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UOfficial Kaleidescape Alto Owners Thread
*note AVS plans to create a better category for devices like this, but for now it was directed as best fit for this category.

Now that the Alto is shipping and we have some owners, it was time for an owners thread. Below are some links to the product, and previous AVS threads.

Kaleidescape Alto - manufacturer's site http://www.kaleidescape.com/products/alto/

Initial AVSForum look – Kaleidescape Alto Movie Player Debuts for $2500 http://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-blu-ray-players/1791242-kaleidescape-alto-movie-player-debuts-2500-a.html

Kaleidescape Alto Official AVSForum Review - http://http://www.avsforum.com/forum/184-video-download-services-hardware/1878409-kaleidescape-alto-official-avsforum-review.html


Firmware:
6.2.0. August 13, 2015

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Child’s Remote

Vault : DV 700, existing vault can be used through Alto with software version update to 6.2.0. 8/17/15
 

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Let me guess-expanding storage is ONLY possible with $$$ manufacturer storage racks, movies are just as expensive or more expensive than a bluray disc, movies can be blocked from viewing by content holders depending on what deals with others and this detail is no made avaliable to the purchaser of a title, and you cannot rip your own BD/DVD disc onto this devices hard drive, and purchased titles will ONLY work with the particular machine they are purchased on, and there is NO way to backup titles if the internal storage becomes full to an external HDD so that you dont have to delete it and download it again?

No thanks-way overpriced and few if any here will be owners unless the manufacturer donates these things for reviews/exposure.
 

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Let me guess-expanding storage is ONLY possible with $$$ manufacturer storage racks, movies are just as expensive or more expensive than a bluray disc, movies can be blocked from viewing by content holders depending on what deals with others and this detail is no made avaliable to the purchaser of a title, and you cannot rip your own BD/DVD disc onto this devices hard drive, and purchased titles will ONLY work with the particular machine they are purchased on, and there is NO way to backup titles if the internal storage becomes full to an external HDD so that you dont have to delete it and download it again?

No thanks-way overpriced and few if any here will be owners unless the manufacturer donates these things for reviews/exposure.
Expansion does require additional Kaleidescape equipment. That's sort of a no-brainer. These are end-user pieces, not custom HTPCs.

The Kaleidescape marketplace has competitively priced material, and for those that buy titles (especially seasons of shows) early, the deals can actually be rather astounding. Also, they are the only provider which does full 1:1 BD replication (including all audio and extra materials) through the streaming market.

The titles are yours. You buy them and own them the same as you would a disc, but without it taking up physical space on the shelf, only space on your HDD. No, if Kaleidescape and a studio have a falling out, you do not lose the title.

Kaleidescape stopped DVD support late last year. BD on the other hand, they do support if you have one of their vaults. If you do have a BD vault, it will both rip and store the disc. That's the compromise they needed to reach in order to get full licensing and avoid further lawsuits. Ripping without being able to verify the existence of the physical disc violates the agreement. The exception to this is any title the user links to the online marketplace.

As far as "backing up" to an external HDD, it sounds more like you are describing just a simple need for more storage, which is not the same thing. Yes, you can purchase an expansion to increase your storage. However, this is not now and was never, intended to be a solution for those with "large collections". This is a device for users with moderately sized libraries that want an exceptional GUI experience and the very best quality of features on a plug-and-play device. For those few people out there that have large or even massive collections, there is the Premiere line at Kaleidescape which theoretically has no limit to the size of the library supported.

As for overpriced, that's entirely subjective. I only know a handful of people that could put together something equal or better in performance, style, size, and user-friendliness for much less. It becomes even more problematic if one wants to eliminate even the faintest hint of piracy by the end-user, especially if BDs are going to retain all features and full menu support.
 

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A quick look at some movie prices.

Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part1 is $14.97 in the Kscape store, and $19.99 at Best Buy.

Lucy is $14.97 in Kscape store with UV digital copy, and $24.99 at Best Buy with DVD and UV copy.

These are a couple of examples. There are some that may be more expensive, I think I have run across a couple.

I have purchased some of the movies from the KScape store with UV copy and have watched on other devices, I.E. VUDU app on my IPad.
 

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Some other information on downloads.

I have been downloading a bunch of movies since I got mine, a combination of some I already had in my UV library, some disc to digital conversions through the Kscape store, and straight purchases through the Kscape store.

I have 40Mbps DSL service. Downloads seem to hover around 20Mbps, caught some at 10 and have seen as high as 30. Most of the downloads seem to be around 3 hours 15 minutes, but varied between 2 to 4 hours.

Some of the movies will trigger multiple downloads for the various versions of the movie (Blade Runner) and others will contain the multiple versions in single download(Close Encounters of the Third Kind)
 

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Subscribed. My experience has been stellar. I have Xfinity Extreme (150MBPS connection). Most of my downloads happen at around 85 to 90MBPS.

I am eagerly waiting for vault and I may end up buying a second unit for my bedroom.

Cheers

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Some information on collections for grouping your movies.

There a couple of preset collection options for the movies.
-Child (for only displaying selected movies on the kids remote)
- Favorites
- Watch soon

I also created my own, easy to do. I created one called "No Disc Required" for the movies that are catalogued and don't require me to insert the disc for easy reference.
 

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Some information on collections for grouping your movies.

There a couple of preset collection options for the movies.
-Child (for only displaying selected movies on the kids remote)
- Favorites
- Watch soon

I also created my own, easy to do. I created one called "No Disc Required" for the movies that are catalogued and don't require me to insert the disc for easy reference.
That is a neat idea. I was thinking how to identify. I did create a Collection called 007 Movies, to collect all Bond Movies.


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BTW there is an easy and legal way to get Kaleidescape digital downloads for about $5 - buy people's UV codes which they post online. Since UV and K-scape have a deal - you will get the Kaleidescape version at no additional charge.

Having said that - $2,500 is affordable compared to where it used to be. But every time I get close to pulling the trigger (and I do get close - I'm sick of storing blu-rays) - I ask myself if an Alto is HONESTLY the best use I have for that $2,500 - and the answer is always a resounding "no."

I think when K-scape hits $995 (and it surely will - just may be another year or so) - I will pull the trigger.
 
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I have a large library of UltraViolet movies. The appeal of this device to me is that I can keep a rotating selection of new releases handy in full Blu-Ray quality without sacrificing any of the convenience of UV. With a little planning, I can download whatever I want to watch that weekend in advance. I am waiting to see if the Kaleidescape library expands to encompass every UV title I own on Vudu. I am also hopeful that they will sign on with Disney Movies Anywhere. If the library is there and this drops to a $999, I am all over it.
 

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BTW there is an easy and legal way to get Kaleidescape digital downloads for about $5 - buy people's UV codes which they post online. Since UV and K-scape have a deal - you will get the Kaleidescape version at no additional charge.

Having said that - $2,500 is affordable compared to where it used to be. But every time I get close to pulling the trigger (and I do get close - I'm sick of storing blu-rays) - I ask myself if an Alto is HONESTLY the best use I have for that $2,500 - and the answer is always a resounding "no."

I think when K-scape hits $995 (and it surely will - just may be another year or so) - I will pull the trigger.
Good one... Imagine this, Buy an "instawatch" title at walmart and you get the movie added instantly to your vudu library (and therefore usually UV)... you can re-sell (or even return) the movie with it's UV code intact.... the possibilities are endless.
 

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One of the reasons why I have a huge UV library is that I can generally buy codes on the secondary market for less than half what I would pay on Vudu. There are quite a few online stores that sell UV and DMA codes. The deals for older releases tend to be less compelling, but you cannot beat scoring new release movies for $5-9 and new release series for $10-15 season. I also used the disc-to-digital program to upgrade hundreds of movies that I own on DVD. My Vudu library should hit a thousand titles this year, so the idea behind the Alto is very alluring.
 

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Has Kaleidescape announced if there will be an upgrade path to 4K for the Cinema One and Alto? According to hometheaterreview's just-published review of the new laser Epson projectors, we are only 6 months out from 4K Blu Ray.
 

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Subscribed. My experience has been stellar. I have Xfinity Extreme (150MBPS connection). Most of my downloads happen at around 85 to 90MBPS.

I am eagerly waiting for vault and I may end up buying a second unit for my bedroom.

Cheers

Raj
Now that I have the Alto almost full with downloads, I am too starting to think about the Vault. I don't necessarily need another player yet(waiting for 4k compatibility). But would be good to have for the titles that are not available on the KScape store yet. Seems like majority of mine are Disney and 20th Century Fox at the moment, and couple of foreign titles.

I am curious as to what the Vault disc capacity would be, and if there would be disc drive for additional storage. Would it be the 320 disc capacity similar to the premier line or smaller.

:)Also note that the KScape store has some sales under the "Collections" heading in the store. There are some titles that are available for $4.95 right now (like Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, Underworld, Resident Evil, and Harry Potter) and some have UV with that.
 

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Now that I have the Alto almost full with downloads, I am too starting to think about the Vault. I don't necessarily need another player yet(waiting for 4k compatibility). But would be good to have for the titles that are not available on the KScape store yet. Seems like majority of mine are Disney and 20th Century Fox at the moment, and couple of foreign titles.

I am curious as to what the Vault disc capacity would be, and if there would be disc drive for additional storage. Would it be the 320 disc capacity similar to the premier line or smaller.

:)Also note that the KScape store has some sales under the "Collections" heading in the store. There are some titles that are available for $4.95 right now (like Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, Underworld, Resident Evil, and Harry Potter) and some have UV with that.
Yup I saw that and my Alto is almost full :). They did talk about additional hard disk and vault, but no other details released. All I know about Vault is, it needs some software/hardware upgrade to play Discs as old cinema ones only validated the presence of DVD/Blu Ray.

Cheers

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Already into latter half of March and no new announcements from K. Was hoping to see more studio support and hardware roadmap by now. Guess I will keep waiting with a watchful. Hopefully something big happens soon.
 

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Has Kaleidescape announced if there will be an upgrade path to 4K for the Cinema One and Alto? According to hometheaterreview's just-published review of the new laser Epson projectors, we are only 6 months out from 4K Blu Ray.
They have said they are working on a 4K player that should be available this year but not the specifics so we don't know what that means for the Alto yet.

http://www.cepro.com/article/cedia_2014_how_kaleidescape_will_stay_relevant_with_content_4k_cost/
 
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