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Does full DCI = WCG?

Can the Epson 6040 do more DCI than the JVC

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The 6040 does DCI and the RS400 only does 85% of DCI. The RS500/600 does DCI. Note that the 6040 is not very bright with DCI filter in place. Much dimmer than the JVC's.
 

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The 6040 does DCI and the RS400 only does 85% of DCI. The RS500/600 does DCI. Note that the 6040 is not very bright with DCI filter in place. Much dimmer than the JVC's.
Before I exchanged the 5040/6040 for the JVC (thanks Mike) I considered HDR content with the filter in place to be basically unwatchable on the Epson. The slightly more accurate color reproduction in no way made up for the loss in lumens.

Other setups - smaller screens & shorter throws, etc. - might not have as much of an issue but yeah, as Mike is pointing out the Epson having a DCI filter isn't as big an advantage, if any, as you might think.

It was a good PJ otherwise. Perfectly fine for BD and none-HDR viewing. JVC picture beats it in light controlled settings though.
 

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LUXE 35 ft HDMI cable not passing 4k/60p signal

They also have a "LUXE" cable that's CL3 rated. It's available in longer runs, tested to pass full 18gbps up to 50 feet, but not "Certified Premium". Of course, the shorter you can go, the better the likely result. I'm probably going to get this one...
I just tried the 35 ft LUXE HDMI cable and it would not pass the 4k/60p for the MENU of the Samsung UHD 8500 to my RS 400 projector - It must be the signal is not strong enough coming out of the Samsung player ? Has anybody with this COMBO Samsung/JVC had the Monoprice LUXE HDMI cable work so they can see the Menu on the Samsung 8500 when it starts up?
 

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Hi all,

I posted earlier about finally upgrading my system from an old RS45 to the new RS400 and the Oppo203
I've got everything setup and had a chance to start playing around with the settings this weekend.
It's been quite a few years since I've had to do any of this and now I remember why I put off upgrading for so long.
This stuff is a little complicated for the average Joe.

I was able to download the BT2020 profile and I purchased my very first 4K BluRay - Jason Bourne, just so I have something to play around with.
I'm bypassing my older Anthem D2 and running directly to HDMI2 with the Oppo. I set it to "strip metadata" and I get a picture, but very dark as others have mentioned. The "strip metadata" seems to be fine for me.
I'll play around with some of the settings others have posted.

I also have my DirecTV running through my Anthem D2, and played around with that setting too. I set up USER1 (Renamed it "TV") and got the picture to look pretty good.

Anyway, I have a couple of questions:

*Do I need to set up a different user setting for each type of signal - BluRay, 4K BluRay, DirecTV, etc? I assume the answer is yes, just wondering if this is what everyone is doing?

* Do all 4K BluRays carry HDR?

* Someone mentioned that turning off HDR resulted in a better picture. How would you "turn off HDR"? Is this done in the OPPO or the RS400?

*Finally, as mentioned, I have an older Anthem D2 which will not process all of these new audio formats (Atmos and DTS-X). I have my Oppo set for LPCM at the moment. Is it worth it to upgrade my receiver?

Appreciate your help!!
 

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Probably because very few people game on the current model JVCs :) Input lag. This is something of a sore point among JVC owners and it comes up, literally, every two-three pages of every JVC thread. That said I've seen many game SS posted in this thread alone so you should be able to find them.

There are two camps: "Input lag doesn't bother me, games are great, the rest of you are wrong" and "The input lag is horrible, no game ever made will play correctly on it, JVC is terrible for games, the rest of you are wrong". Or at least it often seems that way :)

Now that JVC has a slight refresh of their models on the way where the biggest change is, you guessed it, better input lag this debate will hopefully die soon. Though I fear it never will :)
Thanks I will keep trawling through the thread for them, and you're right once the new models come out hopefully there is a lot more information regarding it.

On another note, how is the motion handling on the RS400 at 60fps?
 

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Anyway, I have a couple of questions:

*Do I need to set up a different user setting for each type of signal - BluRay, 4K BluRay, DirecTV, etc? I assume the answer is yes, just wondering if this is what everyone is doing?
Yes. Mostly. I divide mine in to SDR, HDR (one SDR works fine for both 2k and 4k) and TV. You may or may not want to add one for DVD as well, or just stick with SDR settings. I also calibrated an SDR setting for my Shield TV since it calibrates a little different from my Oppo UHD player.

* Do all 4K BluRays carry HDR?
No. Nor streaming 4k for that matter. It is common but not universal for UHD disks. It is uncommon but increasing for 4k streams (Netflix, Amazon, etc.)

* Someone mentioned that turning off HDR resulted in a better picture. How would you "turn off HDR"? Is this done in the OPPO or the RS400?
You can just disable HDR in the player - I think all current UHD players support this. This sends a rec.709 signal which basically means lower color depth - though lower is in the eye of the beholder; consider all BDs use this still.

Or you can strip HDR metadata - which (simply put) removes the contrast-scaling, but keeps the wider color gamut of rec.2020. People do this primarily to get more accurate colors/increased color depth (less banding, etc.) without the extra bright/dark metadata information that many PJs - like this one - don't do a good job handling in the first place due to lack of lumen output.

I am oversimplifying and whether you want to do this or not is purely a matter of taste. Right now, today, the only sure way to strip HDR is to use an external device - the HDFury Integral. The Oppo player has an "experimental" HDR stripping feature however it doesn't work well at all. This will probably be corrected in a future update but how long that takes is anyone's guess.

*Finally, as mentioned, I have an older Anthem D2 which will not process all of these new audio formats (Atmos and DTS-X). I have my Oppo set for LPCM at the moment. Is it worth it to upgrade my receiver?

Appreciate your help!!
Assuming you have a good speaker setup that is Atmos, etc. ready, then yes. Otherwise upgrade those as well. Atmos, done well, is pretty awesome with titles that support it. It is tricky to implement (as far as speakers and placement go) but if you are really in to multi-channel sound that is where it's at.
 

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Yes. Mostly. I divide mine in to SDR, HDR (one SDR works fine for both 2k and 4k) and TV. You may or may not want to add one for DVD as well, or just stick with SDR settings. I also calibrated an SDR setting for my Shield TV since it calibrates a little different from my Oppo UHD player.



No. Nor streaming 4k for that matter. It is common but not universal for UHD disks. It is uncommon but increasing for 4k streams (Netflix, Amazon, etc.)



You can just disable HDR in the player - I think all current UHD players support this. This sends a rec.709 signal which basically means lower color depth - though lower is in the eye of the beholder; consider all BDs use this still.

Or you can strip HDR metadata - which (simply put) removes the contrast-scaling, but keeps the wider color gamut of rec.2020. People do this primarily to get more accurate colors/increased color depth (less banding, etc.) without the extra bright/dark metadata information that many PJs - like this one - don't do a good job handling in the first place due to lack of lumen output.

I am oversimplifying and whether you want to do this or not is purely a matter of taste. Right now, today, the only sure way to strip HDR is to use an external device - the HDFury Integral. The Oppo player has an "experimental" HDR stripping feature however it doesn't work well at all. This will probably be corrected in a future update but how long that takes is anyone's guess.



Assuming you have a good speaker setup that is Atmos, etc. ready, then yes. Otherwise upgrade those as well. Atmos, done well, is pretty awesome with titles that support it. It is tricky to implement (as far as speakers and placement go) but if you are really in to multi-channel sound that is where it's at.

Hi I also have the rs400 and thinking of getting the oppus.. Question, ive had the projector for a year and ive streamed a lot of 4k from youtube and it looks amazing.. If you disable HDR on the player does rec.709 look better than streaming from youtube.. Im having a hard time believing that an UHD blu-ray will look even better than what im seeing while streaming.. Thanks
 

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Hi I also have the rs400 and thinking of getting the oppus.. Question, ive had the projector for a year and ive streamed a lot of 4k from youtube and it looks amazing.. If you disable HDR on the player does rec.709 look better than streaming from youtube.. Im having a hard time believing that an UHD blu-ray will look even better than what im seeing while streaming.. Thanks
Beauty in the eye of the beholder, and all that :)

Consider the source differences. Many Youtube videos - particularly ones meant for "wow!" type demos - run at 60fps and come from 4k/8k cameras. Most UHD movies are coming over as 23.96/24fps and additionally quite a few are mastered from 2k sources. A 4k video filmed with a 4k camera at 60fps will certainly seem to "pop" more than a 24fps film. Doesn't mean one is "better" than the other; they just look different.

Some UHDs sourced from 2k don't really look any better than their 2k BD version - Oblivion is a great example (unfortunately) of such a disk. Other 2k transfers, like Pacific Rim, are a noticiable improvement. Then there are 4k transfer films which look outstanding - there's a whole thread on AVS dedicated to UHD transfers and reviews, look it up.

Overall UHD will look better if mastered from a good source correctly. A disk will still trump most streaming services in terms of bitrate. However it's certainly possible to perceive otherwise. My wife for example loves the motion-enhanced "soap opera effect" CMD brings and prefers it whenever we watch stuff on our TV. In my theater stuff looks too "movie like" to her which, you know, would normally be a compliment but...see my first sentence of this reply :)

Personally I think HDR done right is a much bigger jump in perceived quality than 2k-4k with current content, but only on a display that has enough brightness to handle it. On the JVCs it's better to strip HDR and keep WCG, because color banding issues, etc. are mitigated or eliminated at the higher color depth, and PJs have a hard time in most setups outputting enough light for HDR contrast benefits to really shine. Stripping the HDR metadata gives you the best of both. Make sense?
 

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Thanks for the input @IX
I've got some work to do to get this right. I haven't even gotten my Nvidia shield yet.
BTW, I actually ordered an Integral and having it sitting here. It sounds like you'd recommend installing it even though my Oppo strips the metadata, correct.
Are there particular settings on that thing to make it work with my Oppo? Reading through the manual on the internet was a little overwhelming.

If I get too frustrated (this stuff doesn't come easy to me but I'm pretty persistent), I may get it professionally calibrated.
After reading through this thread, I see that many have gone this route. Not sure what the cost of this is but I won't go that route without tinkering myself for a while.
 

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Beauty in the eye of the beholder, and all that :)

Consider the source differences. Many Youtube videos - particularly ones meant for "wow!" type demos - run at 60fps and come from 4k/8k cameras. Most UHD movies are coming over as 23.96/24fps and additionally quite a few are mastered from 2k sources. A 4k video filmed with a 4k camera at 60fps will certainly seem to "pop" more than a 24fps film. Doesn't mean one is "better" than the other; they just look different.

Some UHDs sourced from 2k don't really look any better than their 2k BD version - Oblivion is a great example (unfortunately) of such a disk. Other 2k transfers, like Pacific Rim, are a noticiable improvement. Then there are 4k transfer films which look outstanding - there's a whole thread on AVS dedicated to UHD transfers and reviews, look it up.

Overall UHD will look better if mastered from a good source correctly. A disk will still trump most streaming services in terms of bitrate. However it's certainly possible to perceive otherwise. My wife for example loves the motion-enhanced "soap opera effect" CMD brings and prefers it whenever we watch stuff on our TV. In my theater stuff looks too "movie like" to her which, you know, would normally be a compliment but...see my first sentence of this reply :)

Personally I think HDR done right is a much bigger jump in perceived quality than 2k-4k with current content, but only on a display that has enough brightness to handle it. On the JVCs it's better to strip HDR and keep WCG, because color banding issues, etc. are mitigated or eliminated at the higher color depth, and PJs have a hard time in most setups outputting enough light for HDR contrast benefits to really shine. Stripping the HDR metadata gives you the best of both. Make sense?
I think i got it.. Yes in most cases? :)
 

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Thanks for the input @IX
I've got some work to do to get this right. I haven't even gotten my Nvidia shield yet.
BTW, I actually ordered an Integral and having it sitting here. It sounds like you'd recommend installing it even though my Oppo strips the metadata, correct.
Are there particular settings on that thing to make it work with my Oppo? Reading through the manual on the internet was a little overwhelming.

If I get too frustrated (this stuff doesn't come easy to me but I'm pretty persistent), I may get it professionally calibrated.
After reading through this thread, I see that many have gone this route. Not sure what the cost of this is but I won't go that route without tinkering myself for a while.
In the Integral app, choose setting 10 (if you have the Fury in between your AVR and your PJ) or 11 (if you have it in between your Oppo and your AVR). One passes full bitstream sound, the other doesn't. If you are going straight to your PJ you don't care about sound because your PJ doesn't either :)

That is more or less it. Other than, check the Integral site and make sure you have the most recent firmware (the app will probably tell you).

Oppo's HDR stripping feature doesn't work very well right now. If you have the Integral it doesn't matter, just ignore it.
 

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In the Integral app, choose setting 10 (if you have the Fury in between your AVR and your PJ) or 11 (if you have it in between your Oppo and your AVR). One passes full bitstream sound, the other doesn't. If you are going straight to your PJ you don't care about sound because your PJ doesn't either :)
Oppo's HDR stripping feature doesn't work very well right now. If you have the Integral it doesn't matter, just ignore it.
Ix, got everything up and going with HD Fury. Downloaded the app and set the Integral to 11 like you suggested (first I went back to the Oppo and turned off the HDR stripping). That app is pretty sweet. There's a bunch of settings on there that I didn't understand but I was able to change the Gamma at will even while sending 4K, so it looks like it's working. I set it to Gamma A and started tweaking the settings. I have the lamp on low and its still really bright on my 1.3 gain screen. Had to turn the brightness way down. I gotta say, I got it looking pretty nice. This thing is probably awesome if professionally calibrated.

Quick question: is the integral also a splitter? I'm assuming the answer is yes but not sure how I'd pass audio to my AV receiver if I hook my Nvidia Shield to this thing.
Thanks for your help!
 

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Ix, got everything up and going with HD Fury. Downloaded the app and set the Integral to 11 like you suggested (first I went back to the Oppo and turned off the HDR stripping). That app is pretty sweet. There's a bunch of settings on there that I didn't understand but I was able to change the Gamma at will even while sending 4K, so it looks like it's working. I set it to Gamma A and started tweaking the settings. I have the lamp on low and its still really bright on my 1.3 gain screen. Had to turn the brightness way down. I gotta say, I got it looking pretty nice. This thing is probably awesome if professionally calibrated.

Quick question: is the integral also a splitter? I'm assuming the answer is yes but not sure how I'd pass audio to my AV receiver if I hook my Nvidia Shield to this thing.
Thanks for your help!
Yes it can be used as a splitter. You would not be able to also split off audio, unless you used two Integrals. I have never heard of anyone cascading Integrals, but that would be the only way you could split off audio.
 

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Just got my OPPO today. Got everything setup and realized that with my x550 and marantz 7792mk2, the OPPO only works in the cab/SAT or DVD HDMI inputs... I just get a blank screen in any other one..... Anyways I watched pets 4k with my little girl tonight.... Holy hell was the PQ amazing. I have a Xbox s and have watched 4k on it but man did pets look crazy good.

Now to figure out why it doesn't like any other HDMI slot lol
 

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my 400 throws a very good 1080p picture. Probably as good as the 4k this projector says it can do but dont. I just counted and this is my 6th jvc projector since I built this house and moved in in 2008. So 9 years and 6 pj's. Im holding put. Gonna build a new home soon and build a real theater.
 

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I am happy to announce I am taking delivery of an RS400 in a few days. I am coming from an Epson 8500 that developed a few issues in seven years and I mercifully killed it with a stupid careless over voltage with an HDMI switcher. I was trolling JVC posts, so perhaps there were voices in my head urging me on to get to TWO projectors in seven years! ;)

Anyway, *ahem* I'm excited for the improved brightness, shadow detail, and quality.

Pricing on 2016 models is fantastic now...JVC sold ALL of their 2016 stock to AVScience for such a low price. Unlike in last years, this year it is really worth it to pursue last year's model from Mike Garret if you are not an uber gamer and need the improved low latency!





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XBox One S vs OPPO PQ

Just got my OPPO today. Got everything setup and realized that with my x550 and marantz 7792mk2, the OPPO only works in the cab/SAT or DVD HDMI inputs... I just get a blank screen in any other one..... Anyways I watched pets 4k with my little girl tonight.... Holy hell was the PQ amazing. I have a Xbox s and have watched 4k on it but man did pets look crazy good.

Now to figure out why it doesn't like any other HDMI slot lol
I also have a RS 400 , So can you compare the 4kUHD Blue Ray PQ and also the Blue Ray up converted to 4k PQ between the Xbox One S and the OPPO - Right now I am still watching 80% Blu Rays movies and about 20% 4k UHD movies, so the PQ for the up converting to 4k is more important to me right now
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I also have a RS 400 , So can you compare the 4kUHD Blue Ray PQ and also the Blue Ray up converted to 4k PQ between the Xbox One S and the OPPO - Right now I am still watching 80% Blu Rays movies and about 20% 4k UHD movies, so the PQ for the up converting to 4k is more important to me right now
Thanks
Funny you should ask that because I already did it lol. They are honestly both pretty close. The OPPO is 3 times as fast getting to the movies though. That's one thing I hate about the Xbox s, it's super slow at anything 4k.
 

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Just wanted to say thanks to Craig at AV Science for helping me pull the trigger on the RS400. I bounced back and forth between projectors but at this price its pretty hard to pass up. Anxiously awaiting UPS to pull up :)
 
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