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I did not see this Thread started so i figured i would start it. I do not own one but i was looking at this model vs the LG xxPZ550 vs the Samsung PNxxD550 as they are all in the $900-$1000 range (for the 50/51" models)


I guess i could start it off with the basics then hopefully some owners will chime in.

http://hdguru.com/panasonic-proclaim...asma-tvs/4241/

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Panasonic changed the name of its plasma panels from Neo PDP to Neo Plasma.
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Panasonic’s improvements in its 2011 Neo plasma panels (found in its S, ST, GT and VT series products) will provide full motion resolution with 50% faster motion, (1200 pixels per second).....
About Rising Blacks and Floating Blacks
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Due to pending litigation, Panasonic US would not comment on these topics, however, in a meeting last week of European journalists with Panasonic executives, Andrew Everard of whathifi.com (link) writes Panasonic has eliminated the issue with their 2011 models. Here is the quote ” Oh and by the way – and for those who obsessively niggle at these things on forums worldwide – both the rising and floating black problems have been addressed, and are sorted in 2011 models. There’s now no black level shift to compensate for stabilising brightness levels after initial use…”
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proper 24p mode

Infinite Black2 panel that the step up models ST/GT have
 

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i picked up the s30 a couple days ago and i'm really having a hard time getting over how washed out this tv looks during the daytime. It looks awesome in the evening, but watching daytime sports on the weekends is not going to be very enjoyable.


I read in an first impressions thread that the st30 looked much better under light, is this true? Would it be worth $300 to make the switch? I don't plan to watch any 3d.. Should i go with a different brand altogether?


Sorry just looking for some opinions
 

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The ST30 has a much better panel (NeoPDP), and also has an excellent Anti-Reflective Filter (same panel and filter as on the GT30). Alternately, the S30 does not have any Anti-Reflective Filter at all, and it does not have the much better NeoPDP panel.


The ST30 also adds a Pro Settings menu in Custom mode with a lot more picture adjustment settings and adjustable gamma which makes it possible to accurately calibrate the TV without having to go into the Service Menu so that makes three very big advantages it has over the S30.


After comparing these two models in two different bright BB stores and also in one store with low light levels (Paul's TV), the picture quality difference between the two TVs was profound. The ST30 outperforms the S30 on every level for regular 2D viewing. I would gladly own an ST30, but i would not have an S30 in my home, especially considering that the ST30 is only a few hundred bucks more. And i have zero interest in 3D capability.
 

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The ST30 has a much better panel (NeoPDP), and also has an excellent Anti-Reflective Filter (same panel and filter as on the GT30.


Alternately, the S30 does not have any Anti-Reflective Filter, nor does it have the good NeoPDP panel.

to my knowledge its not called NeoPDP anymore its called "neo Plasma" . but yea, point well taken, as noted in the "notable missing features"


Guessing there are not many owners to this thing yet as everyone gets persuaded to get the ST30
 

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to my knowledge its not called NeoPDP anymore its called "neo Plasma" . but yea, point well taken, as noted in the "notable missing features"
Yeah i'm still stuck on the term they used in 2009 and 2010 (NeoPlasmaDisplayPanel) but the new shorter version does add new and improved technology over the previous years with better blacks, and better contrast. Neo Plasma it is



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Guessing there are not many owners to this thing yet as everyone gets persuaded to get the ST30
I just hate to see someone stop just short of getting a much better display for only $200-300 more. The extra enjoyment and performance you'll benefit from for the next several years is surely worth the extra money.


I like people to be happy with their new Plasmas and quite honestly the S30 (like the S2) is not really representative of how good a Plasma can look
 

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to me, the real question is , which one of these produce the best picture:


TC-PxxS30 vs LG xxPZ550 vs the Samsung PNxxD550.


I guess that could be a thread of its own one day. there doesn't seem to be any reviews out on any of these models yet.


I know i can drop down to 46" and get the Panny ST30 (and stay at $1K) and that will most likely beat out the lg pz550 and sammy d550 but then i could do the same for LG and sammy and get their step up models.
 

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while i would love to be able to upgrade to the ST30 etc.. but the extra 600 is just not doable at the moment and i dont want any extra bills (we are moving into our new house)..


so, i had to settle on getting two Panasonic 50 inch S30's.. upgrading the living room and my rec room tv's.


can anybody recommend break in period settings for this model? or link me to a basic break in guide for this type of plasma size? any help would awesome..


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can anybody recommend break in period settings for this model? or link me to a basic break in guide for this type of plasma size? any help would awesome..


thanks

If you are not going to get the set calibrated (changing things in the service menu to get the white balance closer to reference), then you don't need to really do a break-in or anything.


If you want to be on the safe side, I suggest you run your contrast at like 50 and for the first 100 hours or so, try to be safe and run full screen content (by zooming if needed) and avoid shows with static logos (ESPN ticker for instance or stations with obnoxious logos like the History Channel one) and of course go easy on gaming as some games have HUDS that can cause heavy image retention.
 

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Well, my st30 has been giving me alot of trouble now. I haven't had any for the first 50 or so hours... Now that it's over the 100 hour mark... I have been having color banding by the tons, line bleed and alot more brightness flux.


I bought a power conditioner... Just made the picture a bit sharper. Didn't fix anything else.


The funny thing about the Color banding... Is if I pause the movie on the spot where is all messed up and go to the menu and back out it fixes it for a few seconds. So, I have no idea what so ever why this is happening. I tryed different HDMI cables and all.


Line bleed is very bad. I can see it just watching movies. When I open up menu I can see the bar streek across the screen.


Plus the flux of the light changes can happen many times in 1 scene.


I have waited for a long time... To see if this would go away. It has not.


The color banding also seems to be making the TV put the green tint on things. After accessing the menu and going back out the color banding is gone for several seconds and so is the green tint.


Really thinking about returning this set now. Is a shame too since the picture does look nice when it is fuctioning.
 

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I got my 46s30 today, the only thing I wanted which is not there is analog audio out for my sound bar, tv is nice I am going to return my sharp quattron, could not all the problems with edge lit led flickering, there wre lot clouding on LCD set also,


I own 50 inch panny almost 3 years old now, I was debating to get 42gt25 from Costco but sales rep told me get the newer model as it better in pq and power consumption, it is bedroom set so viewing angle with LCD was a problem also, I will post my comments in few days, I will go through 100 hours break in first.


I wanted to get st30 but i thought s and ST30 are same panel, I would love those extra feature, i might change it to ST, i am not sure, it is a hassle to pack this set and bring back.


I thought about getting 42gt25 at Costco but 46 inch was appealing, hence s30, cost difference is around $200 for ST, i think it is worth the cost with extra feature.
 

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I got my 46s30 today, the only thing I wanted which is not there is analog audio out for my sound bar, tv is nice I am going to return my sharp quattron, could not all the problems with edge lit led flickering, there wre lot clouding on LCD set also,


I own 50 inch panny almost 3 years old now, I was debating to get 42gt25 from Costco but sales rep told me get the newer model as it better in pq and power consumption, it is bedroom set so viewing angle with LCD was a problem also, I will post my comments in few days, I will go through 100 hours break in first.


I wanted to get st30 but i thought s and ST30 are same panel, I would love those extra feature, i might change it to ST, i am not sure, it is a hassle to pack this set and bring back.


I thought about getting 42gt25 at Costco but 46 inch was appealing, hence s30, cost difference is around $200 for ST, i think it is worth the cost with extra feature.

Yah, I think that salesmen was just blowing smoke. The GT25 is a lot better then the S30, and, from what I've read, the same as the ST30, just the ST30 has AR and non-floating blacks.
 

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Should I get st30 then, I like those pro setting on st30, it also has swivel stand that s30 is missing, it was my fault not checking the specs closely, but this plasma smoke any edge lit LCD, I am returning one today, my wife wanted LCD, but after looking the pq of LCD she is ok with plasma, this plasma is very slick looking too.
 

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Anyone spotted a good review on the S30 series yet?


Actual TVs are just starting to show up here now, my first impression is in features and quality they are somewhere between last years S2 and G series, but lower priced than the S2.
 

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It is a very good set and is far better than any high priced led sets, I got one but I need to return it for couple reasons for st model, swivel and pro setting is worth extra, for budget conscious this best tv for price
 

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From what I've seen, I think the S30 looks really good and has less glare than the Sammy D550 which is a similar price point.
 

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From what I've seen, I think the S30 looks really good and has less glare than the Sammy D550 which is a similar price point.

Reflectivity on these two models is similar though, as neither of them have an anti-reflective screen and are both much more reflective than the next-level-up ST30 and D6500.


Something folks need to be aware of before choosing a TV for a bright sunny or well lit room.
 

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Bought the S30 at BB on a whim but wished I'd research a little more. I'm not terribly upset with this model as I just wanted a TV for my new home and needed something to put on top of my new 3D fireplace.


Plus, my dedicated Home Theater is located in the basement and I'm still enjoying my Pioneer 50" Kuro.


I'll have to look for proper settings for the Panny to see if I can get this thing looking respectable in Cinema mode.
 
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