on Friday and it was suggested we move the discussion from a few of the others that are ongoing. Overall I can't say enough positive things about the projector so far. Although, I do realize my frame of reference may be slightly skewed coming from a 4yr old Epson home cinema 1080. I know that many will begin to receive their orders next week so I look forward to hearing from everyone about their initial impressions. Lag doesn't seem to be an issue but without solid objective measurements please don't take my word for it. 2d to 3d conversion seems to be cool but certainly not a replacement. Might be worth checking out during some of the games this afternoon. The Epson glasses work well but I'll have to find a smaller set for my children. The youngest spent last night holding the Epson model up to his face throughout the movie. Plan to checkout "fifth element" tonight so I'll post more of my 2d impressions after that.


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42Plasmaman,

How does the blacks compare to the Benq W6000.
 

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42Plasmaman,

How does the blacks compare to the Benq W6000.

Darker/blacker when iris is enabled.

With iris disabled on both, the 5010 is still darker.


With iris disabled on 5010 and enabled on W6000, the 5010 is a little lighter.
 

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Trust projectorreviews.com over PJC.

PJC are ridiculously biased to Panny.


The facts are simple, the Epson 5010 has much higher native contrast, about double, so it will have darker blacks over the Panny. The Epson also has the brighter best modes and pixel convergence correction, the Panny has neither of thse. The Epson is much brighter for 3D and has a more accurate picture in 3D, and has a larger range in 2D to 3D brightness for adjustments in different modes.


All the Panny has that the Epson does not is the lens memory, so if you don't need that feature, I see no need to even compare the two, the Epson wins across the board.
 

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The only thing that bothers me about the Epson is the lack of Iris and CFI in 3D. I really think Epson should update the projector to include these missing features.
 

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Darker/blacker when iris is enabled.

With iris disabled on both, the 5010 is still darker.


With iris disabled on 5010 and enabled on W6000, the 5010 is a little lighter.

have you seen the 5010 and w6000(together)?
 

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have you seen the 5010 and w6000(together)?

The W6000 went back a week ago so my observation would be from memory but when I have a completely black picture on the screen with the 5010, I need a flash light to see in my bat cave whereas with the W6000 the black level would still allow me to see in the room(Same with the 8350).
 

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Originally Posted by coderguy /forum/post/21299048


Trust projectorreviews.com over PJC.

PJC are ridiculously biased to Panny.

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yet, they do show the epson #1 over the panny 7000 here: http://www.projectorcentral.com/home...projectors.htm


Quote:
The facts are simple, the Epson 5010 has much higher native contrast, about double, so it will have darker blacks over the Panny. The Epson also has the brighter best modes and pixel convergence correction, the Panny has neither of thse. The Epson is much brighter for 3D and has a more accurate picture in 3D, and has a larger range in 2D to 3D brightness for adjustments in different modes.

the blacks of the panny in 3d look better in that head to head review since the iris is disabled in epson 3d. so that is one diff, if you want to watch some content in 3d and need dark blacks.

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All the Panny has that the Epson does not is the lens memory, so if you don't need that feature, I see no need to even compare the two, the Epson wins across the board

i've come to the same conclusion. looking to install one in the next 30 days.
 
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