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So, what you're saying is that the Panny players still have a purpose to serve here.
There is certainly some potential here, for the Dynamic Range Slider to help optimize HDR performance on the JVC's.

If Frame-by-Frame Dynamic Tone Mapping were completely straightforward, and uncomplicated, then we wouldn't be needing any options for it: Auto, Low, Medium, High. So things are more complex than we would otherwise like to think.

Kris Deering's comments on the Dynamic Range Slider, if I'm understanding them correctly, suggest that the Slider allows the output from the Panasonic to be modified for the available brightness and dynamic range available on our Projectors. And as I indicated, the default setting is providing a particular value for this, which may or may not be suitable for any given projector or room.

So it seems that if we adjust the DRS to more suitably match our projector's brightness and dynamic range, it might allow for better performance of the JVC's DTM.

So this is what I've been thinking about, from a purely conceptual basis. How this ends up being translated into real-world performance, I don't know. But I think it is potentially a worthwhile avenue to explore.
 

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not when i run material through the oppo 205... or appleTV 4K for that matter :D

there are ways to make sure not impacting...ignore it ... pretend its not there :p
Just to be clear (and I realize you may be jesting in part), everything I'm talking about with regard to the Dynamic Range Slider applies only to the Panasonic 420/820/9000 players. I'm not familiar with how the Oppo or AppleTV work in this regard, or what options they provide to the user for HDR content.
 
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There is certainly some potential here, for the Dynamic Range Slider to help optimize HDR performance on the JVC's.

If Frame-by-Frame Dynamic Tone Mapping were completely straightforward, and uncomplicated, then we wouldn't be needing any options for it: Auto, Low, Medium, High. So things are more complex than we would otherwise like to think.

Kris Deering's comments on the Dynamic Range Slider, if I'm understanding them correctly, suggest that the Slider allows the output from the Panasonic to be modified for the available brightness and dynamic range available on our Projectors. And as I indicated, the default setting is providing a particular value for this, which may or may not be suitable for any given projector or room.

So it seems that if we adjust the DRS to more suitably match our projector's brightness and dynamic range, it might allow for better performance of the JVC's DTM.

So this is what I've been thinking about, from a purely conceptual basis. How this ends up being translated into real-world performance, I don't know. But I think it is potentially a worthwhile avenue to explore.
Got it. As more people test, we'll get more answers. :)
 

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Got it. As more people test, we'll get more answers. :)
We could take a look at the DSR at our meeting? I was planning to bring theub820. :grin:
 

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So it seems that if we adjust the DRS to more suitably match our projector's brightness and dynamic range, it might allow for better performance of the JVC's DTM.

So this is what I've been thinking about, from a purely conceptual basis. How this ends up being translated into real-world performance, I don't know. But I think it is potentially a worthwhile avenue to explore.
If the projector's peak white is 120 nits (as an example) and you set the diffuse white to 25 nits, the remaining 95 nits is available for the mapping of highlights. If the projector's peak white is only 70 nits, then there's only 45 nits left for the highlights, so one may need to reduce the diffuse white (dimmer picture) to get more contrast.

Whether the adjustment is done using the Panasonic DRS or JVCs own Low/Medium/High control, the same tradeoff needs to be made.
 

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After couple months of enjoying my NX9 + DCR on a dual-joist CHief mount, I've found as the weight settles in that the image has slid down just a touch. I initialy aligned the lenses to the screen perfectly, but with this settling in I've had to use lens shift up to correct. May be 4-8 clicks up + to the right.

Is that ok without compromising picture quality or should I be relining up the DCR geometry to the screen?

Other thing I'd add is the mount is lag bolted into a boxed in area of the ceiling, which is of solid construction (see pic).
But when displaying fine text I can see the image slightly shaking as the projector just slightly tremors with the foot falls. Can't see it in moving images, but it is being affected by traffic above, so also wondering if that may be affecting the slight changes in image positioning I'm seeing.
The problem with the Chief mount and the RS3000 is the mount is based on the previous JVC designs and not the new ones. With the larger lens of the RS3000 the center of gravity is farther forward. I struggled with this for the first month or so because almost every foot fall would cause vibrations and I've NEVER had that problem with any other projector before (including the RS4500). I ended up putting some weights on the back of the projector to shift the CG more toward the middle and I also used some hanging isolators that reduce the structure borne vibration from the ceiling/mount. Now I get zero vibration from anything.
 

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There is certainly some potential here, for the Dynamic Range Slider to help optimize HDR performance on the JVC's.

If Frame-by-Frame Dynamic Tone Mapping were completely straightforward, and uncomplicated, then we wouldn't be needing any options for it: Auto, Low, Medium, High. So things are more complex than we would otherwise like to think.

Kris Deering's comments on the Dynamic Range Slider, if I'm understanding them correctly, suggest that the Slider allows the output from the Panasonic to be modified for the available brightness and dynamic range available on our Projectors. And as I indicated, the default setting is providing a particular value for this, which may or may not be suitable for any given projector or room.

So it seems that if we adjust the DRS to more suitably match our projector's brightness and dynamic range, it might allow for better performance of the JVC's DTM.

So this is what I've been thinking about, from a purely conceptual basis. How this ends up being translated into real-world performance, I don't know. But I think it is potentially a worthwhile avenue to explore.
The slider works as a way of informing the Panasonic how much range you want to emulate for the tone map, so it isn't a set it and forget it option. But you may find a balance between it and the JVC DTM that works well for you. Probably just going to take a lot of experimentation with a wide range of content to see how it performs with different levels of material.
 

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The slider works as a way of informing the Panasonic how much range you want to emulate for the tone map, so it isn't a set it and forget it option. But you may find a balance between it and the JVC DTM that works well for you. Probably just going to take a lot of experimentation with a wide range of content to see how it performs with different levels of material.
Thanks for the reply, Kris.

When it was announced, I was naively hoping that JVC's DTM would be the end of fiddling with projector settings, and while it does a much better job than anything I've experienced before, as yet, I still feel the need to tweak things at times (although less than before).

I will be doing the experimentation over the next little while, to see if I can get that balance between DRS and DTM to minimize the tweaking that needs to be done.

I just watched John Wick (first one), DTM on High, DRS I think was +6, possibly +7 (I have a 160" diagonal scope screen, so many square inches to fill!) - holy crap it looked great, giving me that same 'pop' that I get with my Sony 900E LED.
 

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I am thinking of purchasing the JVC RS2000/NX7/N7. I was interested in the projector because I heard the black levels of the JVC are usually great and also the 3D on this projector is great. I read in some random review that the 1080p scaling to 4K is not that great i.e some anti-aliasing. Also there is possibility that the black level is not uniform (especially in the corners when viewing completely black screen).

https://hometheaterreview.com/jvc-dla-rs2000-projector-reviewed/?page=2

Is there any truth to this with the current firmware etc..?
 

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Thanks for the reply, Kris.

When it was announced, I was naively hoping that JVC's DTM would be the end of fiddling with projector settings, and while it does a much better job than anything I've experienced before, as yet, I still feel the need to tweak things at times (although less than before).

I will be doing the experimentation over the next little while, to see if I can get that balance between DRS and DTM to minimize the tweaking that needs to be done.

I just watched John Wick (first one), DTM on High, DRS I think was +6, possibly +7 (I have a 160" diagonal scope screen, so many square inches to fill!) - holy crap it looked great, giving me that same 'pop' that I get with my Sony 900E LED.
glad you are enjoying some :)

what nits of FL you are achieving on screen, a 160" scope screen which his equivalent to 170" 16:9 zoomed ? that is a lot of inches to fill indeed curious what you are achieving :)
 

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I am thinking of purchasing the JVC RS2000/NX7/N7. I was interested in the projector because I heard the black levels of the JVC are usually great and also the 3D on this projector is great. I read in some random review that the 1080p scaling to 4K is not that great i.e some anti-aliasing. Also there is possibility that the black level is not uniform (especially in the corners when viewing completely black screen).

https://hometheaterreview.com/jvc-dla-rs2000-projector-reviewed/?page=2

Is there any truth to this with the current firmware etc..?
i let my player do the upscaling as does the appleTV 4k :)

the only thing feeding 1080p is our free to air TV box...but that stuff PQ is average at best. however still quite watchable :)
 

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i let my player do the upscaling as does the appleTV 4k :)

the only thing feeding 1080p is our free to air TV box...but that stuff PQ is average at best. however still quite watchable :)
Good to know. How about black level uniformity on completely black screen? I currently own the Sony VPL-VW285ES. For anyone that has seen/used that projector before and moved to the JVC RS2000, How is the video quality and black level comparable?
 

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i let my player do the upscaling as does the appleTV 4k /forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

the only thing feeding 1080p is our free to air TV box...but that stuff PQ is average at best. however still quite watchable /forum/images/smilies/smile.gif
Good to know. How about black level uniformity on completely black screen? I currently own the Sony VPL-VW285ES. For anyone that has seen/used that projector before and moved to the JVC RS2000, How is the video quality and black level comparable?
there are some light corners 🙂 like previous gen. am not missing anything contrast wise vs my previous gen x7000 though there’s always better I guess 🙂 I would be very surprised if were not super impressed over the 285es
 

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there are some light corners 🙂 like previous gen. am not missing anything contrast wise vs my previous gen x7000 though there’s always better I guess 🙂 I would be very surprised if were not super impressed over the 285es
I have to admit Ive have not noticed any Light corners on mine. Ill have to look again.
 

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Good to know. How about black level uniformity on completely black screen? I currently own the Sony VPL-VW285ES. For anyone that has seen/used that projector before and moved to the JVC RS2000, How is the video quality and black level comparable?
If your buying a lamp based projector than the way to go is JVC. It has DTM and your able to do more with Jvc regarding calibration than what you can do with Sony.

Edit: will add that with Sony to do a 11 point gamma calibration you require a Sony pro software which is not available to the public. You will also require specialised meters that cost quite a bit.
 

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I recently bought a RS2000 but also decided to keep my RS500, using it for 3D and saving the time and hassle of trying to sell it. I set the remote code for each projector to A and B, respectively. The Power On button for each remote seems to turn on both projectors at the same time. Is there an easy fix for this to prevent from happening every time that I want to only to turn on 1 of the projectors? I also have a Harmony Elite remote but same issue.
 

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Good to know. How about black level uniformity on completely black screen? I currently own the Sony VPL-VW285ES. For anyone that has seen/used that projector before and moved to the JVC RS2000, How is the video quality and black level comparable?
A JVC with the worst bright corners, in the area where the corners are the brightest, will still be *far* darker than whatever that 285ES can do. The difference in an N7 and 285ES will be quite huge in black level performance even if you had the worst bright corners ever reported. Most people cant even notice bright corners on JVC. Its really an overblown issue in my opinion.
 

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I recently bought a RS2000 but also decided to keep my RS500, using it for 3D and saving the time and hassle of trying to sell it. I set the remote code for each projector to A and B, respectively. The Power On button for each remote seems to turn on both projectors at the same time. Is there an easy fix for this to prevent from happening every time that I want to only to turn on 1 of the projectors? I also have a Harmony Elite remote but same issue.
When I ran dual projectors, my solution was to use a wifi powered power plug and kill power to the projector that wasn't going to be in use. My reason for doing this was different than yours (it had to do with EDID being broadcast when projector was still off), but the premise is the same.
 

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glad you are enjoying some :)

what nits of FL you are achieving on screen, a 160" scope screen which his equivalent to 170" 16:9 zoomed ? that is a lot of inches to fill indeed curious what you are achieving :)
I'm certainly enjoying the huge improvement over my RS400 - so no worries there! :) Just because I'm wanting to improve it all that I can doesn't mean I still can't enjoy the ride! ;)

And correct - zooming to fill the 147" width of my 2.35:1 screen is equivalent to using an almost 169" 16:9 image. Using the Light Meter with my Note 8 I'm reading a little over 100 nits, wide open, in high lamp. I just bought a Dr. Meter, and will repeat/confirm those measurements as soon as I get it mounted. When I add the DCR lens, I'll get an additional 30%+ bump in light, so things are looking pretty good on the brightness side of things.
 
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