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Welcome Owners and prospective buyers of the 2016 LeEco UMax85.

Hats off to @thomasfxlt from whom I've "borrowed" the organization of the information here. This is my first ever Owner's thread but I really like his and I hope he doesn't mind us emulating it here.

UPDATES TO THIS THREAD

2018-MAY-29: Much belated addition of the Firmware instructions for both U.S. and Chinese versions. Also added a note to the Overview about LeEco's failure in the US market.

2017-JUN-16: Added info about 3D glasses.

OLDER UPDATES
2017-APR-14: Official Umax85 wall mount is now available. Added a mount link and description. Moved calibration info to the 2nd post in this thread.

2017-APR-13: Improved the formatting a little more. Added a section for checking the HDR mode. Updated the Remote Control info. Added a link to the LeForums thread about the menu vs calibration.

2017-APR-06: Marked some issues as resolved and added new issues after Firmware Release 5.8.055S_0321. Also added new info about 3D Glasses.

2017-APR-04: Added Firmware Release Notes for Version 5.8.055S_0321

2017-FEB-02: Ethernet/Wifi tip in troubleshooting;

2017-FEB-01: Info on 3D glasses and official mount availability; added a link to the Quick Start guide; added this section for Updates; Moved the Overview to the top and added a few sentences; added How to update section; added notes on the 10-bit panel; added FALD to troubleshooting; Added @Arm3n's Remote Control info.

OVERVIEW
This thread is for UMax85 models only. It is not for any other LeEco TV models. I made this decision based on several factors, chief among them is that the UMax85 is unlike the other LeEco TVs in most respects. It's FALD, not edge-lit. It's a 10-bit panel, not 8-bit. It supports DolbyVision. In short, we've already seen reports of issues that affect the smaller TVs that don't seem to affect the UMax85 and vice versa, so this thread will focus only on the UMax85.

This thread is primarily an "owners" thread. The goal here is to help each other through the sharing of tips, settings, and other relevant information. If you're here to trash-talk the UMax85 series or to shamelessly promote the virtues of the display you chose instead of the UMax85, you'll be soundly thrashed for your ill behavior and sent on your way by our thread participants. There are plenty of other threads in the forum where folks can comparison shop, complain, disparage and troll.

I'm hoping we get attract regular thread members who spend regular time here helping people with their UMax85 displays. It's important to stay on-topic and not to clutter threads with side-conversations. This is also not a place to start a revolt or talk about the class-action lawsuit you intend to file because you burned your popcorn while you rebooted the display. if you purchased a UMax85 display and have issues, contact LeEco. If you have actionable information to share about how to avoid that issue, come here and share it. We will welcome you. If you have a concern or complaint, state it ONCE and then contact LeEco. We don't censor complaints, problems or suggestions. We do draw a line at doing it repeatedly. If you levy a threat against LeEco or antagonize/insult our helpful members in the process, you'll get reported and eventually banned if you persist. That's the way it is.

LeEco Has Abandoned The U.S. Market
As of 2018, LeEco as a company appears to have failed except for it's China offices and even those appear to be much smaller now. There is no U.S. support for existing U.S. UMax85 televisions. If you buy one, you will not have any way of automatically updating the firmware. The original promises of Dolby Vision support have been abandoned and the only way to get that feature on a U.S. TV is by loading the Chinese Firmware. The Chinese Firmware may have its own issues including the need to change the language to English and a few reports that the black levels are not as good as the US version. Your mileage may vary. Before you try it, read about its limitations in this thread.


A Little History
The UMax85 display was launched on November 2nd, 2016, though only a few sets were available on that date and they sold out in under 9 seconds. Another batch was sold on Black Friday at the same low price (which we will not discuss in this thread). This sale turned out to be a pre-sale and multiple batches were sold in the first 24 hours before LeEco cut off the sale. Both sales were viewed by many as poorly handled by LeEco. While there was much nashing of teeth over LeEco's communication style and other issues, most early adopters found the sets to be worth the wait.

It took over a month for the first few sets to arrive. The first TVs from the Black Friday sale arrived at the end of January, 2017 and - as of this writing - are expected to continue arriving in batches through April. The success of the display can be attributed to its very low price, the inclusion of HDR10 and FALD, and eventual adoption of DolbyVision in a future firmware update. Sporting a native 10-bit panel, it supports a Wide Color Gamut covering over 90% of DCI-P3. It is an Android TV with some of the best hardware available to date and it supports setup via an Android phone or tablet as well as the use of "Google Casting" for playing streamed content.

LeEco User Experience Program
This program is now dead in the U.S. market. If you have issues with your TV, your best bet is to seek assistance in this thread.

Reviews
No mainstream U.S. reviews were ever published for this TV.

Firmware Releases
U.S. Firmware
5.8.056S_0420 (APR 2017)

This is available from:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19y3ua_wawRT68GxupcJR9WGgLXhCwLX_/view

Release Notes in spoiler.

Improved HDR entertainment
Enhanced gamma logic brings you a more vivid and realistic
experience when viewing HDR (High Dynamic Range) content.

CEC certification
LeEco TVs now have improved CEC support, so you can use your remote to control third party, CEC-supported devices, such as Apple TV(4th generation), Amazon Fire and more.

Simplified input
Access TV input sources faster by holding down the source button on your remote.

AV syncing
Audio-video sync has been fixed to resolve delays that occurred in certain conditions.

Closed captioning
Among other accessibility feature enhancements, you can now activate closed captioning by long-pressing your Settings button.

Home screen default
Added option to start your TV at home screen on startup. This setting is optional and can be updated under the Settings menu.

App updates
Freshen up your experience with newer versions of Google, partner and LeEco apps.

Security updates
Updated to January 2017 version of Android™ security patch.

System update alerts
Stay up to speed with improved system update notifications that will prompt you whenever there is a new software update.

Improved look & feel
Enjoy a cleaner interface with new icon designs and a sleeker appearance.

LeZone
Your LeZone experience is now better than ever with an improved layout for streamlined content curation.

Bug fixes:
  • Resolved issue that caused mute icon to appear when not in use
  • Added support for HDR on PS4 Pro
  • Added 5.1 Advanced Audio Coding (AAC) channel support
  • Fixed audio and video sync
  • Fixed Netflix 4K video green screen
  • Updated security patch
  • Improved overall system stability


China Firmware
The last US firmware version (5.8.056S from April 2017) supports Dolby Vision for content played from the TV's USB ports.
The primary reason to change to the Chinese Firmware is to get support for Dolby Vision over HDMI.

The two most recent releases are:
EUI6.0.059S (NOV 2017)
EUI6.5.064S (MAR 2018)

They are available from:
http://ui.letv.com/website/downloads/72.html
Instructions are in the spoiler below.

USING CHINA FIRMWARE
Instructions For Using China Firmware

Thanks to @snpanago.

WARNING: DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK.
USING ANOTHER COUNTRY's FIRMWARE ON YOUR TV COULD "BRICK" YOUR TV, MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO USE.

PRO TIP: Stand close to TV pointing remote at center of TV and hold each button for a good 1-2 seconds.
METHOD FOR LOADING CHINA FIRMWARE
Remember...Changing your firmware is your choice!
If you do this you accept all responsibility for whatever may happen to your TV.



  1. Use a program to format a USB drive as FAT32.
  2. Download the Chinese firmware:

    These recent versions are reported by some forum users to work:
    EUI6.0.059S (NOV 2017)
    EUI6.5.064S (MAR 2018)
    http://ui.letv.com/website/downloads/72.html
  3. Rename the firmware file to update.zip
  4. Copy update.zip to the USB drive.
  5. Insert the drive into one of the TV’s USB slots.
  6. In the TV Menus, go to System Setting.
  7. Choose General
  8. Choose System update
  9. Choose Offline update
    It will ask you if you want to do the update.
  10. If you get any warnings about the conflict between US and CN firmware, acknowledge and keep going.
    The update will take a while. Please be patient.
  11. If prompted, click “Reboot”.
    On rebooting, the TV enters a startup loop. THIS IS NORMAL and you need to interrupt it with a Factory Reset.
  12. Use the physical ON/OFF switch (bottom left side of the TV) to turn the TV OFF.
  13. Count to 15
  14. Use the physical ON/OFF switch to turn the TV ON and wait for it to enter Standby Mode (red light at bottom of screen).
  15. Use this special remote command to reset the TV: SETTING (Cog/Gear icon), VOL+, CH+, CH-, VOL-, POWER
    The TV will boot up as normal and some advertisement will show up, but it will all be in Chinese. The Google Translate app on your phone allows you to point your camera at Chinese and see it in English.
  16. Choose option 2 to skip the tutorial setup.
  17. Choose option 1 to confirm.
  18. Click “SETUP” button (cog/gear icon) on the remote.
  19. Choose option 1 to open SYSTEM SETTING.
  20. Choose option 3 for GENERAL.
  21. Choose option 2 for TIME AND LANGUAGE on the left side.
  22. Choose option 3 on the right for “LANGUAGE”.
  23. Change “ENGLISH” and you are good to go.
    The menus should all be in English now.


METHOD FOR RETURNING TO U.S. FIRMWARE

Thanks to @AndrewMahon


  1. Use a program to format a USB drive as FAT32.
  2. Download the U.S. firmware.
  3. Rename the firmware file to update.zip
  4. Copy update.zip to the USB drive.
  5. Use the physical ON/OFF switch (bottom left side of the TV) to turn the TV OFF.
  6. Insert the drive into one of the TV’s USB slots.
  7. On the back of the TV locate the VOL+ button.
    Press and HOLD VOL+ while you use the physical ON/OFF switch to turn the TV ON.
  8. Keep holding the VOL+ until you see the screen turn on and a progress bar is displayed.
  9. Release the VOL+ button.
  10. Wait for the update to complete and the TV to reboot and display the LeEco logo.
    This will take a bit of time as it's flashing the full firmware.
  11. Use the physical ON/OFF switch (bottom left side of the TV) to turn the TV OFF.
  12. Remove the USB stick.
  13. Use the physical ON/OFF switch to turn the TV ON and wait for it to enter Standby Mode (red light at bottom of screen).
  14. Use this special remote command to reset the TV: SETTING (Cog/Gear icon), VOL+, CH+, CH-, VOL-, POWER


Remote Control
Credit to @Arm3n for this info.
If you have a Logitech Harmony remote, several owners have been working to get theirs working with the UMax85.
@Arm3n started a thread in the Logitech forums and another in the LeEco forums.

Logitech seems to be making headway on this as well.

@Arm3n also updated his workaround after the April firmware update.

In addition, @daniel17693 posted this regarding his remote control experiences.


ARC Information
The UMax85 supports ARC. The ARC feature does not return all types of audio to your receiver.


How can I check for HDR Signals?
The UMax85 supports HDR. When you switch to an HDR source, the TV briefly displays "HDR" in the top left corner. If you miss it and you want to know if the signal you're watching is HDR, you can check this in the Picture Settings. The normal picture menu lets you choose between different "modes" such as Energy Saving, Standard, Game, or Movie. You can use this menu to define unique settings for each mode (e.g. the brightness, color, and other settings).

When the TV enters HDR mode, it hides the normal picture modes and shows the HDR mode. You can edit the settings for this mode just like you do the other modes, but only if the TV is currently in HDR mode.

To open the picture menu, press the gear button (middle button at the top of the remote). Choose Picture. If the signal you are watching is HDR, you will see "HDR" mode instead of one of the normal settings (e.g. Movie).

3D Glasses
The UMax85 supports 3D and comes with 2 pairs of active 3D glasses. It is Active 3D, rather than passive. Extra glasses from LeEco are not currently available in the USA and as of 6/15/2017 there is no date for their release.

The glasses are LBTN10 models. Some Chinese websites such as YOYCART have these in stock for $10 to $20, but the shipping from China is expensive (~$30). If you have any Chinese friends or co-workers, you can ask them to buy them in China and bring them back.

They can look at this web site to find the right item: https://www.englishtaobao.net/Produ...glasses_3d_glasses_lbtn10_le_super_tv_battery

I bought 4 pair of glasses this way and it cost ~$44. The glasses came individually wrapped in thin cardboard boxes and bubble wrap. Each box was sealed with a LeEco sticker. Inside the boxes, the glasses were exactly the same as what comes with the TV - each pair wrapped individually in a foam bag and the lenses covered by special lens protectors. The glasses themselves work great. I even bought a little case on Amazon to hold them and keep them dust-free. (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KMMQWN4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

My friends brought the glasses back in their luggage, no problem. They offered to get more because they are easy.
I'm happy to order more this way if anyone wants them. You just have to be patient because I can't predict when they will travel.
Shipping in the US is $6 flat rate via USPS, so a pair would cost you $28 total.
If you want me to get some for you, please send a private message to @legolad.


The Official LeEco UMax85 Wall Mount
The Quick Start Guide mentions an official TV Mount for the UMax85. This product is now available for $30 on the LeMall web site.

This is a very basic flat wall mount with no ability to change the angle at all. If you don't need to adjust your wall-mounted TV at all, then this is a good product at a fair price.

If you need something more flexible, there are some articulating mounts out there. I'm currently using this 2xHome mount which I got from Amazon for $55. It holds up to 176 lbs (the UMax85 without feet is just under 150lbs). This mount tilts up and down 15 degrees. It can swivel left and right for a total of 180 degrees of motion. It also extends out from the wall about 26" (though I'm not brave enough to keep it extended with my UMax85). It comes with a spirit level you can glue to the mount to help you keep it level. It also comes with all the necessary screws and bolts.

How to Update Your UMax85 TV
http://forum.le.com/us/index.php?threads/how-to-update-your-new-ecotv.3753/


UMAX85 Specifications
The full specs can be found here: http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/f2997e9
The LeEco product page is here: http://www.lemall.com/us/tv/leeco_umax85/index.html
The UMax85 Quick Start Guide is here: http://www.leeco.com/content/uploads/2017/01/uMax85_user_Guide_20161017_Final_orig.pdf
The UMax85 User Manual is here: http://image2.lecloud.com/lemallus/...493a-a52b-d55b604dab83.pdf?0.4755284895355909

Simple Specs in the spoiler below.
DISPLAY FEATURES
  • 84.5 inch screen (measured diagonally)
  • 4K Ultra-HD (3840 x 2160) Resolution
  • Dolby Vision™ and HDR10
  • Fluid Motion™ 1920
  • 448 Local Dimming zones
  • 3D with Active Shutter Glasses

INTERNAL COMPONENTS
  • Mstar® 6A938 Processor
  • Cortex® A72 x2 + A53 x2 at 1.7GHz CPU
  • Multi-Core Mali™ T820 GPU
  • 64GB Flash Storage
  • 4GB RAM

WIRELESS AND AUDIO
  • Bluetooth® 4.1
  • Dual-Band 802.11b/g/n/ac WiFi
  • Dolby® Audio
  • DTS® Audio
  • Harmon Kardon® Audio

INPUTS/OUTPUTS
  • 2 x USB 3.0 (top and rear) Inputs
  • 1 x USB 2.0 Input
  • 3 x HDMI 2.0 Inputs
  • 3.5mm Audio Mini-Plug
  • RF (ATSC/NTSC) Input
  • VGA Input
  • A/V (Composite) Inputs
  • SPDIF (Optical) Output
  • Ethernet 10/100M


DIMENSIONS
  • 75 x 46 x 15.8 inches w/ Stand
  • 149.8 lbs w/ Stand
  • 75 x 42.8 x 2.4 inches w/o Stand
  • 141.6 lbs w/o Stand

Panel and Bit Depth
This is a matter of some controversy.
The LeEco answers in their forums say that the set has a 10-bit panel.
A few spec sites say the same thing, including the one linked above.

Some people, however, have pointed out that there are very few panels for sale that have the same specs as the UMax85, and all (most?) of them are 8-bit panels with FRC like this one: http://www.panelook.com/V850DK1-QS1 Rev.C4_Innolux_85_CELL_overview_26685.html

For now, unless LeEco confirms one way or the other, we will have to wait for someone to crack one open I guess.


TROUBLESHOOTING

CEC / ARC issues
STATUS: Open issue
Some users are reporting that CEC is working correctly after Firmware 0321.
Others are reporting that the TV forgets the EXTERNAL SPEAKER setting.

HDR handshake
STATUS: Open issue
Some users are reporting HDR Handshake issues where HDR sources are not recognized as HDR by the TV.
LeEco has acknowledged this and promised a fix in a future firmware.

TV's NetFlix App is grainy
STATUS: Open issue
Some users are reporting that the native NetFlix app has a grainy/noisy picture in certain shows including Iron Fist.

External NetFlix App is washed out
STATUS: Open issue
Some users are reporting that the NetFlix app in other devices such as Roku has a very washed out picture, particularly on HDR content.

Menus for TV Settings make calibration difficult
STATUS: Open issue
While not technically a bug, this is definitely a design issue. The menus for settings cover a significant portion of the screen and require multiple clicks to enter and exit. This makes it very difficult and time-consuming to adjust settings while looking at test patterns.

Here is the LeEco Support thread regarding this issue. I've replied on that thread with a design for a simple calibration menu. If you want a better way to calibrate, please let LeEco know that you want a calibration menu.


RESOLVED ISSUES

Network Issues
Wi-fi and ethernet seem to be mutually exclusive. If you activate ethernet, you need to turn turn off Wi-fi.
STATUS: RESOLVED. It's a feature, not a bug.
FEATURE IDEA: It would be more elegant to prompt the user with this message when she attaches an ethernet cable: "Wi-Fi is still enabled. Would you like to use the Ethernet cable instead?"


Blue Blob on Screen
STATUS: RESOLVED. Turns out this was caused by something pressing on the screen.
@hql37 reported a blue blob on the UMax85 screen:

@hql37 reported that he tapped lightly on the affected area and the screen became "unstuck" and the blue blob went away entirely.
PRO TIP: Be very careful not to press directly on the screen. Soft touches only.

FALD Issues
STATUS: RESOLVED.
UPDATE: This issue was fixed with the April 4 firmware version _0321.
There is an issue with FALD settings not working correctly. This is being discussed in the LeEco forums here: http://forum.le.com/us/index.php?threads/umax85-fald-doesnt-stay-on.4679/
The issue that the Local Dimming setting does not persist after the TV is turned off. The menu still shows that FALD is turned on, but it is not actually on.
WORKAROUND: Flipping the setting to Off and then back to On corrects the issue.
LeEco support is now saying they expect to see this fixed in a firmware release in February 2017. LeEco has received reports and logs from several of us but more logs can still help. If you are having this issue (or any other software issue), please sign up for the LeEco User Experience Program (see above) and submit a ticket with your logs.
 

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Calibration Post

The purpose of this post is to collect calibration information from owners. Of course, calibration is going to be unique to each room, not to mention each owner's taste. But for those who want a starting point, I thought we could use this post to collect picture settings. I'm starting this post with a little mild larceny (I've stolen @daniel17693's settings from his post on April 5.

If you would like me to add yours here, please reply to this post and use the format below:

Mode: [Non-HDR, HDR, or DolbyVision]
Light Control: [Total, Strong, Weak, None]

Brightness
Backlight:
Brightness:
Contrast:
Adaptive contrast:

Color
Saturation:
Hue:
Color temperature:

Clarity
Sharpness:
Noise reduction:

Motion
Motion:

Advanced
Gamma:
Color space:
White balance:
Select:
Step:
Red:
Green:
Blue:
Super white:
Super black:


Calibration Information
Calibration of the UMax85 is currently in its infancy. I've not seen or heard of any professional calibrations yet. Many users report that, out of the box, the UMax85 is accurate or very accurate and very pleasing to the eye. As more people submit their settings, I'll add them here.

Standard Settings
These are Non-HDR and Non-Dolby Vision settings.

From @daniel17693:

Light Control: [unknown]
Brightness
Backlight: 100
Brightness: 51
Contrast: 65
Adaptive contrast: Low

Color
Saturation: 55
Hue: 0
Color temperature: warm

Clarity
Sharpness: 55
Noise reduction: Off

Motion
Motion: High

Advanced
Gamma: 0
Color space: Native
White balance: 10 point
Select: On
Step: 10%
Red: 50
Green: 50
Blue: 50




DolbyVision Settings
TBD



HDR10 Settings

From @daniel17693:

Light Control: [unknown]
Brightness
Backlight: 100
Brightness: 51
Contrast: 65
Adaptive contrast: Low

Color
Saturation: 55
Hue: 0
Color temperature: warm

Clarity
Sharpness: 80
Noise reduction: Off

Motion
Motion: High

Advanced
Gamma: 0
Color space: Native
White balance: 10 point
Select: On
Step: 10%
Red: 50
Green: 50
Blue: 50
 

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Legoland, thank you for setting this up. Where did you find that the display is a true 10 bit rather than an 8 bit with FRC? I still have not heard anything regarding delivery of my set. I am just somewhat patiently waiting. Are you thinking of getting your set calibrated? Would love to see the set if that was possible.
 

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Legoland, thank you for setting this up. Where did you find that the display is a true 10 bit rather than an 8 bit with FRC? I still have not heard anything regarding delivery of my set. I am just somewhat patiently waiting. Are you thinking of getting your set calibrated? Would love to see the set if that was possible.
Hi B Howard.

I based the 10-bit panel info on the Spec web site I linked above. (http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/f2997e9)

I am thinking of getting it calibrated, but I thought I'd try my hand at DIY first. See how far I can take it myself. If I get it calibrated, I'll be sure to post the settings here.
 

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Congrats on finally receiving this beast!

Feel free to bring over my Harmony Remote setup posts. Also, do let us know if you're experiencing the same FALD non-stickiness issues a bunch of us are having - either way, would be good to post the LeEco forum links here regarding the issue.

Cheers!

P.S. Set to Movie mode, and set to Contrast to 75. Everything else was pretty spot on after my DIY calibration.
 

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Legoland, thank you for setting this up. Where did you find that the display is a true 10 bit rather than an 8 bit with FRC? I still have not heard anything regarding delivery of my set. I am just somewhat patiently waiting. Are you thinking of getting your set calibrated? Would love to see the set if that was possible.
All thing being equal, everyone would prefer a native 10bit panel, but really processing and color management are much more important. You would be hard pressed to tell the difference between true 10-bit and 8bit + Frame Rate Control. I haven't heard anyone mention any problems with banding in the other thread. In all likelihood this is the panel UMAX is using.

http://www.panelook.com/V850DK1-QS1 Rev.C4_Innolux_85_CELL_overview_26685.html
 

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All thing being equal, everyone would prefer a native 10bit panel, but really processing and color management are much more important. You would be hard pressed to tell the difference between true 10-bit and 8bit + Frame Rate Control. I haven't heard anyone mention any problems with banding in the other thread. In all likelihood this is the panel UMAX is using.

http://www.panelook.com/V850DK1-QS1 Rev.C4_Innolux_85_CELL_overview_26685.html
Yup, this was the panel I thought was being used. I too am not really concerned if the panel is true 10 bit or 8 bit plus FRC. Either way it should look great.
 

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All thing being equal, everyone would prefer a native 10bit panel, but really processing and color management are much more important. You would be hard pressed to tell the difference between true 10-bit and 8bit + Frame Rate Control. I haven't heard anyone mention any problems with banding in the other thread. In all likelihood this is the panel UMAX is using.

http://www.panelook.com/V850DK1-QS1 Rev.C4_Innolux_85_CELL_overview_26685.html

I agree, Sytech. I think native 10-bit vs 8-bit FRC is a non-issue as long as the TV has good software and a chipset to back it up.
 
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Still doing great for me picture wise.

Some issues I have though are with either Android TV, LeEco's implementation or the apps.

Kodi bogs down and have to force stop once in a while.

YouTube sometimes shows an empty YouTube screen. Normal YouTube home page for example, but no videos. Just blank red screen with the magnifying glass only in the upper left.

YouTube notifications keep popping up. I turned them off but they still show no matter what I am using.

Some other apps just won't start at all. Did reinstalls and same results. It is hard to imagine multiple apps being bad especially if they are made for Android TV.
 

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If anyone has a workaround for the (known) ARC issue, let me know. I'd rather not have to hard reboot the TV every time I want surround sound for Netflix.
 

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Is there something that makes us think this is the panel? I mean, how sure are we. I'd just like to be as accurate as possible.

Not many manufacturers of 85" MVA panels. Sony uses AUO. Samsung uses their own through co-op with China Star (CSOT). Everyone else mostly uses Innolux. They are the largest 85" supplier and the cheapest. As for that exact panel, when the orignal specs for the UMAX 85 leaked, they listed a 3000:1 to native contrast. Also, it is sold without a backlight unit, so Innolux or someone must be custom making the 448 zone 800 nit BLU for them.
 

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Not many manufacturers of 85" MVA panels. Sony uses AUO. Samsung uses their own through co-op with China Star (CSOT). Everyone else mostly uses Innolux. They are the largest 85" supplier and the cheapest. As for that exact panel, when the orignal specs for the UMAX 85 leaked, they listed a 3000:1 to native contrast. Also, it is sold without a backlight unit, so Innolux or someone must be custom making the 448 zone 800 nit BLU for them.
Yep. I think it's possible you're right. Until we hear otherwise from LeEco (or other reliable source), we kind of have to take their word for it being 10-bit. That's what they've said in the forums.
 

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Yep. I think it's possible you're right. Until we hear otherwise from LeEco (or other reliable source), we kind of have to take their word for it being 10-bit. That's what they've said in the forums.
If you notice on the top of the panelook page, it does say 10 bit. Probably meaning it can take a 10 bit signal and convert. I mean it is possible Innolux is making them a true 10 bit panel, but those are usually more expensive.
 

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If you notice on the top of the panelook page, it does say 10 bit. Probably meaning it can take a 10 bit signal and convert. I mean it is possible Innolux is making them a true 10 bit panel, but those are usually more expensive.
Another great observation. Unless I'm mistaken, it's only the chipset that is different in a 10-bit vs 8-bit+FRC.

I have no idea just how different the chipset would be or, indeed, if it's just a single chip. If the hardware is very similar, I'd imagine the same panel could be driven by different chipsets. This might, in turn, lead to panels being listed as 8-bit even though later versions have the newer 10-bit chipset.

I reckon we'll find out soon enough.
 

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Does anyone else have network connectivity issues? I have connected the TV via Ethernet, and, separately, WiFi. But in both instances the TV will lose network connection after I have been accessing the internet through the TV's apps (from 15 mins to an hour).

Its very frustrating because I have to turn the TV off and back on again each time.

Notably, when I switch to the same apps on my PS4, no connectivity issues (and I have never otherwise experienced these issues).
 

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I don't have network connectivity problem.
I have a screen problem. I received my Umax today and noticed a blue blob on the screen (see the attached images). Does anyone know what may be the cause of this? I plan to call LeEco service tomorrow.
 

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I don't have network connectivity problem.
I have a screen problem. I received my Umax today and noticed a blue blob on the screen (see the attached images). Does anyone know what may be the cause of this? I plan to call LeEco service tomorrow.
:eek:

Sorry to see that. Please keep us posted as to how LeEco handles this situation. As a prospective owner, their reaction will weigh heavily.
 

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Discussion Starter #19 (Edited)
Does anyone else have network connectivity issues? I have connected the TV via Ethernet, and, separately, WiFi. But in both instances the TV will lose network connection after I have been accessing the internet through the TV's apps (from 15 mins to an hour).

Its very frustrating because I have to turn the TV off and back on again each time.

Notably, when I switch to the same apps on my PS4, no connectivity issues (and I have never otherwise experienced these issues).
I have not had this issue. When I first went through set-up I connected to wi-fi. Later I ran the ethernet cable and I found I had to disable the wi-fi to activate the cable. I might be wrong about this, but it's possible that your TV is still using wi-fi and not using the cable at all. Try turning off the wi-fi and then activate the ethernet connection. Also, the ethernet activation is not instantaneous. It take a little while (1 minute?) for the DHCP and network handshaking to finish. Once it does, I get very fast speeds, though I haven't downloaded the SpeedTest app yet to check it.
 
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I don't have network connectivity problem.
I have a screen problem. I received my Umax today and noticed a blue blob on the screen (see the attached images). Does anyone know what may be the cause of this? I plan to call LeEco service tomorrow.
Yikes. Definitely not normal. I wonder if one of those stuck pixel videos on Youtube might help in this scenario?
 
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