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HOT NEWS:

Dolby Vision and HDR10 with "DTM" -> a Projector?

This link offers a very intriguing look into a way to achieve improved HDR performance on our older generation projectors.

In a nutshell... Dolby and Sony agreed upon an addition to the Dolby Vision spec called the Profile 5 Layer. This spec provides for the source device too engage Player LED DV processing for a display which lacks DV processing.

I have successfully tested this Player LED function with Dolby Vision and HDR10 disc playback and the Apple TV 4K64 streaming box, which is also capable of Dolby Vision Player LED processing like my Sony x800m2 BD 4k HDR/DV player.

This experiment is proving to provide a superior image experience versus the best I can do with the UB820.

I plan to post more setup info soon.




ARROW AV RS540/X7900 Review-Test



Suggested Settings: RS640 (x990/x9900) - RS540 (x790/x7900)



Giomania Calibration Docs


Javs Arve's Tool Direction and Files Post
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-d...x790-x7900-owners-thread-31.html#post55203652


Dominic Chan Recommendations:
JVC Projector Bright Curves
Optimizing HDR
Creating a basic HDR curve using Arve's tool


Dreamliner's JVC & ub820 Guide:
Dreamliner's Recommendations

Panasonic UB820, JVC & SDR2020

The Panasonic UB820 is the answer for physical 4K media. With the built-in SDR2020 Tone Mapping, 4K discs behave exactly like HD discs and you never have to deal with Gamma D or any external devices like an HD Fury. The UB820 will make you think you bought a new projector. Configured with the settings below, your projector will not see a ‘HDR’ signal so it will not switch to Gamma D. The UB820 is still interpreting the HDR data off the disc and sending a ‘full range’ signal to the projector so you are not leaving any color or brightness 'on the table'. You get beautiful high resolution and wide color gamut images without the hassle. :cool:

The UB820 is worth every single penny and your only regret will be waiting this long to get it.

I also made a JVC 4K QuickStart Guide that has some tips you might find useful.

Panasonic UB820 Optimal Settings for JVC RSxxx Projectors (SDR2020):

On the UB820:
Settings>HDMI>Advanced>HDR/Color Gamut Output>SDR/BT.2020
Settings>HDMI>Advanced>HDR/Color Gamut Output>HDR TV Type>Basic Luminance LCD and Projector
Settings>Audio>Settings for High Clarity Sound>Front Panel Display>Off (preference)

On the UB820 During 4K Disc Playback:
Options (remote button)>Video Settings>Optimum HDR Adjustment>HDR Optimizer>On (preference)
Options (remote button)>Video Settings>Optimum HDR Adjustment>Dynamic Range Conversion Adjustment>+4 to +8 (preference)

Regarding HDR Optimizer, you lose some brightness but gain detail in explosions and similar. I started with this off but now have it on. Dynamic Range Conversion Adjustment will depend a lot on your screen size, bigger screens will want more. I have left the other settings at defaults (so far).

On the JVC Projector:
Menu>Picture Adjust>Color Profile>BT.2020
Menu>Picture Adjust>Gamma>Gamma>Custom 1 or 2 or 3
Menu>Picture Adjust>Gamma>Correction Value>2.4

Regarding other settings like Iris and Lamp Mode, that is your preference. I chose Iris 0 and usually Low Lamp but High Lamp looks nicer. I set my user modes up for quick switching (press the User Mode before adjusting settings): User1-HD, User2-4K, User3-3D. More about that in my JVC 4K QuickStart Guide.


SDR Sources:
Picture Mode : Natural
Color Profile : Standard , Video or Cinema 1 (rec709 calibrated profile preferred)
Color Temp = 6500K
Gamma = Normal (alts = Gamma A, B, C or Custom 2.4, 2.3, 2.2)
Master Contrast = 0 (alt +3 max)
Master Brightness = 0
Master Color = 0
Master Tint = 0
MPC Settings
4K e-shift = ON
Graphic Mode = 4K
Enhance = 0-3 (movies with heavy grain) 4 (movies little or no apparent grain)
Smoothing = 0
NR = 0
Blur Reduction Settings
Low Latency = OFF
Clear Motion Drive = LOW
Motion Enhance = OFF
Advanced Menu
Clear Black = LOW (try HIGH for nice RC type detail boost in darker parts of the image)
Lamp Power = LOW
Lens Aperture = Manual -5 to -9 (0 if you like max lumen output)
(for max brightness and best dynamic contrast set Lens Aperture = 0 and AUTO 2)


UB820 - SDR2020 -> X990:
820 Settings:
HDR Mode = SDR/2020
Optimizer = ON
Luminance Slider = 0 - 12 (I use +5 - +8 for most content)
Brightness = +1
Black Tone Level = 0 - +3 (adjust dark detail to taste)

x990 Settings:
Color Profile = BT2020
Color Temp = HDR (6500k)
Gamma - Custom 3 (2.4 Gamma - alts 2.3, 2.2 to increase shadow detail) (also check out the B gamma)
Master Contrast = +2
Master Brightness = +2
Master Color (saturation) = 0
Master Tint = 0

MPC Settings
4K e-shift = ON
Graphic Mode = 4K
Enhance = 0-3 (movies with heavy grain) 4 (movies little or no apparent grain)
Smoothing = 0
NR = 0
Blur Reduction Settings
Low Latency = OFF
Clear Motion Drive = LOW
Motion Enhance = OFF
Advanced Menu
Clear Black = LOW (try HIGH for nice RC type detail boost in darker parts of the image)
Lamp Power = LOW
Lens Aperture = Manual -5 to -9 (0 if you like max lumen output)
(for max brightness and best dynamic contrast set Lens Aperture = 0 and AUTO 2)



ALT: UB820 - SDR2020 -> X990:
Test Drive for Ready Player One 4KHDR

This group is an interesting test drive to see what High Bright and a tweaked JVC Gamma B can look like as an alternative to a calibrated 2.4 Gamma. Give it a try. :wink:

UB820 Settings:
Optimizer = ON
Dynamic Luminance = +8
Brightness = +1
Black Tone Level = 0 to +3 (adjust dark detail to taste)

X990 Settings:
Color Profile = BT2020
Color Temp = High Bright - (Red Gain -5) - (Green Gain -20)
Gamma = JVC Gamma B (adjust dark level = +5)
Contrast = +2
Brightness = +2

MPC Settings
4K e-shift = ON
Graphic Mode = 4K
Enhance = 0-3 (movies with heavy grain) 4 (movies little or no apparent grain)
Smoothing = 0
NR = 0
Blur Reduction Settings
Low Latency = OFF
Clear Motion Drive = LOW
Motion Enhance = OFF
Advanced Menu
Clear Black = LOW (try HIGH for nice RC type detail boost in darker parts of the image)
Lamp Power = LOW
Lens Aperture = Manual -5 to -9 (0 if you like max lumen output)
(for max brightness and best dynamic contrast set Lens Aperture = 0 and AUTO 2)



HDR Sources:

Primary x990 Settings:
Picture Mode = HDR
Color Profile = BT.2020
Color Temp = HDR
Master Contrast = 0
Master Brightness = 0
Master Color = 0
Master Tint = 0

x990 ST2084 Settings
1 - My Favorite (crushes more highlights than ChadB curve, but works well)
Gamma - ST.2084
Picture Tone = +11 (dial back to restore lost highlights)
Dark Level = +5
Bright Level = -7

2 - Very close to ChadB Curve
Gamma - ST.2084
Picture Tone = +6
Dark Level = +5
Bright Level = -6

MPC Settings
4K e-shift = ON
Graphic Mode = 4K
Enhance = 0-3 (movies with heavy grain) 4 (movies little or no apparent grain)
Smoothing = 0
NR = 0
Blur Reduction Settings
Low Latency = OFF
Clear Motion Drive = LOW
Motion Enhance = OFF
Advanced Menu
Clear Black = LOW (try HIGH for nice RC type detail boost in darker parts of the image)
Lamp Power = LOW
Lens Aperture = Manual -5 to -9 (0 if you like max lumen output)
(for max brightness and best dynamic contrast set Lens Aperture = 0 and AUTO 2)



UB820 - HDR2020 -> X990:
Good settings for ub820 Netflix playback

Note: Based on owner feedback on a LS10500 projector owner, who suggested trying 820 in HDR mode with the optimizer ON. This was a successful test using the 820 in HDR/BT2020 mode with the 820 optimizer ON, and with my favorite x990 HDR ST2084 calibration.

820 Settings:
HDR Mode =HDR/2020
Optimizer =ON
Luminance Slider = 0 to +10 (dial in to taste)
Brightness = +1
White Tone Level = 0
Black Tone Level = 0 to +3 (adjust dark detail to taste)

x990 Settings:
Picture Mode = HDR
Color Profile = BT.2020
Color Temp = HDR

x990 Gamma: ST2084 Settings
- settings calibrated for the optimizer ON 1000 nits range -
Gamma - ST.2084
Picture Tone = +11
Dark Level = +5
Bright Level = -7

2 - Very close to ChadB Curve
Gamma - ST.2084
Picture Tone = +6
Dark Level = +5
Bright Level = -6

Master Contrast = +3
Master Brightness = 0
Color = 0
Tint = 0

MPC Settings
4K e-shift = ON
Graphic Mode = 4K
Enhance = 0-3 (movies with heavy grain) 4 (movies little or no apparent grain)
Smoothing = 0
NR = 0
Blur Reduction Settings
Low Latency = OFF
Clear Motion Drive = LOW
Motion Enhance = OFF
Advanced Menu
Clear Black = LOW (try HIGH for nice RC type detail boost in darker parts of the image)
Lamp Power = LOW
Lens Aperture = Manual -5 to -9 (0 if you like max lumen output)
(for max brightness and best dynamic contrast set Lens Aperture = 0 and AUTO 2)



OPPO 203 -> X990:

Oppo 203 Settings:

HDR off BT709
(HDR off BT2020 currently has issues with color gamut and color saturation. Use HDR off BT709 instead.)

Mode 3 & 300-600 on the luminance slider (higher number reduces highlight crush)

x990 Settings:
Picture Mode = User 5
Color Profile = HDR (using BT.2020 provides no benefit until OPPO fixes the bt2020 issue.)
Color Temp = HDR (6500k)
Gamma - Custom 3 (2.4 Gamma - alts 2.3, 2.2 to gradually increase shadow detail as desired)
Master Contrast = 0
Master Brightness = 0
Color (saturation) = 0
Tint = 0

MPC Settings
4K e-shift = ON
Graphic Mode = 4K
Enhance = 0-3 (movies with heavy grain) 4 (movies little or no apparent grain)
Smoothing = 0
NR = 0
Blur Reduction Settings
Low Latency = OFF
Clear Motion Drive = LOW
Motion Enhance = OFF
Advanced Menu
Clear Black = LOW (try HIGH for nice RC type detail boost in darker parts of the image)
Lamp Power = LOW
Lens Aperture = Manual -5 to -9 (0 if you like max lumen output)
(for max brightness and best dynamic contrast set Lens Aperture = 0 and AUTO 2)



Imporant Links:

Javs Arve's Tool Direction and Files Post
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-d...x790-x7900-owners-thread-31.html#post55203652

Dominic Chan Recommendations:
JVC Projector Bright Curves
Optimizing HDR
Creating a basic HDR curve using Arve's tool

Dreamliner's JVC 4k Quickstart Guide
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-d...50-x5000-owner-s-thread-123.html#post55489730

JVC D-ILA Top Menu
http://dila.jvc.com/

Reviews:
https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews...tors/jvc-dla-rs640-ultra-hd-projector-review/

Procision Series Projectors
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/category.jsp?productId=PRO6.1

RS Series Custom Installer Projectors
http://procision.jvc.com/product.jsp?pathId=71

JVC Projectors Announced at CEDIA 9/2017

JVC Announcements
http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2017/consumer/CEDIA17_new_eshift5_projectors.html
https://www.avsforum.com/jvc-projectors-cedia-2017/

20LTD
http://uk.jvc.com/news/press/dla20ltd/

RS640/X990/X9900
http://procision.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL029669&pathId=71&page=10
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL102506

RS540/X790/X7900
http://procision.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL029668&pathId=71&page=10
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL102505

Links for Projector Owners

doom9 Forums - Windows Media Players & MadVR
https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146228
https://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?f=15

MadVR Support on AVS
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-home-theater-computers/2215490-madvr-player-support-thread.html

High Quality Video Playback On Windows
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/233290-high-quality-video-playback-on-windows/

JVC Auto Calibration Software Download
http://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/...8_x518_rs640_rs540_rs440_calibrationsoft.html


Mounting Hardware:
http://www.chiefmfg.com/Products/slb281
http://www.chiefmfg.com/Products/RPA281
http://www.chiefmfg.com/Products/RPMA281
http://www.chiefmfg.com/Series/Extension-Fixed
http://www.chiefmfg.com/Series/Extension-Adjustable


REVIEWS:

Fido said:
"These projectors are a real treat. Four paws up!"


Sir Fidelio (Fido) Barkington III
"Contrastio Altiorem"
Manchester E-Shift Projector Club

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Grats!

I hope to have my X9900 in a couple weeks and will be doing an in depth shootout between it and my X9500.

EDIT - I have my unit now, so here are my thoughts all collated... My unit is not a good sample, I will be replacing it and will update my thoughts on that unit, most of this was shot from the center of the screen though so for the most part its still going to be a very relevanty comparison, since both my lenses are sharp in the very center. Its the outer edges I have issues with with regards to this lens.

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I am disappointed overall, and its mainly a gut feeling though, a few things stand out, but it seems to gain a couple steps in one area we give up one or two steps in another area.. I am torn on weather I will keep this projector.

There, got that out of the way.

Here is what my shelf looks like right now...




Eshift buzz is definitely reduced since when I first turned it on, it sounded dead set like an electric razor at first, by the end of the night, 4 hours later it was about the same volume as my old unit, unless you put your ear right up to the 9900 and then the frequency was a bit different. No big deal here.

The 5 seconds improve sync time in Low Lag mode is very nice. 11.8s in low lag mode ON, 16.8s Low Lag mode off for a 4k Desktop to appear.

Turns out this lens is not as sharp as my 9500, once I studied all the corners of the lens it was clear it wasn't quite as sharp. My 9500 lens is pretty much pin sharp in all the corners, this 9900 lens appeared to be, but when I had both projectors stacked, they were both super sharp in the center, but the 9900 slightly less so, and was a couple clicks less sharp on the corners and this could not exactly be brought in line with the sharpness of the center. Both of these lenses though are still far out sharper than my X7000 lens ever was, so I would still say both these lenses are excellent and would quality for hand selection for the 9XXX series projectors, its just that my old one is better than the other.

However because the left side has perfect convergence, the pixel delineation appears to be stronger, however the focus grid is sharper on the X9500 in person, no doubt about it..

X9900



X9500



The chromatic aberration on the right side of the lens I have come to decide is unacceptable. I think this will be the basis of at least exchanging this unit to try another sample. While the 2/3rds of the left hand side are perfect, I would actually prefer if the panel alignment was out, that it be out by a consistent amount across the whole screen, my last two JVC's were both exactly 1 pixel blur out vertically, which is easy fix, this would require zone alignment and I am not doing that with an MSRP $10k projector.

EShift 5 with text is better than EShift 4, but in real data in video, I am not sure it can be seen at all.

My X9900 is DIMMER than my X9500 is right now at 700 hours. I'll let that sink in for a moment.

I have to run the X9900 on iris -9 and contrast -2 to brightness match the X9500 currently at iris -10 contrast -1. This is a shame, because my X9500 was at least 10% brighter than this when it was new and has dimmed itself since new. So the 9900 starting out where it is, its not looking good here.

There is some ugly super warm colour temp cast over just the menu screen, the X9500 menu screen looks like a correct calibrated almost 18% grey menu, I don't know how else to say that. I did calibrate both grey-scales on the projectors, there still seems to be a slight colour difference on screen however despite very quick cal, the menu doesn't seem to be affected by calibration at all, so that ugly red bias grey menu seems there to stay...

HDMI SYNC TIMES:

When Low Latency mode is on, my projector was syncing in 11.8 seconds for a 4k desktop image to appear, and 16.8 seconds when Low Latency mode is off. Thats also a repeatable 5 seconds quicker than the 9500 was generally. All modes seem to be between 2-3 seconds quicker syncing vs the 9500 when low latency mode is off.


LOW LATENCY MODE: This seems like it needs to be left ON at all times, at least on my unit, its sharper with it, there is some effed up blur ghosting artefact with Low Latency off, yes you read that right, Low Latency needs to be on for sharpest image. Its totally odd but the pics don't lie.


Perhaps my unit is misbehaving? It did come at default switched to On OOTB. EDIT - This has actually be corroborated by other owners, this may be a bug, but for best quality Low Latency must be off, oddly, cycling CMD on then off again removed the ghosting... but how long does that stick for? Perhaps on next power up the ghosting will be back, best to leave it ON.


LOW LATENCY ON:



LOW LATENCY OFF:





Low Latency Roll over comparisons On / Off


http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121488

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121489

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121490

ESHIFT 5 DOES NOT HAVE LESS MOSQUITO NOISE THAN ESHIFT 4. It just doesn't. The fine buzzing noise with your face to the screen is identical on both models. Sorry to see this, it was one of the things I was hoping to see improved, for a calmer image, but no.

Windows Desktop at 4k/ Still not native on either machine but no doubt the 9900 is getting closer to where it should be.

X9500



X9900



Rollover

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121495


Now for this, lets look at Eshift 5 vs 4. At first your eyes may be drawn to the vertical lines being far sharper with actual gaps between then on eshift 4 and you would be right, but look at the letters and words... eshift 5 kills it with high density 4k text. But it seems to give up something all the same while doing it... which is a lesser evil? I really don't know, I am truly torn here...


CHROMA TEST


X9500





X9900





http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121753

Chroma Rollovers:


http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121496

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121497

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I have begun the process of RMAing the projector, hopefully the next sample is better, if its lackluster again, I will either try get a refund or sell it on, if the lens is excellent and convergence is at least consistent, meaning if it required adjustment I can do the whole screen at once, not only one side, then I will keep it.

I did spend a lot of time calibrating, and Autocaling the new unit today and kind of general trouble shooting, I didn't touch the calibration on the old unit, there was a tiny bit of colour shift, but I have slightly kicked the colour in Lightroom around a tiny bit to make these comparisons closer.

Good news is Autocal works great! Arve tool works too, just need to hit ignore a couple times on some errors but works.

Oh the Low Latency shadow wierdness bug for me seems to have gone away, as far as I can see now both Low Latency on and off look the same.

OK pics...

Here is one you can definitely see more fine detail in, again this is text only, but hey its real content as it were!



http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121588



http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121589



http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121581



http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121583



http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121582



http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121590



http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121584



http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121586



http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121587

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BT2020 Mode. This is covering pretty much the entire P3 gamut. HDR mode without the filter for added brightness at the cost of coverage...



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OK here are pics of my lackluster lens and convergence! Yay!!

I literally dont even have to tell you guys which is which!

Left side of screen:

X9500



X9900



Right side of screen:

X9500



X9900




Left side of screen, both projectors at the same time.



Convergence, X9900:






What happens when I correct the convergence with zone alignment... This is a single 1080p pixel horizontal line pattern, gee this artefact looks SUPER familiar.

X9900




X9500 with normal panel alignment:



Obviously the 9900 can show that screen as clear grey too, but if I want panel alignment to be correct, I get artefacts, yay!

Oh and here is real content, top corner of screen:

X9500



X9900

 

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Can you add the 20LTD to the title as well? ..and perhaps just like in the past the 440 should have it's own thread.
 

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Maybe RBooster can change the actual TITLE which I can not do.
Please ask a moderator to do it.
Also don't delay your first impressions on eShift 5 ;)
 

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Can you add the 20LTD to the title as well? ..and perhaps just like in the past the 440 should have it's own thread.
Actually yeah the 440/590/5900 needs its own thread. It does not share a whole host of features with the higher models.

No P3 filter, no dual iris, no lens cover, no THX etc... significantly different contrast levels etc
 

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Can't wait to see how eshift 5 compares, according to JVC it seems they have pretty much perfected the tech and also fixed the bugs and added the missing features to this refresh. Shame I have to wait another couple of months for my LTD.
 

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What movie scenes are recommended to best check for the noise attributed to eshift? I think I might have seen some of the noise in some sky screens in guardians of the galaxy v2.
Last night I was watching The Matrix Revolutions and I saw quite a bit of noise there at the beginning when they are in the hovercraft, look at their faces.
 

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Grats!

I hope to have my X9900 in a couple weeks and will be doing an in depth shootout between it and my X9500.
I know its some time until i receive my 20LTD ( Hopefully mid December) , but i have discussed with @Javs and will arrange to send it to him to enable him to do a comprehensive comparison against his X9900 and the X9500..:)
 

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I know its some time until i receive my 20LTD ( Hopefully mid December) , but i have discussed with @Javs and will arrange to send it to him to enable him to do a comprehensive comparison against his X9900 and the X9500..:)
hha, you are one patient man :)
 

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I know its some time until i receive my 20LTD ( Hopefully mid December) , but i have discussed with @Javs and will arrange to send it to him to enable him to do a comprehensive comparison against his X9900 and the X9500..:)
Nice! I guess you will try and get some hours on the LTD before shipping it up to Javs.

Curious to see at what brightness the max contrast is achieved on the X9900 vs the LTD. Wondering if the LTD's irises are shut down that much more. Javs is sure to uncover the secrets.

Look forward to his findings.
 

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Nice! I guess you will try and get some hours on the LTD before shipping it up to Javs.

Curious to see at what brightness the max contrast is achieved on the X9900 vs the LTD. Wondering if the LTD's irises are shut down that much more. Javs is sure to uncover the secrets.

Look forward to his findings.
Yep, will put a hundred or so hours on it ( wont take long) then arrange to send it to him...:)
 

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Nice! I guess you will try and get some hours on the LTD before shipping it up to Javs.

Curious to see at what brightness the max contrast is achieved on the X9900 vs the LTD. Wondering if the LTD's irises are shut down that much more. Javs is sure to uncover the secrets.

Look forward to his findings.
I think it's due to the panels otherwise if it doesn't reach deeper at the same iris settings it wouldn't be much of an advantage?
 

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Just heard from my dealer. Nothing yet. :(:(
 

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I think it's due to the panels otherwise if it doesn't reach deeper at the same iris settings it wouldn't be much of an advantage?
If it is the light engine(less irises) panels/light path components, then there is a possibility this level of performance will filter down to the X9900 down the track.

The speculative little devil in me says, the easiest way to meet this LTD spec is to reduce the aperture a bit more, although at a lower light output.

None of us will experience max contrast unless we are at the longest throw, with the irises clamped down, projecting on to 90" screens. :)
 

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Yep, will put a hundred or so hours on it ( wont take long) then arrange to send it to him...:)
Do 200.

Droop will be hitting hard by then. I rather wait for the best time, get your droop totally sorted when you send it, not when its going to keep slipping for another 200 hours... Which is may do so anyway.

I think my droop has now stopped on my JVC at 600hrs. which is good... for the next owner lol.
 
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