[Frank555]

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Originally Posted by thepoohcontinuum From my understanding, there's only three 2010 models that are the champs of input lag right now... 1) LG xxLD450 (definitely 16-32ms) - proven via input lag tests. 2) Sony xxEX400 (*feels* like 16-32ms) - my friend uses the EX400 as a PC monitor. And although I didn't run any input lag measurements on it, the lag *felt* comparable to the LG. 3) Sony xxEX500 (20-40ms, debateable) - for the longest time, the EX500 has been said to have horrible input lag (see the Counterstrike video in the input lag wars thread, first post). However, serialmike has posted results to the contrary, showing 20-40 ms. If someone else can show similar results that serialmike has, then its probably safe to say the original hearsay of horrible lag is debunked. There are certainly more models out there where people claim input lag is undetectable. But its all anecdotal, without measured proof.

Hey thepoohcontinuum, I wanted to say thank you for the response. I do appreciate the info.

 

[ericpd]

Just bought the 42LD450 from Amazon. Great price,... $478 shipped. Got 2 questions. What's the difference between a 42LD400 and a 42LD450? And,... is there a huge visual lost in getting a 60Hz set instead of a 120Hz set? If what I'm missing is no more like trying to see the difference between dusk and dawn, well for the price I'm ok with the 450. However, if it's more like difference is more like night and day, then I'm wondering if the extra $105 would be worth going to the LD520. Thanks!

 

[thepoohcontinuum]



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Originally Posted by ericpd /forum/post/19552380


Just bought the 42LD450 from Amazon. Great price,... $478 shipped. Got 2 questions. What's the difference between a 42LD400 and a 42LD450? And,... is there a huge visual lost in getting a 60Hz set instead of a 120Hz set? If what I'm missing is no more like trying to see the difference between dusk and dawn, well for the price I'm ok with the 450. However, if it's more like difference is more like night and day, then I'm wondering if the extra $105 would be worth going to the LD520. Thanks!

You've probably already read Colmino's thread about the LD400 vs. LD450, but I'm going to post the link here in case others are wondering... link

 

[ericpd]

Yeah, I read his post, good info. It just left me walking away with some new questions. I now know the 400 is a newer model than the 450, I thought it was the other way around. And it's still up in the air whether one will replace the other. Hey look, I just feel fortunate to stumble across an opportunity to get the 42LD450 at Walmart's Black Friday 42LD400 price. At the time Amazon was also selling the 42LD520 for a very good price, I think for about a $70 jump,... price gap is significantly higher now. At the time I was considering buying the 42LD520 if the difference between a 60HZ and a 120Hz set was a big one. But after reading more reviews and watching a few YouTube reviews, I'm prolly better off sticking with the 42LD450 at the $478 price. Besides, I'm still not sure what the real difference is between the two refresh rates are and if they're visible to an untrained eye like mine.

 

[thepoohcontinuum]



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Originally Posted by ericpd /forum/post/19555138


Besides, I'm still not sure what the real difference is between the two refresh rates are and if they're visible to an untrained eye like mine.

There's generally only two advantages a 120Hz set has over a 60Hz set. First, you get a frame interpolation / motion smoothing capability. But in my opinion, frame interpolation gives an odd "feel" to shows and movies (aka soap opera effect), so this is a useless feature to me. Second, 60Hz has an issue with bluray 24p playback if the set has a really bad 3:2 pulldown engine. But after watching Avatar in its entirety on the LD450, I didn't experience any 24p judder problems, so the LD450 probably has a decent 3:2 pulldown engine*.


So in a nut shell, assuming you're not a crazy videophile, you made a good choice with the LD450 over the LD520/550/650

*Note: from what I've heard, shows with large expansive panning shots (ex. Planet Earth) is good material for testing 24p judder. But I don't have any of these blurays, so I can't say 100% certain that 24p judder isn't a problem on the LD450.

 

[ericpd]



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Originally Posted by thepoohcontinuum /forum/post/19555318


There's generally only two advantages a 120Hz set has over a 60Hz set. First, you get a frame interpolation / motion smoothing capability. But in my opinion, frame interpolation gives an odd "feel" to shows and movies (aka soap opera effect), so this is a useless feature to me. Second, 60Hz has an issue with bluray 24p playback if the set has a really bad 3:2 pulldown engine. But after watching Avatar in its entirety on the LD450, I didn't experience any 24p judder problems, so the LD450 probably has a decent 3:2 pulldown engine*.


So in a nut shell, assuming you're not a crazy videophile, you made a good choice with the LD450 over the LD520/550/650

*Note: from what I've heard, shows with large expansive panning shots (ex. Planet Earth) is good material for testing 24p judder. But I don't have any of these blurays, so I can't say 100% certain that 24p judder isn't a problem on the LD450.

Great, now that's what I more hoping to hear. So just having a 1080P set doesn't necessarily mean you're ready to go with Blu-Ray. Since we're on the topic, I'm a heart beat from picking up the entry LG player. Thought it might be a good match,... looks like it would give me a lot of the connectivity features of the LD550 Network model. I'm assuming this player teamed up with the new set will give us as much pleasure with Avatar as you seemed to have had. Any opinions on the player or advice? Appreciated!

http://www.amazon.com/LG-BD530-Netwo...0911076&sr=8-3

 

[Zardoz04]

Just picked up a 32LD450 from my local MicroCenter store (they priced-matched Amazon). It has the CUSWLHO, so looks like I got an IPS panel.


Still have to mess with the settings, but so far so good. Very happy with the purchase! My previous lcd was 26" so while it's not a huge leap in size, this is my very first non-computer lcd ever. It seemed like a good entry level one to get and from what people have said on here, it fits my needs perfectly. Many thanks for all the info in this thread.

 

[MatrixShadow]



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Originally Posted by wywern209 /forum/post/19551265


if its a 47" i think it is almost guaranteed to be IPS but if you want to be sure, do one of 2 things.

1. press the screen and see if there are ripples. If there are, then its not ips.


2.check box label thing for the "w".

I checked that and it didn't appear to ripple so I guess I have a IPS just on the back there was no sticker behind the grill and the label said 47ld450-UA this was a 47" display TV that I bought for 580 with 2 year warranty. They told me it was only up for two weeks and they had to put a different one up.

Who's settings is the best for the IPS panel type because I see there's a few different types of panels you can have for this model.

 

[thepoohcontinuum]



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Originally Posted by MatrixShadow /forum/post/19555951


Who's settings is the best for the IPS panel type because I see there's a few different types of panels you can have for this model.

I don't think there is a single unilateral "best" config, since a lot of it depends on your room lightning and your source material. For 100% PC usage and in a semi-dark room, I found these settings worked best for me...


Aspect Ratio: Just Scan

Energy Saving: Off

Picture Mode: ISF Expert1 (or Expert2)

Backlight: 70

Contrast: 63

Brightness: 74

HSharpess: 34

VSharpness: 53

Color: 60

Tint: G5

Dynamic Contrast: Off

Noise Reduction: Off

Digi Noise Reduction: Off

Black Level: Low

Real Cinema: Off (locked)

Color Gamut: BT709

Edge Enhancer: Off

xvYCC: Off (locked)

Expert Pattern: Off (locked)

Color Filter: Off

Color Temp: Cool

Gamma: 2.2

Method: 10 Point IRE

... rest are pbc's Day settings ( link )


Phase700B also seems to have decent settings too (although I've never tried them myself). You can find them here .

 

[blassster]

Question about the "just scan" mode. If I run something with a resolution of say 1280x720, will it display the picture as-is with a black border all around and without stretching/scaling it? Basically "just scan" means 1:1 pixel mapping, right? Couldn't find it in the thread but may have just missed it.


Thanks again. LD450 series seems perfect set for me.



EDIT: found it on LG's site. Just scan is indeed 1:1, as it should be

 

[thepoohcontinuum]



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Originally Posted by blassster /forum/post/19557721


Question about the "just scan" mode. If I run something with a resolution of say 1280x720, will it display the picture as-is with a black border all around and without stretching/scaling it? Basically "just scan" means 1:1 pixel mapping, right? Couldn't find it in the thread but may have just missed it.


Thanks again. LD450 series seems perfect set for me.



EDIT: found it on LG's site. Just scan is in fact 1:1, as it should be

In 'Just Scan' mode, 720p output from my computer fills the entire screen; no black bars at all. But then again, my video card and/or operating system could be doing something behind the scenes that's manipulating the signal somehow.

 

[blassster]



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Originally Posted by thepoohcontinuum /forum/post/19557798


In 'Just Scan' mode, 720p output from my computer fills the entire screen; no black bars at all. But then again, my video card and/or operating system could be doing something behind the scenes that's manipulating the signal somehow.

Interesting. I would think the PC's settings should leave it unaffected, if the TV is forcing it to "just scan" and LG states it's a 1:1 mapping.

 

[aceedkins]

Is there a way to center the picture when hooking my laptop to my 32ld450 via VGA? The picture is about an inch to the right, and I can't figure out a way to center the picture.

 

[jangaboo]

Screen-RGB PC


its an option on the main picture page, very bottom and there's an auto adjust in there that should do it


the option is greyed for my HDMI connection but it does show when i connect my laptop via VGA

 

[jangaboo]

natural picture mode was missing from all 2010 LG sets made in Q1-Q3 but seems to be propping up in Q4 sets like xxld460 http://www.lg.com/za/tv-audio-video/...tv-32LD460.jsp Picture Mode: 8 Modes (Vivid, Standard, Natural, Cinema, Sport, Game, Expert1, Expert2)


wonder how possible it is to release a firmware update for our sets to add this picture mode back in


my 2009 37LH30 has it and it displays colors much differently than other picture modes (skin tones more red pink instead of yellowish and other colors like green seem to pop out more)

 

[flammie]

I just got an 42LD450. It looks like the left and right sides of the tv, about 1" from each side are noticeably dimmer than the rest of the tv. Does anyone else have this issue? I looked straight on the edges just in case it was a viewing angle issue, but its still there. Unfortunately, I don't have a camera so I can't take a good picture of it.

 

[zoran0909]

Hi!

Could some of you owner please check where on the set itself is the panel type/product code. It's 2 letters followed by a dot and 7 more letters like:

ZA.AEUDLJI

AU.CUSDLUR

 

[wywern209]



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Originally Posted by zoran0909 /forum/post/19561759


Hi!

Could some of you owner please check where on the set itself is the panel type/product code. It's 2 letters followed by a dot and 7 more letters like:

ZA.AEUDLJI

AU.CUSDLUR

From the codes you posted, you have a VA panel. Not Ips. The panel can be checked by seeing what shape the pixels are with a macro shot. They should look like

 

[thepoohcontinuum]



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Originally Posted by flammie /forum/post/19561261


I just got an 42LD450. It looks like the left and right sides of the tv, about 1" from each side are noticeably dimmer than the rest of the tv. Does anyone else have this issue? I looked straight on the edges just in case it was a viewing angle issue, but its still there. Unfortunately, I don't have a camera so I can't take a good picture of it.

I think all CCFL LCDs exhibit this symptom to some degree (someone correct me if I'm wrong). So it is to be expected.


I only have the 32" size as reference, but yes, the screen border area is dimmer than the center of the screen. From my eyes, would I call it noticeable? Not really. But maybe the 42" and larger sizes exacerbates the issue.


For those that want to check it out, go to Menu->Picture->Expert Control->Color Temperature/Pattern and set it to Inner. That'll set the whole screen to a greyish white, which will help make this issue more noticeable.

 

[flammie]



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Originally Posted by thepoohcontinuum /forum/post/19562556


I think all CCFL LCDs exhibit this symptom to some degree (someone correct me if I'm wrong). So it is to be expected.


I only have the 32" size as reference, but yes, the screen border area is dimmer than the center of the screen. From my eyes, would I call it noticeable? Not really. But maybe the 42" and larger sizes exacerbates the issue.


For those that want to check it out, go to Menu->Picture->Expert Control->Color Temperature/Pattern and set it to Inner. That'll set the whole screen to a greyish white, which will help make this issue more noticeable.

Thanks for the information. I can't decide if I should return or try an exchange of the tv, since it seems somewhat common on lower end tvs. However, an older 37" Sanyo lcd I have doesn't show this issue, nor an ultrasharp 2209wa.