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I'm not a native English speaker so there might be lost in translation;), but my question was very simple. Have you seen Z1 picture by yourself or your argument is totally based on opinions or numbers posted here.



Other thread is about how to calibrate Z1 in HDR and I'm not seeking any argument.


Oz is one of the first if not THE FIRST in Australia to own one. And he's had a lot of projectors through his room.

I know you've had no issues with yours either being one of the first in the world to own it - in Japan.

I am guessing the guys who are happy with the Z1 are somehow placing the projector in a sweet spot and using the settings that somehow makes the deficiencies less noticeable.
 

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I was also told today that Sony will have their 1100ES replacement, which will be a 4K Laser with 2500 lumens at $25k. It will be built using the new 4K Laser engine of their Ultra short throw VPL-VZ1000ES.
I heard the exact same thing but it seemed way out there and even posted a thread to see if anyone else heard anything.

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Being that the new short throw version is shipping in in April, I have no doubt the standard projector version will be ready for shipment just shortly after Cedia.

From what I understand the specs are identical and that the light engine is basically the same. All it needs is basically a new chassis and standard lens, and it's good to go!
 
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Oz, would love to hear more of your comparisons to both the 5000ES and the RS600. I have both the 5000ES and the RS600. They both are fantastic projectors.

The RS600 throws an incredible image, especially with 4K content, considering the price. I use the RS600 on a much smaller screen than the 5000ES, but I agree that it would be very hard for most people to tell the difference between true 4K and Eshift 4K with real content.

The biggest limitation of the RS600 is its light output.

I have pre-ordered the RS4500, to compare to the 5000ES and the RS600, but I'm having second thought, based on the feedback so far.

I was also told today that Sony will have their 1100ES replacement, which will be a 4K Laser with 2500 lumens at $25k. It will be built using the new 4K Laser engine of their Ultra short throw VPL-VZ1000ES.

I was wondering how large your screen was again? Seems you have had plenty of units to compare the RS4500, and in a real home theater environment.

Thanks for sharing your experience. I look forward to hearing more.
I didn't know a 1100ES replacement was in the works and in the $25 bracket , fantastic! If they can get this calibrated around the 2000lumen mark, add FI at 4K and keep the price in that range, it will certainly be on my radar .
I'd expect modest increases in contrast since this is a much lower lumen output projector than the VW5000 and they already have a proven platform . I'm not hung up on the laser though, both JVC and Sony are doing
very well with a lamp. Either bumping the JVC RS series with a more powerful lamp or laser is the only necessary change with that platform, why mess with that which works extremely well . Obviously 4K and the WGP or JVC
processing is not a match made in heaven, it just blows my mind they did not figure that out before bringing this Z1 to market .
 

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They took my money today, and I guess maybe mine will ship tomorrow. I should have it by Friday I hope, which gives me the weekend to install it. So by this time next week hopefully there will be more reports from more people on more units. :)
Awesome. Hopefully they will run my card in the next day or so. Excited to get this bad boy up and running.
 

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Oz, would love to hear more of your comparisons to both the 5000ES and the RS600. I have both the 5000ES and the RS600. They both are fantastic projectors.

The RS600 throws an incredible image, especially with 4K content, considering the price. I use the RS600 on a much smaller screen than the 5000ES, but I agree that it would be very hard for most people to tell the difference between true 4K and Eshift 4K with real content.

The biggest limitation of the RS600 is its light output.

I have pre-ordered the RS4500, to compare to the 5000ES and the RS600, but I'm having second thought, based on the feedback so far.

I was also told today that Sony will have their 1100ES replacement, which will be a 4K Laser with 2500 lumens at $25k. It will be built using the new 4K Laser engine of their Ultra short throw VPL-VZ1000ES.

I was wondering how large your screen was again? Seems you have had plenty of units to compare the RS4500, and in a real home theater environment.

Thanks for sharing your experience. I look forward to hearing more.
I didn't know a 1100ES replacement was in the works and in the $25 bracket , fantastic! If they can get this calibrated around the 2000lumen mark, add FI at 4K and keep the price in that range, it will certainly be on my radar .
I'd expect modest increases in contrast since this is a much lower lumen output projector than the VW5000 and they already have a proven platform . I'm not hung up on the laser though, both JVC and Sony are doing
very well with a lamp. Either bumping the JVC RS series with a more powerful lamp or laser is the only necessary change with that platform, why mess with that which works extremely well . Obviously 4K and the WGP or JVC
processing is not a match made in heaven, it just blows my mind they did not figure that out before bringing this Z1 to market .
Agree with what you said in regards to adding a Laser to the RS series. I think that would take those projectors to new heights! The RS series is already fantastic and Eshift works incredibly well with 4K content
 

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I, too, saw the RS4500 at CEDIA and while I thought it threw an incredible picture, compared to an RS500/600, it didn't blow me away. I have seen the Sony 5000 as well (in a couple of dealers and at multiple venues in CEDIA 2016) and it also did not blow me away, and, in fact, I much prefer my RS500 for my screen size (120" width) compared to the 5000.

I suppose if I had a much larger screen, (maybe 14 feet wide), I might have more interest in the technology. I have owned a number of projectors, starting with a Sony 1251 in the early 90's, Runco 980, the original JVC digital (hated it), Marquis 9500 (LOVED it - except for constant tweeting), RS2, RS55, Sony 600ES and now the RS500. This RS500 has brought more to the enjoyment of my theater and it is the only time I have not had any desire to have whatever is considered better. And just as importantly, my wife actually noticed the huge improvement this PJ offered over our previous one.

Eventually the JVC laser technology will get both much more affordable and much better but until then, the RS500/600 is the absolute steal in value of home theater projectors - at least to my eyes.
 

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Considering that you are coming from a Sony 1100, I will be very curious to know how you compare the JVC 4500 to it. I upgraded from a Sony HW40ES to an Epson 10500, which was a large leap in price for me, after initially considering going with the Sony 1100.

I went to Cedia and I was hooked on laser projectors, especially since I enjoy watching on my projector like I would a TV. Seeing a JVC light up a 16 foot x 9 foot screen was amazing to me, and was my inspiration for my wall-to-wall 159" wide 16x9 screen in my home theater. I still actually have dreams of my time at Cedia watching the JVC 4500.
Mark H went from a 1100 to the 4500. Said it was a big improvement.
 

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I, too, saw the RS4500 at CEDIA and while I thought it threw an incredible picture, compared to an RS500/600, it didn't blow me away. I have seen the Sony 5000 as well (in a couple of dealers and at multiple venues in CEDIA 2016) and it also did not blow me away, and, in fact, I much prefer my RS500 for my screen size (120" width) compared to the 5000.

I suppose if I had a much larger screen, (maybe 14 feet wide), I might have more interest in the technology. I have owned a number of projectors, starting with a Sony 1251 in the early 90's, Runco 980, the original JVC digital (hated it), Marquis 9500 (LOVED it - except for constant tweeting), RS2, RS55, Sony 600ES and now the RS500. This RS500 has brought more to the enjoyment of my theater and it is the only time I have not had any desire to have whatever is considered better. And just as importantly, my wife actually noticed the huge improvement this PJ offered over our previous one.

Eventually the JVC laser technology will get both much more affordable and much better but until then, the RS500/600 is the absolute steal in value of home theater projectors - at least to my eyes.
Possible the Sony 5000 is not appropriate for smaller screens and throws out too much light making the image looked slightly washed out compared to your RS500.
 
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Possible the Sony 5000 is not appropriate for smaller screens and throws out too much light making the image looked slightly washed out compared to your RS500.
Well, even in the realm of wide ranging, differing opinions, its really difficult to understand the preference of the RS500 vs the 5000. The 500 does not have the lens, true 4k panels, stable image, and light output among other differences. Different prices, different capabilities.

adidino - you've seen the 5000 in my theater, an 11 foot wide screen. Every lumen available is necessary for true P3/HDR. I think this is the thing that many are forgetting. There was nothing washed out with Pacific Rim UHD:eek:

I owned the RS600 before the 5000. They are different projectors in so many ways, a comparison is a thought experiment, not a real-world one.
 

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Well, even in the realm of wide ranging, differing opinions, its really difficult to understand the preference of the RS500 vs the 5000. The 500 does not have the lens, true 4k panels, stable image, and light output among other differences. Different prices, different capabilities.

adidino - you've seen the 5000 in my theater, an 11 foot wide screen. Every lumen available is necessary for true P3/HDR. I think this is the thing that many are forgetting. There was nothing washed out with Pacific Rim UHD:eek:

I owned the RS600 before the 5000. They are different projectors in so many ways, a comparison is a thought experiment, not a real-world one.
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Possible the Sony 5000 is not appropriate for smaller screens and throws out too much light making the image looked slightly washed out compared to your RS500.
I first saw the Sony 5000 on a 196" screen and then again on some larger screens at CEDIA. I am not suggesting that the 5000 is not a super projector but at $60,000 and for us mere mortals, it does not provide any real benefit (to me).
 

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I first saw the Sony 5000 on a 196" screen and then again on some larger screens at CEDIA. I am not suggesting that the 5000 is not a super projector but at $60,000 and for us mere mortals, it does not provide any real benefit (to me).
But cost and affordability, important factors for sure, are not relevant when describing objective differences is capabilities and performance. They come at the end, when determining if there is a worth/capability to purchase on an individual basis.
 

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Well, even in the realm of wide ranging, differing opinions, its really difficult to understand the preference of the RS500 vs the 5000. The 500 does not have the lens, true 4k panels, stable image, and light output among other differences. Different prices, different capabilities.

adidino - you've seen the 5000 in my theater, an 11 foot wide screen. Every lumen available is necessary for true P3/HDR. I think this is the thing that many are forgetting. There was nothing washed out with Pacific Rim UHD:eek:

I owned the RS600 before the 5000. They are different projectors in so many ways, a comparison is a thought experiment, not a real-world one.

Me checking out the 5000 at Thrang's place.
 

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But cost and affordability, important factors for sure, are not relevant when describing objective differences is capabilities and performance. They come at the end, when determining if there is a worth/capability to purchase on an individual basis.
Correct. BUT, price (and lumens) not withstanding, at least in the 3 or 4 venues I have seen the 5000, it did not push any of MY buttons.

Confession: "Perfect" audio is far, far more important to me than "perfect" video and is much higher on the scale of things that pull me into a movie and provide a more immersive experience. While I was willing spend $25,000 on a surround processor, I would never consider doing that for a projector with what is available on the market today [got close when I purchased the Marquee 9500]. Or, maybe a better way to say it as it relates to this thread, "the JVC RS500 is more than 'good enough' for me given all of the projector options currently available".
 

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Correct. BUT, price (and lumens) not withstanding, at least in the 3 or 4 venues I have seen the 5000, it did not push any of MY buttons.

Confession: "Perfect" audio is far, far more important to me than "perfect" video and is much higher on the scale of things that pull me into a movie and provide a more immersive experience. While I was willing spend $25,000 on a surround processor, I would never consider doing that for a projector with what is available on the market today [got close when I purchased the Marquee 9500]. Or, maybe a better way to say it as it relates to this thread, "the JVC RS500 is more than 'good enough' for me given all of the projector options currently available".
I think the thing is that with the advent of UHD/HDR, the value of video has increased, its just the price to leverage it is generally high right now.
 

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Agree with what you said in regards to adding a Laser to the RS series. I think that would take those projectors to new heights! The RS series is already fantastic and Eshift works incredibly well with 4K content
JVC already has laser eshift in their simulation projectors. Only 1000 lumens though.
I don't consider that anywhere near the same, as that was designed for a specialty market.

There is no reason we can't or won't see an RS600 with Laser that has as much or more light output along with HDR and WCG.

Sony is getting ready to have a 4K Laser in a smaller chassis so I'm sure JVC should be able to accomplish the same, without sacrificing the excellent native contrast of their lastest Eshift panels
 

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I don't consider that anywhere near the same, as that was designed for a specialty market.

There is no reason we can't or won't see an RS600 with Laser that has as much or more light output along with HDR and WCG.

Sony is getting ready to have a 4K Laser in a smaller chassis so I'm sure JVC should be able to accomplish the same, without sacrificing the excellent native contrast of their lastest Eshift panels
They've been getting that ready for 3 years. Not sure what the hold up is.
 
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